Conference Call: Dr. Paul is Willing, Seeking Indications of His Support for 3rd Party Run

[ClydeCoulter]

lolz Yea, is anyone willing to take a guess at how many of Ron Paul social network followers are BOTS?

Yea, a shit load of 'em turned up all over the country, even in UCLA, did you see that? Darndest thing I ever did see

 

[RonPaulFever]

Some of you are living in a bit of a bubble. The average voter has no idea what happened at the RNC and doesn't really care.

In a bubble with blinders on and heads in the sand.

What's left of this forum has gone completely insane.

 

[pacelli]

So Ron Paul doesn't do facebook?

 

[MelissaCato]

Yeah well it's not helping matters that the PA GOP wants to boot Gary Johnson off the ballot. We need to know what Ron Paul wants to do because Gary's going to need help staying on the ballot Pennsylvania - without delay if Ron Paul is his VEEP.

 

[presence]

Some of you are living in a bit of a bubble. The average voter has no idea what happened at the RNC and doesn't really care.

Do you think everyone knew about the tea floating in Boston Harbor the following week?

How many non-GOPites switched to GOP for Paul?

That same crew would switch to Libertarian to support a Paul/Johnson or Johnson/Paul.... sure we'd all prefer Paul 1st.

But does it really matter? Is it about winning? Is it about Paul in the White House?

Or is it about giving people

a message

they're willing to step in the booth and vote for?

If Paul quits now he leaves a tidal wave of:

Disenfranchised
Apathetic
F-Politics
F-Lesser of two evils
Vote Boycotting
Protest Voting
Fractured and Scattered
Uninspired
Hedgebetting
We Knew it could never happen...
QUITTERS

If Paul quits now, the Establisment played Paul = FAIL
If Paul rides the RNC coat tails, jumps off and keeps running:

Paul played the Establisment = HERO

Its better to ride this one to the bitter end a martyr, than to quit while there is still a window.

Give the people a reason to vote.

The liberty movement is LOST and BEATEN in the presidential election without some type of PAUL choice.


JOHNSON/PAUL with 10% or better in the General Election = LIBERTY WIN

unity,

presence

 

[presence]

while I'm ranting...

It doesn't matter if he's done wrong or right. I don't care about or understand the details.

Benton needs to go. Force resignation.

A large # of the grassroots have spoken:

They don't like him.
They don't trust him.
He has become a distraction.
A source of factions and disunity.

Politely offer a resignation package. Apologize to Benton. Apologize to your supporters.

Disconnect. Clean house.

Move on to the General Election with the Johnson team.

A leader can give up anything except final responsibility.


presence

 

[Matt Collins]

And still people come on these forums and just piss all over their fellow supporters, insulting them, crushing hope like they're paid to do it.

False hope is worse than no hope because it sets people up for a big let down.

 

[Matt Collins]

"What is his name? When did he speak with Ron? What did Ron say exactly, directly quoteable?"

It's a fellow from Alaska who somehow has RP's home phone number after working on the "DVD for Delegates" project four years ago. RP didn't say anything to him that he hasn't said before about non-major party bids but unfortunately he took it to meaning "So there's still a chance..." and ran with it. Ron's inability to give a direct, definite answer (not mention his Leno show appearance) allows for this kind of stuff to happen.

Exactly. This is someone starting rumors, erronously extrapoliting out Dr. Paul's words, and pushing their own agenda on Dr. Paul and the movement.

No authority has said anything of the such, and in fact Doug Wead has counter claimed this through Israel Anderson. Having worked very closely with Doug over the last year I know him and Israel chat somewhat frequently so I trust what he says Doug told him to be accurate.

 

[sailingaway]

Exactly. This is someone starting rumors, erronously extrapoliting out Dr. Paul's words, and pushing their own agenda on Dr. Paul and the movement.

No authority has said anything of the such, and in fact Doug Wead has counter claimed this through Israel Anderson. Having worked very closely with Doug over the last year I know him and Israel chat somewhat frequently so I trust what he says Doug told him to be accurate.

Actually, it was YOU, pushing that 'what is Ron going to announce on Leno' thread that started this forum down that route.

