CO supreme court disqualifies Trump from ballot [SCOTUS overturns]

[TheCount]

What about them? They were false, and were easily identified and treated as such.

Again with the "well it doesn't count if it didn't work."

The reason it didn't work is because certain people didn't go along with it. A coup attempt that fails due to a lack of support is not somehow less of an coup attempt.

Also, what did Trump do to people if they expressed that they wouldn't comply?

If being querulously combative with election officials was the worst thing Trump did, then he'd be pretty awesome.

He wasn't combative so long as they kissed the ring and committed fraud for him.

 

[TheCount]

So, assuming for the sake of argument that there was a heist of a national election, stealing the votes of Americans who voted for the incumbent President, what should they do about it? Remember, real-life is not the movies, the crooks aren't going to magically leave their fingerprints for POTUS to find and publish on TV in a national address thus magically "exposing the plot". Assume it was somebody you consider rational, idk, let's say RFK Jr? Should he just accept that the heisters won and allow them to silence the American majority, simply because it would be too ugly to call them out directly?

Let's take a step back from the fantasy roleplay.

In our federal system, who is responsible for conducting and overseeing elections?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Obviously, many of the states should have removed Barrack Obama from the ballots, as he was not qualified to be POTUS.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Let's take a step back from the fantasy roleplay.

In our federal system, who is responsible for conducting and overseeing elections?

Let's see, we have these entities called political parties, and they chose their candidates any way they want. I must have missed in the Constitution where government was given the power to "oversee" and police internal elections in private organizations. But aren't we lucky that the Democrats recently went to court to decide such an issue, and they proved that they can do whatever they want, and they don't even have to honor the results of their elections.

 

[ClaytonB]

Let's take a step back from the fantasy roleplay.

In our federal system, who is responsible for conducting and overseeing elections?

The states conduct their own elections. And no, I'm not asking anybody to "fantasy roleplay", I'm asking a direct logical question. We got into this quagmire while the snarky, wisecracking, know-it-all MSMBS mouthpieces in the DC Establishment have been guffawing at the absurdity of "conspiracy theories" meanwhile, guess what, it's not a theory, it's a damned conspiracy FACT. So, the "<guffaw> <guffaw> are you asking me to fantasy roleplay here?"-reply is unserious and, long-run, it loses. Because if we're really going to take a step back from the fantasy role-play, this is all a bluff and has been for many decades now. The bluff only works as long as it's not called. So keep guffawing to yourself about "fantasy roleplay" as you wish, meanwhile, we're calling the Cabal's bluff for real this time. In this musical chairs game, the music eventually has to stop. One day very soon...

 

[Swordsmyth]

What about them? They were false, and were easily identified and treated as such.

No, they were not.
They were alternate slates appealing to Congress to not certify fraud and investigate their valid claims.
This has been done many times in our history, stop granting the MSM narrative.

I'd prefer not to live in such a country, either.

That's not what happened either.
Trump as a candidate made a perfectly reasonable demand to the proper authorities to investigate and rectify the obvious fraud.

It certainly does. Trump is just a lot more crudely ham-fisted about it.

If you define waking Americans up to the level of fraud in our elections to be ham fisted then you will never get rid of it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Without the "chuds breaking windows", there is no "insurrection" narrative.

At most, there is just Trump pulling his pud and demanding that some people (e.g., Pence) do some things (e.g., decertify or discount electors' votes) - followed by none of those people actually doing any of those things.

Trump was 100% correct, and had it he succeeded it would not have been an insurrection.

 

[ClaytonB]

No, they were not.
They were alternate slates appealing to Congress to not certify fraud and investigate their valid claims.
This has been done many times in our history, stop granting the MSM narrative.

