Common Core teaching thug life

[LibertyEagle]

Didn't all people have a heart attack when Catcher in the Rye was required reading?

The real issue is that forced public schooling does not work and should be dissolved; it is simply a place to turn out compliant factory workers.

This stuff is just a distraction. Everyone will run around with their hands in the air and when it is tamed or taken out, then they will be satisfied with horrible public schools once more.

I don't think you have been keeping up with the plethora of UN-generated education programs. School-to-work, Outcome-based education, No child left Behind, Goals 2000 and now, Common Core.

This stuff is being heaped on us for a reason and it has been working. Americans have been dumbed down. All that is left is completely unraveling our society.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about public schools and this is one of the reasons.

 

[Ender]

I don't think you have been keeping up with the plethora of UN-generated education programs. School-to-work, Outcome-based education, No child left Behind, Goals 2000 and now, Common Core.

This stuff is being heaped on us for a reason and it has been working. Americans have been dumbed down. All that is left is completely unraveling our society.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about public schools and this is one of the reasons.

Of course I have kept up- I am deeply involved with private education and freedom in learning.

"Stuff" has been heaped on the public for generations- people get mad, then get used to it, then think it's normal. Almost all history taught is false- math is antiquated, as is English. Yet we extol these, as taught in the public system, because we now think that they are truth.

The answer is to get rid of public ed- especially forced learning. This is NOT learning but simply what I call the regurgitation system. Take it in, burp it out for a test, forget it.

This is NOT close to real education, so why support any of it?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Of course I have kept up- I am deeply involved with private education and freedom in learning.

"Stuff" has been heaped on the public for generations- people get mad, then get used to it, then think it's normal. Almost all history taught is false- math is antiquated, as is English. Yet we extol these, as taught in the public system, because we now think that they are truth.

The answer is to get rid of public ed- especially forced learning. This is NOT learning but simply what I call the regurgitation system. Take it in, burp it out for a test, forget it.

This is NOT close to real education, so why support any of it?

I cannot believe you are arguing that being able to read, write or do arithmetic is antiquated.

 

[RockEnds]

Of course I have kept up- I am deeply involved with private education and freedom in learning.

"Stuff" has been heaped on the public for generations- people get mad, then get used to it, then think it's normal. Almost all history taught is false- math is antiquated, as is English. Yet we extol these, as taught in the public system, because we now think that they are truth.

The answer is to get rid of public ed- especially forced learning. This is NOT learning but simply what I call the regurgitation system. Take it in, burp it out for a test, forget it.

This is NOT close to real education, so why support any of it?

Common Core is past the pale as is teaching cocksucking to 9-year-olds. There's a line, and people instinctively understand where it is drawn. The goal of common core is to do exactly what has been done on this thread, to redefine moral authority. The new morality is to intimidate and demean people who have common morality. Orwell would be so proud! And while they're doing this, they're tagging anyone who objects for religious reasons as a potential terrorist--just like our forefathers who were also terrorists.

This is not yesterday's game. This is Common Core.

 

[Ender]

I cannot believe you are arguing that being able to read, write or do arithmetic is antiquated.

Learn to READ.

I said the methods in which they are taught in public school are ANTIQUATED.

And, it is interesting that that is all you got out of what I posted- speaks volumes for public ed.

 

[Ender]

Common Core is past the pale as is teaching cocksucking to 9-year-olds. There's a line, and people instinctively understand where it is drawn. The goal of common core is to do exactly what has been done on this thread, to redefine moral authority. The new morality is to intimidate and demean people who have common morality. Orwell would be so proud! And while they're doing this, they're tagging anyone who does this for religious reasons as a potential terrorist--just like our forefathers who were also terrorists.

This is not yesterday's game. This is Common Core.

So, maybe now people will actually take some action instead of thinking that public schools "educate'.

 

[moostraks]

I cannot believe you are arguing that being able to read, write or do arithmetic is antiquated.

Many say handwriting is considered unnecessary. Just wait for when they start signing contracts with an x again. This is why we homeschool. My children will not learn according to the latest fad in education.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Learn to READ.

I said the methods in which they are taught in public school are ANTIQUATED.

