CNN says Democrats sabotaging" Republicans in Michigan by voting Ron Paul!?

[RadioDJforPaul]

If Michigan has rules that allow anyone to vote in any primary, then these people get to vote in any primary. They are following the rules.

Kind of like how Ron Paul's supporters show up in mass for straw polls, therefore they are sabotaged!

 

[mconder]

RP hasn't got any nation coverage for like 5 days now. They are all turned against him now.

 

[Maltheus]

It's not sabotage, it's called hedging your bets. I've known many liberals who don't think he has a chance but have said they'd vote for him if he got the nomination. People want the war over and done with. He really is the only candidate who appeals to both left and right. He has the change and uniter thing in the bag if only he could properly convey that message.

 

[Soccrmastr]

Fox has gone too far. I say we take it to the next level guys.

What this next level involves is best left up the the imagination of the grassroots.

 

[jawrightbiz]

Quoted for Truth

It's a great way for the MSM to explain a RP victory.

QFT

 

[Exarel]

Fox has gone too far. I say we take it to the next level guys.

What this next level involves is best left up the the imagination of the grassroots.

Violence??

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[pepperpete1]

Democrat write-ins

Just curious here. Why do the Democrats not simply write in the candidate of their choice on the Democratic side if he does not appear on the ballot?

The write in vote is not allowed and will not be counted in the PRIMARY, an elector can write their candidate's name in during the general election if they so choose.
It would be counted then.

The fact that the Dems are asking their party members to vote uncommitted so as to get delegates to split up, to whomever, is ludricrous because the Democratic Party has taken ALL of their delegates away that they would have had as a way to penalize MI for moving the date of our primary up to Jan.

 

[Crickett]

RP hasn't got any nation coverage for like 5 days now. They are all turned against him now.

Yep..and it sure will look strange if they now start covering him all the time saying sabotage..sheesh

 

[osofaux]

Violence??

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No.

 

[fmontez]

It's pretty clear why this story is out there, the more democrats that vote for RP the more liberal he is labeled... i.e. the less Republicans that will vote for him... and Dr. Paul NEEDS the Republican vote to get the nomination... it's a short term victory for RP but will cost him the battle. I have tried to encourage RP supporters to go after conservative voters, not liberal votes, because in the end it's a losing strategy. Trust me, GOPer's don't enjoy mixing with liberals.

 

[SaratogaForRonPaul]

I sent the following to all the listed Democratic Chairs and Club Organizers listed in MI. I am sure others did the same based on the Daily Paul post. I don't know if this helped or not, but I hope it did.

Dear Democratic Chairs,

You have an opportunity tomorrow to marshal your voice and vote to say to America that the war and the economy are the most important issues in Michigan, and by voting for Ron Paul on the Republican ticket you will be saying that Michigan will not give another drop of blood or a precious delegate to another warmongering Neocon.

As you know, the Democratic National Committee has stripped Michigan of all its delegates to the Democratic National Convention. You can vote in the Democrat's primary, but no Michigan delegates will be sent to the DNC to vote for you.

In addition, most candidates running for the Democrat's nomination didn't even register to be on the ballot or have withdrawn their names. Here is a list of people who will be on the ballot: Hillary Clinton, Mike Gravel, and Dennis Kucinich. So if you wanted to vote for Barack Obama, John Edwards, or any other candidate, you can not even vote for them as a symbolic gesture. Whether you support Hillary Clinton or not, by default she will win this vote, and it doesn't matter if its 5,000 or 50,000 votes. Understandably, this is not a favorable situation to be in for your party, and if I had an opportunity to do so I would fight for your right to have your vote count towards the candidate that best matches your ideals to be eligible to gain a delegate for the convention. Unfortunately, at this time nothing can be done.

However, there is a way for your vote to be counted and to have delegates be given to an anti-war candidate who will reduce spending overseas to bring back our tax dollars to work for us here in the USA to help our economy. His name is Ron Paul. By voting for Ron Paul on Tuesday, it will not hurt the Democratic party at all, however it will send a powerful PROTEST message to the rest of the country that Michigan wants CHANGE towards peace and prosperity from both parties.

It doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat, but as Americans, we can all agree on these:

*We cannot afford to spend a trillion dollars a year overseas in illegal wars, having to borrow a billion dollars a day from China, a Communist country which is stealing our jobs! This equates to $3,000 a year future debt from your tax dollars!
*By cutting overseas spending, we can save the Social Security fund, which according to the GAO is about to go bankrupt as the country is $53 trillion in debt. Each household now owes $400,000!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE
*We need to restore our civil liberties, including habeas corpus, for all individuals, no matter race, gender, or creed.
*Our leaders must obey and restore the Constitution, the law of the land.

Here are some powerful videos to watch:

Ron Paul: Support the Troops and Bring them home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6D6uiLrgQ

Ron Paul: A New Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIivoqLbeeg


Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who is against the Iraq war and for the restoration of our civil liberties. All of the Democrats oppose the war in Iraq, so by voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primary you can help create a win-win 2008 Presidential ballot. It will be an anti-war, pro civil liberties Democrat versus an anti-war, pro civil liberties Republican. No matter who wins the election, the war will end and our civil liberties will be restored.

Your vote means more than your silence tomorrow, let it be a loud message.

