Common Core teaching thug life

[tod evans]

Young lady who's learned to "suck it tight" ....

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

fake money

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/15/music-media-hiphop-biz-media-cz_zog_0818cashkings.html

Tupac... pulled in... this year... about $15 million–even though he’s been dead for over 10 years.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Kid learning about making money in real life;

Monsanto protege.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

good sex

I hadn't meant to get into the difference between good sex and bad sex.

I know this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone's child grows to be a wannabe street punk.

Do you assume all "gangster rap" is about being a "punk"?

 

[RockEnds]

I hadn't meant to get into the difference between good sex and bad sex.



Do you assume all "gangster rap" is about being a "punk"?

Have you watched the little middle class white kids walking around, trying to be all ghetto? What would you call them exactly? Ninety-nine percent of them wouldn't survive five minutes on the street, but you're right in that there are some who buy this stuff. They think they're bad ass rebellious, and only give it up when they get tired of hanging out with people who steal their CDs. Just understand that not everyone's children go through that stage.

 

[moostraks]

As long as schools are dictated by the majority, you don't get to decide the purpose of schools.



Says you, but not the market.



Can't read, write, or do arithmetic if you're being beaten down by police; and the the Tupac songs I quoted don't teach how to be felons, they teach self-defense against felons.

You have an interesting perspective on who the market is and what the market has to say about things. Since property owners are taxed for this I'd say they should be the ones with a voice on the subject. Also included should be anyone who is paying a property tax through their rent payments being inflated to cover the owners costs. The government mandating this type of curriculum is not the same as a free market choice but I fathom you know that and are just attention seeking.

Schools are not being dictated by the majority but by a certain tireless minority with a horrible agenda for the future and the money and connections to implement their plan.

If you can't read, write, or do arithmetic then you will be screwed harder by these same folks doing the beating. They won't even have to pull a gun to have you sign away everything if you are that illiterate. Furthermore it takes knowledge of more than how to rhyme (which incidentally is part of any good literature program) to be successful even as a rapper with a story to tell. A school of excellent quality would also have a fine arts program to benefit your budding entrepeneur but seems as if that has not been mentioned yet.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Just understand that not everyone's children go through that stage.

I do understand that, even if you don't understand how lucrative the gangster-rap industry (and porn) is.

 

[RockEnds]

I do understand that, even if you don't understand how lucrative the gangster-rap industry (and porn) is.

Well, you were being overly bitter in that particular post I responded to. I'm not sure how lucrative any career can be when the life expectancy is under 30. And I'm exaggerating with that figure, but not by much. Live hard, die young might be fun. I rather expected it myself. But I think lucrative is the wrong word. Hey, it's a free country. Sorta. I'll be the last person to stand in your way.

But back to the point of the post, I'm a Seger kinda gal, myself. Yet I wouldn't want this song taught in 4th grade. Would you? The genre isn't the point. The point is that the government doesn't have any business glorifying this stuff to 4th graders. Check it out. As soon as class is over, and they try this stuff, the same government will come and haul them away for it. Set up and knocked down. Ouch.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

If you can't read, write, or do arithmetic then you will be screwed....

I thought teaching children to read, without boring them to sleep with drivel about farms and Officer-Friendly, was the point of the reference to Twista?

Our children need to be taught the basics; reading, writing and arithmetic.

Says you, but not the market.

You have an interesting perspective on who the market is and what the market has to say about things. Since property owners are taxed for this I'd say they should be the ones with a voice on the subject. Also included should be anyone who is paying a property tax through their rent payments being inflated to cover the owners costs. The government mandating this type of curriculum is not the same as a free market choice....

Schools are not being dictated by the majority but by a certain tireless minority with a horrible agenda for the future and the money and connections to implement their plan.

My point was not about the education supplied by the pseudo-market; my point was about the skills demanded by the market.

I fathom you... are just attention seeking.

This is what happens when you try to fathom.

 

[tod evans]

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/15/music-media-hiphop-biz-media-cz_zog_0818cashkings.html

Amature,

Here's forbes with a couple of known land/cattlemen;

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/14/ted-turner-john-malone-emmerson-business-billionaires-land.html

Or we could stick with performers.... Here's a list for you....

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/richest-rock-lead-singers-world/

The abject failure of this icon of rappery in the face of real musicians, especially financially, is funny, yet you hold him out as a paragon of intellect that children should emulate?

Real money doesn't flash it, real class doesn't brag and in my world real men teach their children manners and respect..