The strategic point here is that, even if you're right, it doesn't matter. Whining about 2020 is not going to help in 2024. The Ds know that, and they're counting on it. This was the rope-a-dope strategy underpinning the 2020 heist to begin with... as long as they could steal it, and hold it long enough, it eventually wouldn't matter that they stole it. When you zoom out, what is really happening is abuse by mass-gaslighting. The bait that the gaslighter dangles in front of their victim is "Try to stop me, try to expose me, come on, I want you to do it! Expose me!" You dial 911 and little do you know that the 911 operator is in the same network-of-evil with your abuser. That's the reason for baiting the challenge, because when you take the bait, there is an even bigger demoralization waiting for you, an even deeper level of the Abyss. Many take the bait and become black-pilled when they find out they were more wrong than they ever imagined. And that's why this mass-gaslighting is not a political phenomenon, it's a fundamentally spiritual phenomenon. Even simple logic shows this. Sherlock Holmes, despite being a professed agnostic would understand the situation immediately -- "when the impossible has been ruled out, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." So, what the Cabal are really doing is escalating in the court of heaven itself. It's a bluff, and it only works if we don't call their bluff. But since it's a spiritual war, using material means is the act of not calling their bluff, even though it feels so good. Rushing into the Capitol is the opposite of calling their bluff, it's falling for the bait. I have been warning about this here and elsewhere for years prior to J6, and I'm not the only voice out there. The conservative right needs to wake up. I'm pretty sure J6 was the last wake-up call we're going to get. I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like 2024 is going to drop an even worse surprise on our heads than COVID, and that was bad enough. Frog-marching Mike Pence out of the Capitol would have solved nothing, and doubling down on a failed strategy is not courage, it's folly.

 

[TheCount]

Let's see, we have these entities called political parties, and they chose their candidates any way they want. I must have missed in the Constitution where government was given the power to "oversee" and police internal elections in private organizations. But aren't we lucky that the Democrats recently went to court to decide such an issue, and they proved that they can do whatever they want, and they don't even have to honor the results of their elections.

We're talking about the 2020 election. It wasn't a primary. Good try though.

 

[TheCount]

No, they were not.
They were alternate slates appealing to Congress to not certify fraud and investigate their valid claims.

Regardless of what you think of the election results, the false electors' slates were factually fraudulent, as they made claims as to their meeting time, location, and status that were not true.

State law establishes those requirements. The false electors lied about fulfilling them. Conveniently, they signed their lies and express mailed them to the federal archives to be recorded and preserved.

 

[acptulsa]

We're talking about the 2020 election. It wasn't a primary. Good try though.

Then who changed the subject? The thread is about a primary.

 

[TheCount]

Then who changed the subject? The thread is about a primary.

Many people asking about the validity of the word insurrection.

It's alright, though, I don't think they're derailing my thread.

 

[acptulsa]

Many people asking about the validity of the word insurrection.

Meh. When an actual insurrection happens, nobody who even hears about it will have any doubt what it is. BLM will wind up looking like they're in the Sunday School Picnic business. It won't be bricks flying.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

We're talking about the 2020 election. It wasn't a primary. Good try though.

“We”?

I suppose you could be talking about the disputed 2000 election too, but the the current thread is about now:

“Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules”

And what we have today is a ludicrous display of bullsh!t attempting to “legally” justify an obvious attempt at totalitarian banana republic “elections”. The destination being a Soviet/CCP style one party system where candidates and winners are selected in party committee rooms.

Here's what they do believe in: they believe in a vast legal system, where all laws are open to debate and litigation. A system where any position can be defended or attacked on a "legal reasonability" basis. A system where the most powerful generally get their way, regardless of the letter or intent of the law. A system where anything can be justified. A system which enables power to reside with those with the most knowledge of the law, and how to use and manipulate it. A system where maximum employment is enjoyed for all those who desire to support, sustain and profit from the legal system.

They believe in no law at all, expertly disguised as a society fully enveloped in law.

The Constitution is the worst sort of law for them. It's far too clear, simple and supreme. The best law in their eyes is ambiguous, convoluted, complex and with no priorities at all.

 

[acptulsa]

And what we have today is a ludicrous display of bullsh!t attempting to “legally” justify an obvious attempt at totalitarian banana republic “elections”. The destination being a Soviet/CCP style one party system where candidates and winners are selected in party committee rooms.

How do you avoid it, though?

Particularly in this Colorado case, I'm happy the state government is letting their true colors show. If the party doesn't want to select a candidate in one smoke filled caucus room, invite the public to many caucuses and poll their results.

Giving certain parties added status and letting legislatures get their grubby fingers into the intraparty selection process are two bad things. I'm glad someone is making that obvious.