And to presence, no, Johnson/paul wouldn't do because Ron would be going backwards, that would be a DROP from where he is, and the whole point of him doing it would be to get Ron into the Presidential debates. It would get Gary into the VP debates if that happens, whereas now Gary is polling at 1% in Rasmussen, and won't be in any. However, I'm getting the impression the LP was dangling pres or VP only to get us to focus on them, and that there is no institutional drive to actually take Ron as President to actually get into the debates and get a much higher vote share and profile from more expensive ads etc. And I just don't know if the pieces can come together soon enough without that.

 

[Matt Collins]

Actually, it was YOU, pushing that 'what is Ron going to announce on Leno' thread that started this forum down that route.

No, I made no declaratory statements in that thread. I simply asked what people thought he was going to say? It is just squawk or chatter, nothing meaningful in that thread, just a bunch of water cooler discussion, fluff.

 

[sailingaway]

No, I made no declaratory statements in that thread. I simply asked what people thought he was going to say? It is just squawk or chatter, nothing meaningful in that thread, just a bunch of water cooler discussion, fluff.

You stirred up the whole thing by calling for speculation when no one was expecting an announcement at all. That opens up 'wish list' speculation and has blown up over and over and over when you do that, with people upset and angry when any announcement wasn't announced by the campaign rightfully because it wasn't worth an announcement.

 

[Athan]

If he really is taking the temprature, then hell yes! I'm all for it! I'm already voting for the Libertarian candidate. I want him to be that candidate all respect to future 2012 VP Gary Johnson.

 

[wgadget]

You stirred up the whole thing by calling for speculation when no one was expecting an announcement at all. That opens up 'wish list' speculation and has blown up over and over and over when you do that, with people upset and angry when any announcement wasn't announced by the campaign rightfully because it wasn't worth an announcement.

Matt Collins guilty as charged.

 

[Matt Collins]

You stirred up the whole thing by calling for speculation when no one was expecting an announcement at all. That opens up 'wish list' speculation and has blown up over and over and over when you do that, with people upset and angry when any announcement wasn't announced by the campaign rightfully because it wasn't worth an announcement.

Obviously he has something to say, why else would he be going on Leno?

 

[Merk]

I'm up for donating more to Ron in a third party run if he dumps Jesse Benton as Campaign Manager and brings on Wead.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1007-it-is-time-for-the-ron-paul-revolution-to-move-beyond-politics

Arrival at Paulfest revealed immediate conflicts between the Ron Paul campaign and its base support. Certain Ron Paul staff (namely the infamous Jesse Benton) had been going out of their way to stiff and in some cases sabotage the event despite Ron Paul’s words of appreciation to those involved. Benton has had a long track record of venom against Ron Paul’s base supporters, which he referred to as “big fringe elements” in texts to potential speakers including Peter Schiff, to persuade them from partaking in the festival:

Benton has on numerous occasions kicked out alternative news journalists from Ron Paul events in a move to sterilize the press box. When the RNC deliberately buried states with large Ron Paul delegate counts in the bleachers at the back of the building where television cameras would not notice them, complaints to the GOP and the campaign abounded, and an audit of the RNC was even called for. Yet, Benton responded snidely, saying:

“I am glad so many of our delegates get to sit close together.”

It has become clear that Benton and others have been “handling” Ron Paul for a considerable portion of his campaign and attempting to divorce him from the elements of the movement which are seen as “extreme” or anti-establishment, even though these are the same elements that catapulted Ron Paul into the minds of average Americans. My impression is that they have been targeted for surgical removal because they are impossible to co-opt for the purposes of diplomacy (submission) with the Neo-Con elites running the GOP carnival.

 

[Shane Harris]

What is the purpose of this?

 

[steph3n]

But WE know and that's what matters.

Frankly, unless you have a billion dollars to throw at a pac to make it matter, no it doesn't matter one but what you think or know, it won't influence enough to make a difference nationally.

 

[BSU kid]

It's too late for Ron to run third party most places anyways, this is getting ridiculous.

 

[libertylastchance]

You must been waiting in the bushes to attack.. seriously YOU don't know who Israel is??? And we should believe you over him...... What is wrong with this picture

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

My time is slightly more valuable. Can someone please answer the questions in my previous post?

Answer your own question. The name and position of the organizer who had the conversation is stated clearly in the very first paragraph of the post. I could say it again but I don't have time for people who don't even read the post before commenting.