"Come to Jesus" meeting with the Rand Paul supporters. Have you forgotten?

[kbs021]

I have been seeing A LOT of sadness, confusion, and anger over the last few weeks regarding Rand's current campaign. This is mostly over poll numbers, Rand's financing, trump's poll number explosion, Rand's lack of coverage, etc. I am beginning to wonder if you guys forgot about the last few elections...

We knew from the beginning, or at least I thought I did, that Rand would get no help from the media. It is so obvious that the media, even democratic media, is covering every little thing that trump does on purpose. Trump has yet to even begin to talk about policies except for immigration. Guys Trump has name recognition. Bush has name recognition. That is a large reason they are polling so high right now. Rudy Giuliani anyone??? National polls that have trump over 20 percent don't mean anything! Nor do they express willingness to actually vote.

Have you forgotten how Ron polled??? For example, in NH, Ron polled at 6 percent in the beginning of June 2011 from a New Hampshire University poll. Ron finished at 23 percent on election day. Ron polled anywhere from 3 percent(lol) to 7, 8, in June of 2011 in Iowa. On election day Ron got 21.5 percent. These people they are polling are often not even likely voters nor do they represent the electorate correctly. A recent poll from Iowa had the youth vote misrepresented by 10 percent according to the 2012 election which Ron and Rand dominate! And this year Iowa students will be in school during the caucus so that number should rise even more. These recent polls also cannot take into account our willingness to vote in a caucus and on a freezing night without hesitation. These polls also don't take into account all of the new young voters who are now old enough to vote. We have another 4 years of young adults ready to fight. The bottom line on this is that if Rand were to merely keep the votes from 2012, we have an amazing shot to win BOTH NH and Iowa...

The debates have yet to start. When the debates start things will begin to fall in place. Wait until Trump calls out walker for supporting amnesty. Wait until Rand begins to have his policies up against the rest of the field. Things will change rapidly. To those who believe Rand won't defend himself or debate "like trump" go back and watch his debates with Conway for senate. Ron NEVER got that feisty. Rand is a much better speaker and debater than Ron.

All of the stories being printed about Rand's "failing campaign" are done on purpose... You guys should know this! "Rand only got 7 million dollars!!!" (they forgot to mention him being close to the top of the field with small donations). This is meant to demoralize you. It didn't work against Ron and it won't work now. Please guys step it up. We are going to need the fight we had in 2012. If Rand doesn't motivate you as much, then remember those who are supporting him. Amash, Massie, Ron, etc. This isn't about Rand anyway! This is about the liberty movement and the constitution.

Guys we are doing great right now. Iowa and NH. Iowa and NH. IOWA and NH is all that matters right now. We have the best ground game in those two states. That will not change. Hang in there and get ready for the debate next week.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Hear Hear

 

[Warlord]

Good post... its still early

 

[chronicaust]

I think everybody here needed to hear this xD

 

[nikcers]

but the mainstream media wants me to think his campaign is stalling...

 

[eleganz]

Lots of weak knees around here who all claim to be above the media, yet they are falling for the media stories targeted directly at them.

but the mainstream media wants me to think his campaign is stalling...

Or that Trump is taking all the air out of the room, lmao.

 

[LatinsforPaul]

On the ground is where Rand will win the primaries...

Rand Paul’s Iowa Campaign Should Make the Rest of the GOP Field Nervous

 

[RichardAlpert]

great post; thanks for the reminder!

 

[Okie RP fan]

If anyone ever thought a Paul was going to get a fair shake, even Rand, who entertains the establishment quite often, well… I may have a bridge to sell you in Arizona.
DM me if interested

 

[65fastback2+2]

i dont really pay attention to early polls or voting...shoot, santorum won iowa in 2012...yuck. meaningless.

 

[Dianne]

I have been seeing A LOT of sadness, confusion, and anger over the last few weeks regarding Rand's current campaign. This is mostly over poll numbers, Rand's financing, trump's poll number explosion, Rand's lack of coverage, etc. I am beginning to wonder if you guys forgot about the last few elections...