And, it is interesting that that is all you got out of what I posted- speaks volumes for public ed.

You should take some of your own medicine. I told you at the outset that I didn't support public schools.

 

[Ender]

You should take some of your own medicine. I told you at the outset that I didn't support public schools.

Then tell me what I said- instead of defending public education.

 

[Ender]

Many say handwriting is considered unnecessary. Just wait for when they start signing contracts with an x again. This is why we homeschool. My children will not learn according to the latest fad in education.

Handwriting is very necessary- helps connect the brain.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So, maybe now people will actually take some action instead of thinking that public schools "educate'.

Question. Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

Public schools aren't going to be ended overnight, as much as I would prefer that they were. So, in my opinion, it is crucial that we fight these UN programs, while doing our best to encourage homeschooling and private schooling.

 

[Ender]

Question. Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?

Public schools aren't going to be ended overnight, as much as I would prefer that they were. So, in my opinion, it is crucial that we fight these UN programs, while doing our best to encourage homeschooling and private schooling.

And you will fail, because like most Americans you will fight a small battle but lose the war.

 

[RockEnds]

So, maybe now people will actually take some action instead of thinking that public schools "educate'.

Maybe. I really love our home school assistance program. The teacher is my cousin. I like the way she thinks. But I'm considering going it alone because of common core. I have a couple other family members who are recently retired teachers, and they're pretty shocked at the program. Maybe more people will wake up. I don't know. I don't feel it's something that should be quietly accepted, though.

 

[Ender]

Maybe. I really love our home school assistance program. The teacher is my cousin. I like the way she thinks. But I'm considering going it alone because of common core. I have a couple other family members who are recently retired teachers, and they're pretty shocked at the program. Maybe more people will wake up. I don't know. I don't feel it's something that should be quietly accepted, though.

Go for it. Teach your children their interests; let them become good in one thing. And then watch as they blossom into eternal learners. It is amazing.

 

[RockEnds]

Go for it. Teach your children their interests; let them become good in one thing. And then watch as they blossom into eternal learners. It is amazing.

I do that now. It's just nice to have the resources and social interaction provided through the homeschool assistance program. But Iowa recently changed the law. Beginning this year, all I am required to do is report that we homeschool. And I could move across the line to Missouri where I don't even have to report that. Todd's making the Ozarks sound pretty good.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Go for it. Teach your children their interests; let them become good in one thing. And then watch as they blossom into eternal learners. It is amazing.

I think that's a great idea, Ender. But, I think fighting the other is important too. If just 2 women can throw out one of these programs in a state, it's not like it's not possible to do all over.

 

[tod evans]

Holy hell dude, you just discredited yourself when you compared rap to disco. Disco was around for like 3 or 4 years before it died, hip hop has been around since around the time disco started, and there were some variations even before disco, but I'd put it at a solid 30+ years.

Discredited myself with whom?

I didn't claim to like or pay attention to either, in fact I specifically stated that I didn't care for disco or rap...

It may not imitate life in your circles, but who cares?

Why I do of course, that's why I brought it up.

I daydream all the time about living out in the woods on a huge property, I hate the city, but humanity is beautiful and humanity can be ugly, but the portrayal of both the positive and the negative is just a shared experience which is what life is all about.

Good for you it's a good thing to have aspirations.

Please try to understand that most folks who live out in the country hate the city too and for that reason we are very skeptical about city folk bringing their bad habits with them if they try and move to the country..We have our own troubles out here in the sticks and I for one would really appreciate it if you kept your troubles in the city.
You're of course welcome to come and enjoy country life just don't expect country folks to adapt to city behavior.

You may not be a big fan of Molyneux, but one thing he is right about and why more Christians should be promoting him is because he believes that humans need to strive to be more empathetic. He employs strategies on self improvement and raising children with the end goal of making more people more empathetic. Honestly, I can't think of anybody who represents empathy more than Jesus, which is a little ironic that so many Christians here hate him (though I'm sure there are plenty who are fans as well). But the point is, the ghetto is a place that is generally surrounded by negativity but the beauty of humanity glows through hip hop in ways that other music does not.

