"Come to Jesus" meeting with the Rand Paul supporters. Have you forgotten?

It should also be noted that no candidates have spent any serious money yet. All the poll results are based on prior name recognition and media time.
 
eleganz said:
Ron is exciting if you want to preach to the choir and do big rallies.

Rand is exciting if you want to win the white house. Rand is supposed to be the evolution of Ron, more acceptable to the mainstream GOP base, and he is.

Some of you guys really need to get outside of your comfort zones and talk to the average Republican. The liberty message has come a long way since 08/12.

The entire point was to build on top of what Ron did so those that abandon the next step in the plan because Rand isn't with them on 100% of the issues is just silly. Take Ron's Iowa and NH finishes in 2012 and add on top of that the new youth voters that weren't 18 in 2012 as well as new Republicans and different groups that Rand is building for 2016 and we have a winning coalition. If the libertarians are mad that we have a coalition then I hope you are happy losing forever.
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Being told we are losers doesn't do much to get the excitement level up either. Sorry but when you have to explain someone's nuanced strategy all the time or explain why they totally do a 180 from a perceived ideology, it tends to confuse people.
 
"Some of you guys really need to get outside of your comfort zones and talk to the average Republican."

Hmmm, the average Republican. You mean the ones who want to nuke Iran and deport Mexicans on cattle cars? Is that who Rand is supposed to appeal to? Because Trump surely is. If the average Republican has that kind of pull on the whole field then Rand is in real trouble, because that's not the liberty message and every time Rand has to compromise, hem or haw on the basic message to appeal to the "average Republican" then there is no liberty message and thus nothing to campaign on.

I don't want to sound defeatist but if I hear the term "ground operations" one more time I'm going to die wretching in the fetal position. Yes organization is very important and it's a good thing Rand does have that going for him or he would really be sunk. But after watching Rick Santorum basically win Iowa with no more organization than his family and watching McCain win the GOP nomination in 2008 with no more organization than his bus, it's easy to get oversold on "organization" to make up for a candidacy which doesn't have a message the voters want to hear. And what's Rand's message now? especially when he repudiated his father's own admission against preventative war just to sound good to neocon scum like Levine?

Rand may very well have a good debate and Trump will implode and things will be good again. Or Rand could get ignored like Ron. After all, there's 10 candidates up there. They all can't get airtime or the good soundbites. If the campaign wants to ensure it can go well past one debate, it's needs a message voters are going to latch onto. It's needs a purpose. Why do you want to be President Rand? If you can't answer that question clearly in less than a minute, then you need to rethink things. Rand has shown in the past he has potential and he's not stupid. But Presidential campaigns are more than just taking advantage of favorable political trends. It's got to soar beyond mere politics, otherwise you'll wind up like most politicians who run for President: losers. I don't want to watch the movement go down because the kid can't hack it. I think he can, but the difference between past campaigns and today is a message and purpose that's clearly lacking now and you only need to look at Trump's rise to prove it. It's been our failure to provide an alternative. Anyone can campaign against Washington and the establishment. The question is, what is your alternative?
 
I think Rand has done a good job of offering very specific plans as his purpose of being the president. The tax plan he offered, the only candidate committed to fighting against NSA, the only candidate with a reasonable foreign policy. Rand is very much different. The last few weeks Rand has simply been ignored... Why? I think they are finally starting to realize that Rand could win Iowa and NH...

They aren't going to be fair because we threaten the media's way of life. That is why they are continuing to cover trump so extensively. Our past support can win us both Iowa and NH. We need to focus on getting them to the polls. We do that we win. I don't give a damn about trump running his mouth due to his gauge of what is popular. One day they will wake up and realize what trump is. He has yet to be vetted! People have no idea about his political past and they will soon. We have to try and get that support once it leaves trump. Not to mention it is a death wish to have a bump this early.
 
It's a tough talk about stepping up everyone's game. It's a challenge to those to may have forgotten how bad it was for us during the Ron Paul Campaigns. I am seeing way to much negativity on poll numbers (really crap polls btw) etc. so I wanted to remind those where we have come from. If you see a negative story on Rand, go make a phone from home call. When you see trump getting all the attention, go post trump's record on FB. When we win Iowa it won't be because the media made it easy. We have to earn every last vote.
 
Carlybee said:
I always thought it meant you were gonna get a smackdown
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Like...

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Trump just got lucky when that illegal alien drug dealer killed a white woman in front of her father using a gun...
 
