CO supreme court disqualifies Trump from ballot [SCOTUS overturns]

[acptulsa]

I approve of this summary...

I didn't see any rebuttals, so I guess what's - his - name did too.

 

[69360]

Maine just removed Trump from the ballot.

 

[TheCount]

I didn't see any rebuttals, so I guess what's - his - name did too.

No argument from me. Sucking party toes, orange or otherwise, is not going to make any of our lives better.

 

[TheCount]

I would argue that those are two very different things. In one, the rule of law is whatever the preponderance of the mob says it is. The other doesn't fit that description.

A republic is what we used to have. It has been converted to a democracy as a step toward becoming a dictatorship. What's more, that strategy is working. This moves democracy much, much lower on my list, and it wasn't near the top before. Republics haven't budged an inch.

Democracy is a system that legitimizes every knee jerk reaction. Every lynching becomes a legitimate public execution. A representative democracy may also involve a certain amount of voting. But it's still a different animal.

Which of these two fits your description of a republic and which fits a democracy:

- Enforcing constitutional qualifications for candidates

- Ignoring the Constitution when a loud enough and large enough mob desires an unqualified candidate

 

[dannno]

Maine just removed Trump from the ballot.

Both are pending Supreme Court rulings. Both were done by Democrats.

Congratulations for being on Team Democrat.

I'd actually like to see him removed from the ballot in a few states, just to see him win anyway from write-ins. Show everybody what a fascist piece of shit party the Democrats are.

 

[ClaytonB]

Maine just removed Trump from the ballot.

Maine’s top election official removes Trump from 2024 primary ballot

Lesson: They were always able to do this. They just never needed to before now...

 

[WisconsinLiberty]

Trump Will Remain on Primary Ballot in Colorado Pending Supreme Court Decision

The New American
December 28, 2023

Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold’s office released a statement announcing that former President Donald Trump will remain on the Colorado 2024 Presidential Primary Ballot pending the appeal of Anderson v. Griswold to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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[ClaytonB]

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[Madison320]

Which of these two fits your description of a republic and which fits a democracy:

- Enforcing constitutional qualifications for candidates

- Ignoring the Constitution when a loud enough and large enough mob desires an unqualified candidate

If violating the constitution disqualified people from office there'd be no politicians.

Biden would be one of the first one out. I'm sure he's violated the constitution hundreds of times, but I'll pick one in particular that personally freaked me out. That was forcing employees to get the jab. That wasn't just some theoretical violation, that was creepy stuff that you only hear about in other authoritarian countries.

The problem with your argument is you're assuming every law is black and white and easy to figure out who violated it. There's a lot of gray area, especially in this case.

Letting the regime in power determine if the opposition is fit to run for office by using subjective laws is a recipe for disaster.

 

[acptulsa]

Which of these two fits your description of a republic and which fits a democracy:

- Enforcing constitutional qualifications for candidates

- Ignoring the Constitution when a loud enough and large enough mob desires an unqualified candidate

I'm not in the mood to discuss two purely hypothetical (or at best historical) scenarios this evening. Sorry.

 

[Madison320]

If the enforcement of a constitutional amendment from 1868 offends you so, it's pretty clear which of us needs to find a new country.

Maybe you could revitalize the confederacy?

You actually think Trump engaged in an insurrection?

 

[Dr.3D]

Was somebody convicted of insurrection?

 

[ClaytonB]

Was somebody convicted of insurrection?

Are you asking for facts in a Trump thread??

 

[Dr.3D]

Are you asking for facts in a Trump thread??

Thought maybe I had missed the trial.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Trump’s Name WILL Appear on Colorado Primary Ballot as Legal Team Appeals Decision

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...rimary-ballot-as-legal-team-appeals-decision/

PAUL BOIS 28 Dec 2023

Former President Donald Trump’s name will appear on the Colorado primary ballot as his legal team appeals the decision.

As Breitbart News reported last week, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled “in a 4-3 opinion that the Constitution’s ‘Insurrection Clause’ prohibits former President Donald Trump from appearing on the ballot for the presidency in 2024.”

“The court found by clear and convincing evidence that President Trump engaged in insurrection as those terms are used in Section Three” of the Fourteenth Amendment, the ruling read.

The opinion partially reversed a previous ruling from Colorado District Court Judge Sarah Wallace, who ruled in November that the Fourteenth Amendment would not apply in the case of former President Trump, being that he is not an officer of the United States as was defined at the time of the amendment’s ratification following the Civil War.

On Thursday, Colorado’s Secretary of State, Jena Griswold, said that former President Trump’s name will now appear on the ballot as his legal team appeals the decision.

“With the appeal filed, Donald Trump will be included as a candidate on Colorado’s 2024 Presidential Primary Ballot when certification occurs on January 5, 2024, unless the US Supreme Court declines to take the case or otherwise affirms the Colorado Supreme Court ruling,” Jena Griswold’s office said in a press release.

The Colorado Supreme Court had said in its opinion that its ruling against Trump would be stayed until January 4, and that if anyone filed a cert petition by that date the stay would continue until SCOTUS hands down its decision on the case. The court explained it was doing so because January 5 was the deadline for certifying names for the ballot in the state’s primary election.

The former president made it clear on that same day that he would be filing a petition for the Supreme Court to review the case, so it was a foregone conclusion that the stay would continue and that Trump’s name would appear on the ballot. However, the Colorado Republican Party—which had intervened in the case—filed its own petition for review at the Supreme Court ahead of the former president’s expected petition, which would present the justices with options as to which petitions to grant and which lawyers would be arguing the case.

“The Colorado Supreme Court got it right. This decision is now being appealed,” Griswold said. “I urge the US Supreme Court to act quickly given the upcoming presidential primary election.”

As noted by the New York Post, the U.S. Supreme Court “may still issue its own stay of the decision ahead of its first conference day of the new year, which falls on Jan. 5.”

 

[sparebulb]

Theatre of the absurd.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Theatre of the absurd.

Let the wild rumpus start.

 

[69360]

Both are pending Supreme Court rulings. Both were done by Democrats.

Congratulations for being on Team Democrat.

I'd actually like to see him removed from the ballot in a few states, just to see him win anyway from write-ins. Show everybody what a fascist piece of $#@! party the Democrats are.

Based on the current makeup of scotus, I would expect Trump to win his case and remain on the ballot. He played the long game well stacking the court in his favor.

Was somebody convicted of insurrection?

Show me where in the 14th it says you must be convicted of insurrection. You won't because it says engaged not convicted.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Both are pending Supreme Court rulings. Both were done by Democrats.

Congratulations for being on Team Democrat.

I'd actually like to see him removed from the ballot in a few states, just to see him win anyway from write-ins. Show everybody what a fascist piece of $#@! party the Democrats are.

If you seriously think people would come out in mass numbers and write in Trump if his name was off the ballot, you're sorely mistaken. He wouldn't even come close to winning any state regardless of the states it ends up happening in.

 

[dannno]

Show me where in the 14th it says you must be convicted of insurrection. You won't because it says engaged not convicted.

A judge can't just claim somebody committed a crime if they haven't even been indicted or charged for said crime.