It's not my place to speak for other Christians and I certainly am not the person to tell them what they should do.
I have listened to Mr.Molyneux since I first heard of him on this board and like most folks he has some ideas I agree with and others I don't.
One in particular I happen to disagree with him on is child rearing, he's free to raise his child however he wants but I'll not tolerate him or anyone else trying to tell me how to raise mine.

Not to mention, hip hop is not one person or one voice. There are thousands of people and thousands of voices - they are all telling stories and waxing intellectual. Some of it is really outstanding.

Okay, I'm sure you believe that.

Understand that I do not want my child subjected to your version of "telling stories and waxing intellectual", there is a cultural barrier that I will not forego.

I'm guessing that as soon as you hear anything that sounds like hip hop your brain shuts down and has already decided you don't like it. That's no way to live, imo.

It may be "no way for you to live" it works just fine for me.

I'm not interested in indoctrinating your children with my ideas of proper storytelling or my ideas of intellectual discussion suitable for their class room.

Why is it that you find it necessary to push yours on mine?

I'm also curious what "culture" is being pushed on you when you listen to hip hop? I can listen to country music without line dancing or even putting on boots. In fact, I don't think I've ever worn cowboy boots, but I can still listen to country music, right?

You may listen to whatever you like, you may let your child listen to whatever you find appropriate. You and your kid may wear whatever footwear you like.

Why do you want to tell me what you think is appropriate for my child?

 

[tod evans]

The answer is to get rid of public ed- especially forced learning. This is NOT learning but simply what I call the regurgitation system. Take it in, burp it out for a test, forget it.

This is NOT close to real education, so why support any of it?

I do not advocate for any type of centralized school system.

In fact my choice would be to have community based curriculums paid for locally, taught with local people that were free and clear of all federal influence.

Everything government gets involved in it fucks up, everything!

 

[dannno]

You're of course welcome to come and enjoy country life just don't expect country folks to adapt to city behavior.

What does listening to rap have to do with city behavior? I said before that 95% of my friends listen to an enjoy hip hop, yet none of them participate in anything remotely similar to what is often discussed in the songs with regard to urban violence and such. I could live in Alaska and listen to hula music or I could live in the tropics and listen to some dude yodling up in the mountains - I can empathize and share their experiences in a different way than actually participating or adopting those practices. In fact, by doing all of this exploring, people of different cultures can begin to better understand each other and this can resolve future conflict.

I am guessing you have very little or no empathy for people who are born and grow up in urban areas. Do you realize you could have just as easily been born in inner-city Los Angeles? Are people who live in the country 'better' than people who live in the city, or were they born there and they are a product of being raised in that environment?

Does listening to rap increase the amount of people who move to the inner city and become gangsters? I really don't think so..

 

[tod evans]

I am guessing you have very little or no empathy for people who are born and grow up in urban areas. Do you realize you could have just as easily been born in inner-city Los Angeles? Are people who live in the country 'better' than people who live in the city, or were they born there and they are a product of being raised in that environment?

Your assumptions regarding my upbringing are wrong..

I was born in a city, a large one as a matter of fact, my father moved our family to the country just as I hit puberty..

I was stationed at NRMCGLAKES and as a young man bounced back and forth between city money and country tranquility before I realized I belong in the sticks.

No group of people are "better" than any other, what a ridiculous question..

As for empathy for city folks..........I have empathy for people who live where they don't want to, that works for folks who are in the country and want to be citified as well as vice-versa..

Frankly I could care less about what music you listen to, where I take issue is when you or anyone else tries to teach my child that language and behavior such as has been depicted in this thread is normal or acceptable in a public setting such as a school.

Were you to bring a child raised in the manners described to the local park to play with the other kids he/she would undoubtedly be frog-marched to you by an irate parent. If you found his/her behavior acceptable and told the irate parent as much there's a good chance you'd be put in your place...

Why would you, or anyone, want to subject a child to that?

There are cultural differences between city folks and country folks, one's not "better" than the other but who in their right mind tries to push their ideas of acceptability/morality on a group who disagrees?

There's a big difference between an adult doing something and that adult teaching another persons child the same thing.

I would no more teach your child how to gut a deer against your wishes than I would permit you to expose my child to the ideas that have been depicted in this thread...