College Student I.D.'s no longer valid for voting!

[erowe1]

That is proof that they are preventing youth from voting, not proof that, as you suggest, that it's stopping voter fraud. There is no evidence these students were going to vote in multiple states, but it's clear they were trying to vote once.

My point isn't that I know what they were trying to do. My point is that it prevented them from being able to do that. Whether or not they actually did vote in their home states was up to them, not me. But if they chose not to, they can't blame anyone but themselves.

 

[kylejack]

Well, if it's in the Constitution, then I guess that makes it right.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and should be adhered to. If people want to change it there is an amendment process for that, but meanwhile it is what should be followed.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Does it require that the ID not be expired? Does the required photo ID cost money paid to the government to acquire?

Yes, it has to be a current ID. All I know right off is that it has to be a photo ID or 3 non-photo IDs. I'll try and dig up the whole law when I get home. I'm headed out the door in a few minutes.

 

[kylejack]

My point isn't that I know what they were trying to do. My point is that it prevented them from being able to do that. Whether or not they actually did vote in their home states was up to them, not me. But if they chose not to, they can't blame anyone but themselves.

It's not up to them to vote in their home states, because it's illegal in most places to be registered to vote in two states. If they're registered at home and in your state they are breaking the law. It would seem that you only have access to your state's voter registry, so it's anyone's guess whether they're registered at home.

 

[erowe1]

It's not up to them to vote in their home states, because it's illegal in most places to be registered to vote in two states. If they're registered at home and in your state they are breaking the law.

That's correct. And the place where that law is enforced is at the polling place. And the way it is enforced, at least in Indiana, is by requiring Indiana ID to be able to vote.

 

[tsai3904]

That's correct. And the place where that law is enforced is at the polling place. And the way it is enforced, at least in Indiana, is by requiring Indiana ID.

Can't they use a US passport?

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/2401.htm

Photo ID Law

4. Be issued by the State of Indiana or the U.S. government

In most cases, an Indiana driver license, Indiana photo ID card, Military ID or U.S. Passport is sufficient.

 

[kylejack]

So if they can use a passport in Indiana and their home state, how is requiring ID preventing multiple voting? Wouldn't a nefarious individual who intends to multiple vote just use their passport, knowing all the ins and outs of illegal voting? Seems to me that it hurts the uninformed, not the multiple voters.

 

[Apparition]

My problem with using just a college ID for voting is that even non-US citizens attending college in the US can get a college ID card.

 

[erowe1]

Can't they use a US passport?

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/2401.htm

Yes they can. That's a loophole in the law.

 

[tsai3904]

They can also vote absentee by mail without having to show anyone an ID.

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/2402.htm

Note: Voters voting absentee-by-mail are NOT required to show photo ID.

 

[tsai3904]

My problem with using just a college ID for voting is that even non-US citizens attending college in the US can get a college ID card.

They have to register to vote first. To register, they have to show proper identification that goes beyond just a college ID.

 

[erowe1]

So if they can use a passport in Indiana and their home state, how is requiring ID preventing multiple voting? Wouldn't a nefarious individual who intends to multiple vote just use their passport, knowing all the ins and outs of illegal voting? Seems to me that it hurts the uninformed, not the multiple voters.

Like I said. It's not a foolproof way to stop all voter fraud. It only stops some, and some is better than none.

I'm not sure why they have the passport loophole. But I assume it's just a result of the sausage making process that is legislation.

 

[kylejack]

My problem with using just a college ID for voting is that even non-US citizens attending college in the US can get a college ID card.

But it doesn't register them to vote. A voter must be registered on the voter rolls before they can vote, and they must be a citizen to register.

 

[erowe1]

They have to register to vote first. To register, they have to show proper identification that goes beyond just a college ID.

I don't think that's true. At least not in Indiana. The only stage in the process where ID is required is at the polling place I think.

 

[kylejack]

I don't think that's true. At least not in Indiana. The only stage in the process where ID is required is at the polling place I think.

So you mean to tell me that I can register to vote in Indiana with a made up name without having to show any ID, Social Security number, or birth certificate? I find that pretty hard to believe.

 

[tsai3904]

I don't think that's true. At least not in Indiana. The only stage in the process where ID is required is at the polling place I think.

I meant that they have to have something that shows they are a resident of Indiana, like a utility bill, bank statement or an ID. You can't just have a college ID, register to vote, and then vote.

 

[erowe1]

So you mean to tell me that I can register to vote in Indiana with a made up name without having to show any ID, Social Security number, or birth certificate? I find that pretty hard to believe.

I think so. But you can't actually vote without ID.

 

[erowe1]

I meant that they have to have something that shows they are a resident of Indiana, like a utility bill, bank statement or an ID.

Are you sure about that? I don't think so. But I could be wrong.

In 2008 Obama volunteers were going all over the place registering people to vote, and I don't think they could have been requiring any of those things.

 

[tsai3904]

So you mean to tell me that I can register to vote in Indiana with a made up name without having to show any ID, Social Security number, or birth certificate? I find that pretty hard to believe.

This is what you need in Indiana to register to vote:

Box 10: Identification Documentation If you are registering to vote in Indiana for the first
time, and you are sending this application by mail, you must provide identification
documentation. Identification may include a current and valid photo id, current utility bill,
bank statement, government check, paycheck, or government document that shows the
name and address of the voter. You may include a copy of your identification with this
application. Do not mail an ORIGINAL copy of your document! If you do not provide
identification with this application or to the county voter registration office before election
day, you will be asked for it the first time you vote.

 

[erowe1]

This is what you need in Indiana to register to vote:

Interesting. Thanks.

Edit: I just noticed the last sentence of that. It indicates that you can register without any of those things.