We knew from the beginning, or at least I thought I did, that Rand would get no help from the media. It is so obvious that the media, even democratic media, is covering every little thing that trump does on purpose. Trump has yet to even begin to talk about policies except for immigration. Guys Trump has name recognition. Bush has name recognition. That is a large reason they are polling so high right now. Rudy Giuliani anyone??? National polls that have trump over 20 percent don't mean anything! Nor do they express willingness to actually vote.

Have you forgotten how Ron polled??? For example, in NH, Ron polled at 6 percent in the beginning of June 2011 from a New Hampshire University poll. Ron finished at 23 percent on election day. Ron polled anywhere from 3 percent(lol) to 7, 8, in June of 2011 in Iowa. On election day Ron got 21.5 percent. These people they are polling are often not even likely voters nor do they represent the electorate correctly. A recent poll from Iowa had the youth vote misrepresented by 10 percent according to the 2012 election which Ron and Rand dominate! And this year Iowa students will be in school during the caucus so that number should rise even more. These recent polls also cannot take into account our willingness to vote in a caucus and on a freezing night without hesitation. These polls also don't take into account all of the new young voters who are now old enough to vote. We have another 4 years of young adults ready to fight. The bottom line on this is that if Rand were to merely keep the votes from 2012, we have an amazing shot to win BOTH NH and Iowa...

The debates have yet to start. When the debates start things will begin to fall in place. Wait until Trump calls out walker for supporting amnesty. Wait until Rand begins to have his policies up against the rest of the field. Things will change rapidly. To those who believe Rand won't defend himself or debate "like trump" go back and watch his debates with Conway for senate. Ron NEVER got that feisty. Rand is a much better speaker and debater than Ron.

All of the stories being printed about Rand's "failing campaign" are done on purpose... You guys should know this! "Rand only got 7 million dollars!!!" (they forgot to mention him being close to the top of the field with small donations). This is meant to demoralize you. It didn't work against Ron and it won't work now. Please guys step it up. We are going to need the fight we had in 2012. If Rand doesn't motivate you as much, then remember those who are supporting him. Amash, Massie, Ron, etc. This isn't about Rand anyway! This is about the liberty movement and the constitution.

Guys we are doing great right now. Iowa and NH. Iowa and NH. IOWA and NH is all that matters right now. We have the best ground game in those two states. That will not change. Hang in there and get ready for the debate next week.

I would like to see more of Ron in this campaign. It worries me that Ron isn't on the campaign trail for his son. Maybe he is, and I just missed it.

 

[65fastback2+2]

I would like to see more of Ron in this campaign. It worries me that Ron isn't on the campaign trail for his son. Maybe he is, and I just missed it.

he's not and its by design. ron's message and way of discussing it has been proven to not work...so why bring in something that is known to not work?

plus, it doesnt look good when he praises the Iran deal and Rand is talking about how poor it is. Cant have conflict in a campaign like that.

 

[jkob]

It isn't just the polls, it is Rand who is hard to get excited over unlike his father. If Rand ran in 2012 and his last name wasn't Paul, half this forum would of probably would of declared they could never vote for him. Momentum is not on our side.

 

[65fastback2+2]

It isn't just the polls, it is Rand who is hard to get excited over unlike his father. If Rand ran in 2012 and his last name wasn't Paul, half this forum would of probably would of declared they could never vote for him. Momentum is not on our side.

i disagree...im far more excited over rand than ron. I never believed ron capable of winning anything.

 

[eleganz]

It isn't just the polls, it is Rand who is hard to get excited over unlike his father. If Rand ran in 2012 and his last name wasn't Paul, half this forum would of probably would of declared they could never vote for him. Momentum is not on our side.

Ron is exciting if you want to preach to the choir and do big rallies.

Rand is exciting if you want to win the white house. Rand is supposed to be the evolution of Ron, more acceptable to the mainstream GOP base, and he is.

Some of you guys really need to get outside of your comfort zones and talk to the average Republican. The liberty message has come a long way since 08/12.

The entire point was to build on top of what Ron did so those that abandon the next step in the plan because Rand isn't with them on 100% of the issues is just silly. Take Ron's Iowa and NH finishes in 2012 and add on top of that the new youth voters that weren't 18 in 2012 as well as new Republicans and different groups that Rand is building for 2016 and we have a winning coalition. If the libertarians are mad that we have a coalition then I hope you are happy losing forever.