But really I'm all for ya'll paying your own way to teach your kids however you'd like.

I don't want your money to fund my kids education, please show me the same respect.

 

[tod evans]

Monsanto protege.

Bullshit.

Young kid at 4-H doesn't equate to a "Monsanto protege" any more than some young intercity child equates to "Criminal"...

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Well, you were being overly bitter in that particular post I responded to.

The stuff that gets called "vile filth" sells well, and very much to the children of the people who call it "vile filth". I don't know how I can recognize that truth without being called bitter, etc.

I'm not sure how lucrative any career can be when the life expectancy is under 30. And I'm exaggerating with that figure, but not by much. Live hard, die young might be fun. I rather expected it myself. But I think lucrative is the wrong word. Hey, it's a free country. Sorta. I'll be the last person to stand in your way.

Entertainers getting assassinated at the age of 25 is the exception not the norm.

Yet I wouldn't want this song taught in 4th grade. Would you?

Yes.

The point is that the government doesn't have any business glorifying this stuff to 4th graders.

The government has just as little business glorifying reading, writing, and arithmetic; but you don't seem to get that?

As soon as class is over, and they try this stuff, the same government will come and haul them away for it. Set up and knocked down. Ouch.

But you can teach that too. I never suggested children should be taught about sex or self-defense without being taught about the untoward consequences. Gangster rap addresses self-defense where reading, writing, arithmetic, and Seger do not.

 

[RockEnds]

The stuff that gets called "vile filth" sells well, and very much to the children of the people who call it "vile filth". I don't know how I can recognize that truth without being called bitter, etc.



Entertainers getting assassinated at the age of 25 is the exception not the norm.



I am sorry to hear that. Country music, and country music that pretends to be rock, is awful.



I would should them the video, but without the sound of the country-music because it is obscene.



The government has just as little business glorifying reading, writing, and arithmetic either; but you don't seem to get that.



But you can teach that too. I never suggested children should be taught about sex or self-defense without being taught about the untoward consequences. Gangster rap addresses self-defense where reading, writing, arithmetic, and Seger do not.

So how lucrative is a career in setting up 4th graders?

 

[RockEnds]

The stuff that gets called "vile filth" sells well, and very much to the children of the people who call it "vile filth". I don't know how I can recognize that truth without being called bitter, etc.



Entertainers getting assassinated at the age of 25 is the exception not the norm.



I am sorry to hear that. Country music, and country music pretending to be rock, is awful.



I would show them the video, but without the sound of the country-music because it is obscene.



The government has just as little business glorifying reading, writing, and arithmetic; but you don't seem to get that?



But you can teach that too. I never suggested children should be taught about sex or self-defense without being taught about the untoward consequences. Gangster rap addresses self-defense where reading, writing, arithmetic, and Seger do not.

I tried to leave you with a song. I couldn't find it. I thought you might like that CIA song. You know, that one song? I googled it, and all I got were hits for gangster rap, a link saying that the song title was classified, and something about federal agents disseminating information that Thomas Jefferson is a terrorist. Serious. Google it.

So, I got to thinking about your point on the relationship between songs and self-defense in public education. Maybe you have a point. Imma gonna go down and make sure this gets on the common core curriculum here.

 

[moostraks]

This is heresy, as it goes beyond reading, writing, arithmetic, and horses & cows.



Can't gangster-rap without rhythm. Filthy Tupac studied ballet with its sinister gyrations.



I thought teaching children to read, without boring them to sleep with drivel about farms and Officer-Friendly, was the point of the reference to Twista?



My point was not about the education supplied by the pseudo-market; my point was about the skills demanded by the market.



This is what happens when you try to fathom.

Your point seemed to have been that rap was being taught because of its importance in the market of ideas. It is being taught because of a captive audience is being indoctrinated to behave in a certain manner. Your so called free market motivation is not the motivator for this presentation to this age group.

 

[Zippyjuan]

This thread makes me want to get an Uzi and some hos. Any Homies wanna chill at my crib? (can one question encourage kids to become Gangsta?)

 

[tod evans]

This goes here;

Sixth-Graders learn about all about Jay-Z, Big Pimpin’

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...arn-about-jay-z-big-pimpin/?intcmp=latestnews

Students at a Southaven, Miss. middle school were educated in the “Big Pimpin’” thug life of Jay-Z, and the school district can’t imagine why anyone would object to lessons on reading, writing and rapping.

Sixth graders at Desoto Central Middle School spent three days learning about one of the most successful hip-hop artists and entrepreneurs in the nation. They were also tested on their knowledge about Jay-Z’s “resilience.”