 

[dannno]

Man forces way into Colorado Supreme Court days after Trump ballot decision
BY LAUREN IRWIN - 01/02/24

A man was arrested early Tuesday after he broke into the Colorado Supreme Court overnight, opened fire and caused “significant and extensive” damage, local authorities said.


The man was involved in a crash around 1:15 a.m. before he shot out a window and forced his way into the Ralph L. Carr Colorado Judicial Center, which houses the state Supreme Court, the Colorado Court of Appeals and several other state agencies, the Colorado State Patrol (CSP) said in a news release.


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4384741-colorado-supreme-court-trump-ballot-14th-amendment/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Man forces way into Colorado Supreme Court days after Trump ballot decision
BY LAUREN IRWIN - 01/02/24

A man was arrested early Tuesday after he broke into the Colorado Supreme Court overnight, opened fire and caused “significant and extensive” damage, local authorities said.


The man was involved in a crash around 1:15 a.m. before he shot out a window and forced his way into the Ralph L. Carr Colorado Judicial Center, which houses the state Supreme Court, the Colorado Court of Appeals and several other state agencies, the Colorado State Patrol (CSP) said in a news release.


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4384741-colorado-supreme-court-trump-ballot-14th-amendment/

OMG! "Insurrection 2: MAGA Colorado".

Of course if you read the story, it was about some kind of road rage car accident and the guy tried to hold off police by breaking into the building and shooting out the windows."

 

[Brian4Liberty]

How do you avoid it, though?

Particularly in this Colorado case, I'm happy the state government is letting their true colors show. If the party doesn't want to select a candidate in one smoke filled caucus room, invite the public to many caucuses and poll their results.

Giving certain parties added status and letting legislatures get their grubby fingers into the intraparty selection process are two bad things. I'm glad someone is making that obvious.

And the further irony is why is this an issue for some bureaucrat who publishes ballots? If a party wants to put up an ineligible candidate, that is up to them. Likewise, if voters want to elect an ineligible candidate, it's up to them. The question is will they be prevented from taking office by some Federal entity?

This is like some state apparatchik saying "you are guilty of armed robbery in some other state just because I say so, so you are banned from buying or bearing arms".

 

[Swordsmyth]

The strategic point here is that, even if you're right, it doesn't matter. Whining about 2020 is not going to help in 2024. The Ds know that, and they're counting on it. This was the rope-a-dope strategy underpinning the 2020 heist to begin with... as long as they could steal it, and hold it long enough, it eventually wouldn't matter that they stole it. When you zoom out, what is really happening is abuse by mass-gaslighting. The bait that the gaslighter dangles in front of their victim is "Try to stop me, try to expose me, come on, I want you to do it! Expose me!" You dial 911 and little do you know that the 911 operator is in the same network-of-evil with your abuser. That's the reason for baiting the challenge, because when you take the bait, there is an even bigger demoralization waiting for you, an even deeper level of the Abyss. Many take the bait and become black-pilled when they find out they were more wrong than they ever imagined. And that's why this mass-gaslighting is not a political phenomenon, it's a fundamentally spiritual phenomenon. Even simple logic shows this. Sherlock Holmes, despite being a professed agnostic would understand the situation immediately -- "when the impossible has been ruled out, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." So, what the Cabal are really doing is escalating in the court of heaven itself. It's a bluff, and it only works if we don't call their bluff. But since it's a spiritual war, using material means is the act of not calling their bluff, even though it feels so good. Rushing into the Capitol is the opposite of calling their bluff, it's falling for the bait. I have been warning about this here and elsewhere for years prior to J6, and I'm not the only voice out there. The conservative right needs to wake up. I'm pretty sure J6 was the last wake-up call we're going to get. I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like 2024 is going to drop an even worse surprise on our heads than COVID, and that was bad enough. Frog-marching Mike Pence out of the Capitol would have solved nothing, and doubling down on a failed strategy is not courage, it's folly.

That doesn't have anything to do with what I was talking about.

 

[Swordsmyth]

We're talking about the 2020 election. It wasn't a primary. Good try though.

We are talking about the 2024 Colorado Republican Primary.
Try to pay attention to the basic facts.