I urge you to forward this email to those in your party and give them the freedom of choice.

I wish you the best,
Steven Vasquez

I got one reply (Read the thread from bottom up):

It isn't a perfect solution, but there will be a district caucus I believe on March 29. I do not know at this time where it will be. If one is not a precinct delegate they need to join the party 30 days ahead of that date. If one can't afford the fee, they can still become a member by sending in the form. At the caucus we will split into groups for each candidate similar to the Iowa caucus. The percentage of those in each group will be calculated. That percentage of the uncommitted will be given to that candidate. They probably won't get exactly what they would have if the name was on the ballot, but it will be better than not having a vote at all. The more uncommitted votes we get the better it is for the candidates who are not on the ballot. This is important for those of us whose candidates didn't have the courage to fight the present the present system which is unfair to all but a few states. Since I began in 1969 I don't remember a time when the candidate hadn't been decided before Michigan had their say. No state should be first all the time, and the same goes for being last.

----- Original Message -----
From: Steven
To: Jeanine
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: URGENT - Make your voice count in the MI Primaries

Jeanine,

Maybe I am confused by the process, but what you are saying is that a registered Democrat who votes in the open primary for a Republican is then not allowed to attend the Democratic district conventions? In other words, later in the process they are barred to vote for their candidate of choice such as Obama when the National Convention takes place? Don't only delegates have the ability to vote in the National Convention? If the delegates are stripped during this primary, how will they be allocated in the National Convention if everyone votes uncommitted?

----- Original Message ----
From: Jeanine
To: Steven
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:14:51 PM
Subject: Re: URGENT - Make your voice count in the MI Primaries

I resent your mail confusing Democratic voters. Democrats do have a voice in the primary by voting uncommitted and attending the district conventions. We have full faith that when the National Convention is held the candidates will be eager for our votes. You are taking advantage of and internal problem Michigan Dems have had the courage to take on. You have a duty as an American citizen to correct your error. You are the one who is taking away Dems right to vote for their choice.

 

[hasan]

It's pretty clear why this story is out there, the more democrats that vote for RP the more liberal he is labeled... i.e. the less Republicans that will vote for him... and Dr. Paul NEEDS the Republican vote to get the nomination... it's a short term victory for RP but will cost him the battle. I have tried to encourage RP supporters to go after conservative voters, not liberal votes, because in the end it's a losing strategy. Trust me, GOPer's don't enjoy mixing with liberals.

there arent many conservatives in the GOP anymore. just a lot of neocons who arent conservatives.

 

[smtwngrl]

Fox News: "We decide, you comply, don't ask why!"

Oh, that is so true!

 

[speciallyblend]

what??

It's pretty clear why this story is out there, the more democrats that vote for RP the more liberal he is labeled... i.e. the less Republicans that will vote for him... and Dr. Paul NEEDS the Republican vote to get the nomination... it's a short term victory for RP but will cost him the battle. I have tried to encourage RP supporters to go after conservative voters, not liberal votes, because in the end it's a losing strategy. Trust me, GOPer's don't enjoy mixing with liberals.

i will tell you this the republican party will lose the election if they dont nominate ron paul,either way the republican party is the problem not liberals,hell every republican running except ron paul could be classified a hillary republican

 

[Joel High]

It's pretty clear why this story is out there, the more democrats that vote for RP the more liberal he is labeled... i.e. the less Republicans that will vote for him... and Dr. Paul NEEDS the Republican vote to get the nomination... it's a short term victory for RP but will cost him the battle. I have tried to encourage RP supporters to go after conservative voters, not liberal votes, because in the end it's a losing strategy. Trust me, GOPer's don't enjoy mixing with liberals.

First, it would be very, very hard to label Ron Paul a liberal...I mean come on.

Second, let's talk about electability...If you get more Dems on our side the better his chances to win the whole thing.

 

[N13]

Gremlin Democrats doing sabatagey on the election. LOL

 

[fmontez]

i will tell you this the republican party will lose the election if they dont nominate ron paul,either way the republican party is the problem not liberals,hell every republican running except ron paul could be classified a hillary republican

I am so curious to find out how many RP supporters are GOP and how many are other... it gets old hearing RP supporters attacking RP's party. Either way, I say it is this behavior that hurts RP the most amongst the party... a lot of Republicans wonder if Ron Paul is really a Republican. hmmmm

 

[morerocklesstalk]

I don't think it would truly matter if they were Democrats. A good showing would be a great catalyst for more votes in Ron Paul.

 

[Thomas Paine]

It's pretty clear why this story is out there, the more democrats that vote for RP the more liberal he is labeled... i.e. the less Republicans that will vote for him... and Dr. Paul NEEDS the Republican vote to get the nomination... it's a short term victory for RP but will cost him the battle. I have tried to encourage RP supporters to go after conservative voters, not liberal votes, because in the end it's a losing strategy. Trust me, GOPer's don't enjoy mixing with liberals.

John McCain beat George Bush in the 2000 Michigan Primary thanks to Democrats and Independents and probably would have gone on to win South Carolina if Karl Rove hadn't started playing the race card against McCain.

 

[AlexMerced]

this is why it wasn't worth campaiging michigan, a win would of been chalked up to democrat sabotage