A parent, who had a son in the English class, reached out to me – and she’s fired up. The mad mom asked to remain anonymous over fears of repercussions. I was able to verify her claims and have agreed to provide anonymity.

“One of the songs listed on the paper that was brought home was ‘Big Pimpin’,” she told me. “Another song talked about thug life. My child was getting an education about thug life.”

She could not believe that her child was learning about a man who sings songs that degrade women and glorify the thug life.

“When he pulled out the paper in his backpack in the car, I called my husband right then,” she told me. “I was furious. We talked about it until late that night. My husband was about to blow his top.”

It’s really unfortunate that the school superintendent won’t talk to me about the assignment. I’d love to hear his side of the story.
I called the principal to get his side of the story, but he said he didn’t want to talk to me. Instead, he referred me to the superintendent’s office.

No answer.

Eventually, I was told to contact their official spokesperson.

The spokesperson told me she could not understand why Fox News was interested in a simple classroom assignment. She said she would send an official statement but declined to go on the record. I’m still waiting for the “official statement.”

The child’s parents had a similar experience. They contacted the school – hoping to get some answers. Instead, they got the brush-off.

“They made it sound like it was no big deal,” the mom told me. “They said the point of the assignment was because Jay-Z is successful.”

She said one school official even chimed in that the rapper owns a professional sports team.

“I asked him what that had to do with anything,” the parent told me. “Let’s talk about somebody that is a success that has done good things – not thug life things.”

Using the school’s logic, the mom wondered why the school doesn’t assign lessons on Hugh Hefner or Larry Flynt.

“Either way, it’s all the same,” she said.

She said the same school official told her that no matter who they assigned the kids to learn about – that person would have something negative in their past.

“We are conservative,” she said. “We are Christian. And this was brought into my house. That’s why I was so furious. It was a moral issue.”

The little boy’s father was so livid that the school brushed off his wife he decided to write a letter to the school district:

“The page sent home was an eye-opener and I refuse to have my son subjected to today’s version on what should be accepted as okay and normal without knowing the facts,” the dad wrote.

“The facts are this page represented this thug in a positive way and calls him successful. Success to me doesn’t mean demeaning women, glorifying drugs and violence and flaunting money. Success should be about living decent and having respect for themselves and others.”

And to put an exclamation point on his reasoning, the dad included the lyrics to a Jay-Z song. I’d love to share some of those lyrics with you – but I’ve got standards. Let’s just say, Jay-Z has an affinity for the F-word and the B-word.

Heather Fox is not surprised to learn about the three-day Jay-Z lecture at the middle school. She runs a Facebook page called “Desoto County Reform” – an online gathering place for parents concerned about the school district.

“Hopefully we can address the issues that most people are afraid to address out loud,” she told me. “The school district is not happy about our website.”

“We know there are students at the high school who’ve had to read explicit books,” she said. “And now we know about the Jay-Z class.”

Fox said the sixth grade assignment was not age appropriate.

“A lot of the kids don’t know anything about the things that surround Jay-Z – it’s something that a lot of parents are concerned about,” Fox said. “Why make them exposed to it at such an early age?”

It’s really unfortunate that the school superintendent won’t talk to me about the assignment. I’d love to hear his side of the story. But the school district’s silence makes me a bit suspicious.

If there’s nothing wrong with the assignment, what’s there to hide? Why brush off a concerned parent who has a valid concern about what her child is learning?

The mom told me the school made a “bad, bad choice” – and now she and her husband are about to make a choice.

“It really makes me want to either send him to a private school or homes school,” she said.

 

[RockEnds]

This thread makes me want to get an Uzi and some hos. Any Homies wanna chill at my crib? (can one question encourage kids to become Gangsta?)

It's an old trick. Hey, look at me. I'm cool. And the police. Let's hang. I'll teach you all I know, then send you to jail where I'll teach you not to be so damned gullible.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Our children need to be taught the basics; reading, writing and arithmetic.

Says you, but not the market.

...

... my point was about the skills demanded by the market.

Your point seemed to have been....

My point in that post was not about rap; my point was about "reading, writing, and arithmetic": three words which were dictated above by LibertyEagle, but not by any free market.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

taught about the untoward consequences

So how lucrative is a career in setting up 4th graders?

Huh? Why don't you address that to an overprotective parent, because their children are the ones who end up in L.A. as adults, performing in gangster-rap videos, and other kinds of videos.