 

[tony m]

he's not and its by design. ron's message and way of discussing it has been proven to not work...so why bring in something that is known to not work?

plus, it doesnt look good when he praises the Iran deal and Rand is talking about how poor it is. Cant have conflict in a campaign like that.

Dr. Paul's word, did indeed work. It's those in areas of power and control who did what they do to his word.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I don't think any of us who are depressed are feeling that way because of "polls" or that the "media is treating Rand unfairly". I'm dejected because I've paid close attention to Rand's campaign and thus far, it has been pretty awful. The Trump thing has depressed people further because Trump just proved everything we were saying about Rand's campaign for months now was right. There was a critical mass of GOP voters totally fed up with the establishment and if Rand had run a Dave Brat style campaign, or even a campaign along the lines of the one he ran in 2010, he'd be the one polling at 28% nationally and because of his strong organization on the ground (the one thing Rand's campaign has done right) he'd be in an even more commanding position than Hillary.

There is still time yes, and the silver lining of the whole Trump thing is that Trump is teaching Rand's campaign people a lesson that they desperately needed to learn about how you win an election in 2016.

 

[Wilf]

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There is still time yes, and the silver lining of the whole Trump thing is that Trump is teaching Rand's campaign people a lesson that they desperately needed to learn about how you win an election in 2016.

Not really.

 

[acptulsa]

I don't think any of us who are depressed are feeling that way because of "polls" or that the "media is treating Rand unfairly". I'm dejected because I've paid close attention to Rand's campaign and thus far, it has been pretty awful. The Trump thing has depressed people further because Trump just proved everything we were saying about Rand's campaign for months now was right. There was a critical mass of GOP voters totally fed up with the establishment and if Rand had run a Dave Brat style campaign, or even a campaign along the lines of the one he ran in 2010, he'd be the one polling at 28% nationally and because of his strong organization on the ground (the one thing Rand's campaign has done right) he'd be in an even more commanding position than Hillary.

There is still time yes, and the silver lining of the whole Trump thing is that Trump is teaching Rand's campaign people a lesson that they desperately needed to learn about how you win an election in 2016.

Why, yes. Yes, Trump is teaching the Rand Paul campaign that all they need to do to win is to get the mainstream media to give Rand Paul a billion dollars worth of free publicity by talking abut him 24/7.

Unfortunately, they will not do this unless they know the candidate is in the establishment's pocket. And it's hard to build up a voting record as enviable as Rand Paul's and convince them one is in someone's pocket.

So far, except when he was the Equal Time Candidate of the Week, the only mention Rand Paul has gotten from the Sunday Morning Blather Shows is coverage of how unelectable he is, how his campaign is imploding, how we should all just give up and let the warmongering crooks win. Which is just what the intelligent among us expected. And exactly what the intelligent among us knows will always be what he gets from the media, unlike that tool Trump.

Now. Tell Rand's campaign how to force the media to give him all that free publicity or stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[limequat]

Why, yes. Yes, Trump is teaching the Rand Paul campaign that all they need to do to win is to get the mainstream media to give Rand Paul a billion dollars worth of free publicity by talking abut him 24/7.

Unfortunately, they will not do this unless they know the candidate is in the establishment's pocket. And it's hard to build up a voting record as enviable as Rand Paul's and convince them one is in someone's pocket.

So far, except when he was the Equal Time Candidate of the Week, the only mention Rand Paul has gotten from the Sunday Morning Blather Shows is coverage of how unelectable he is, how his campaign is imploding, how we should all just give up and let the warmongering crooks win. Which is just what the intelligent among us expected. And exactly what the intelligent among us knows will always be what he gets from the media, unlike that tool Trump.

Now. Tell Rand's campaign how to force the media to give him all that free publicity or stop making a fool of yourself.

Damn!

Just to add one point to that, there's the thing about peaking at the right time. I'm sure Rand could unload all he has, stir up controversy, and invade the news cycle. But people would get bored and move on to the next thing. The trick is to do it RIGHT before IOWA.