Rand needs to stop up pandering yesterday, he could of won with his father's message right now given his stylistic differences or at least advanced it further but he's chosen the tweedle dee and tweedle dum approach of trying too appeal to Fox News voters and not stand out from the crowd of disgusting Republican challengers. It's never going to work, we're not going to trick anybody, and if Rand doesn't respect his base he won't have one. Rand doesn't just get to throw us a crumb here and there, he needs to become the liberty candidate he was suppose to be or else I will look for other options and have different priorities. There is value in an educational campaign, what Rand is doing accomplishes nothing and at best is a tremendous waste of time and resources. You're not going to win the votes without winning the hearts and minds, simple as that. Being an honest person willing to stand up for what you believe in even if it is unpopular is what voters want. Rand Paul running on a platform of "who else are you going to vote for?" is not good enough for me, I voted for Gary Johnson last election, I think him and Rand have about the same chance of being president right now. There is zero reason for Republican voters to flock to Rand if Trump implodes which to be honest is looking increasingly unlikely if he can maintain his lead after saying what he did about Mexicans and John McCain. Rand needs to 'come to Jesus' not us.
 
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Badger Paul said:
"Some of you guys really need to get outside of your comfort zones and talk to the average Republican."

Hmmm, the average Republican. You mean the ones who want to nuke Iran and deport Mexicans on cattle cars? Is that who Rand is supposed to appeal to? Because Trump surely is. If the average Republican has that kind of pull on the whole field then Rand is in real trouble, because that's not the liberty message and every time Rand has to compromise, hem or haw on the basic message to appeal to the "average Republican" then there is no liberty message and thus nothing to campaign on.
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Do you not remember who was it that recommended us to use the GOP as a vehicle? I'll give you one guess and one hint to go with it. R.P.

Also, if you feel like appealing to the GOP is so useless for electoral success then I have a website for you to visit.
www.lewrockwell.com

You may go preach to the choir forever if you like.
 
Carlybee said:
Being told we are losers doesn't do much to get the excitement level up either. Sorry but when you have to explain someone's nuanced strategy all the time or explain why they totally do a 180 from a perceived ideology, it tends to confuse people.
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Wait what? My [electoral] losers reference was only directed to those not happy with having a coalition. Are you a mad that Rand has been building a coalition?

I think some of you people need to really decide what you want. Ron was great but we tried things that way, he always had a ceiling. Anyone on RPF who has had experience with their local GOP knows that Rand has done a lot for us in terms of the average Republican's acceptance of the so called liberty message.
 
erowe1 said:
What's the thread title mean?
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r3volution 3.0 said:
In this context, "come to Jesus" is an idiom meaning something like "return to the fold."
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Carlybee said:
I always thought it meant you were gonna get a smackdown
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Well, I've been hearing that expression for decades. And Carlybee is right, to a point. But I've also heard that expression used to describe that magical moment when you stop lying to yourself and use your eyes to see what's really in front of you.
 
I have to disagree with those saying Rand is being ignored. He's been all over the news lately...on the Sunday shows, and he's being mentioned on the Fox shows. His chainsaw ad, his opposition to PP and sanctuary cities. He's been on TV to comment on all those things.

Rand has to change his presentation. Sell himself more, be more decisive/less wishy-washy, and become the anti-establishment champion. He has the record that Trump doesn't. Provide the plans and policies (focusing on improving the economy, preferably) that Trump isn't. He has to stay up in the polls and be there when Trump flames out.
 
jkob said:
Rand needs to stop up pandering yesterday, he could of won with his father's message right now given his stylistic differences or at least advanced it further but he's chosen the tweedle dee and tweedle dum approach of trying too appeal to Fox News voters and not stand out from the crowd of disgusting Republican challengers.

Rand doesn't just get to throw us a crumb here and there, he needs to become the liberty candidate he was suppose to be or else I will look for other options and have different priorities. There is value in an educational campaign, what Rand is doing accomplishes nothing and at best is a tremendous waste of time and resources.
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What issue or issues do you feel like he is pandering on? Is it Iran specifically? You seem displeased, but I can't tell about what.

And what issues would you like him to deal with more? You say he just throws the occasional crumbs. He has been pushing a hardcore budget, tax plan, Audit the Fed, the NSA filibuster, FATCA lawsuit,dealing with drug laws etc. On foreign policy he was the most vocal about Cuba and not arming the Syrian rebels. His whole voting record is that of a radical libertarian.

You wrote a lot, but did not give specifics. And if he is not going on Fox News, where should he go? Infowars? Russia Today? White Supremicist internet radio shows?
 
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eleganz said:
Wait what? My [electoral] losers reference was only directed to those not happy with having a coalition. Are you a mad that Rand has been building a coalition?

I think some of you people need to really decide what you want. Ron was great but we tried things that way, he always had a ceiling. Anyone on RPF who has had experience with their local GOP knows that Rand has done a lot for us in terms of the average Republican's acceptance of the so called liberty message.
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So called is right because it's not the same liberty message that drew me to Ron Paul. I'm not saying he hasn't made inroads. My comment that you quoted was in regard to the fact that some on this board informed us that our help wasn't needed if we insisted on supporting the Ron Paul style of liberty. As for Ron's way not working...he had a ton of support from the grassroots. Not so much from some in his campaign. It's not me making this up. Look at the member numbers on this site. You lost a lot of people by trying to shut us out initially because some of you were so afraid we would show up with megaphones shouting 9-11 was an inside job or something. Sorry..just the way it appears. Maybe y'all need to decide what you want.
 
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