CNN: Hawaii Gov. tries to end birther debate once and for all

[libertarian4321]

Ha Ha Ha...the birthers and Terry Lakin now have more credibility than libertarian4321

Don't they teach the classics in school anymore?

See post #268.

 

[libertarian4321]

I guess both of you are too young to even recognize a little John Belushi humor a la movie 1941* when you see it. Hell you probably don't even know who John Belushi is.
Kids these days :shrug:

*Edit: Actually I think the movie was Animal House which actually just makes it worse.

The lack of education among our youth is simply appalling!

Clueless as he is, even LTC Lakin probably would have figured this one out!

 

[libertarian4321]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html

Damned leftists at the Wall Street Journal, making a mockery of the birther "arguments." LOL.

From the WSJ article:

Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

The birther CT nutters will NEVER accept any evidence that doesn't fit the conspiracy. They'll claim the CIA (or the Bilderbergers or the DNC or the Mossad or Space Aliens or whatever) forged the document.

Trying to reason with a conspiracy theorist is like trying to reason with a rabid dog, it ain't going to work, so why bother trying?

The president would gain nothing politically for his trouble. By acknowledging the birthers’ demands, he would lend them a modicum of credibility. By ignoring them, he actually reaps political benefits from their efforts. His critics, even those who are not birthers, end up looking like cranks by association. His supporters use the birthers to paint Obama foes as racist--which is probably unfair even to the birthers, as we argued Tuesday, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t effective.

The birthers are likely to be with us for as long as Obama is president--and because of them, it is more likely that this will be for the next 7½ rather than just 3½ years.

I posted this for Danno and the others who think that the fact that Obama has allegedly spent "millions" fighting the birthers is "proof" that the birther conspiracy is real.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. CRAZY DOESN'T WIN ELECTIONS!

When you come out and say "I support Ron Paul" then go on a birther or truther (or chem trail or whatever) rant, YOU AIN'T HELPING!

You just give ammunition to those who would label us "tin foil hatters" or "Paultards."

After listening to some of you rant about this nonsense for years, I sometimes feel like calling you "Paultards."

So please, smarten up and dump this bull shit. If you can't do that and feel you must remain a birther/truther, please take your "support" to Romney or Palin campaigns, because you are killing Ron Paul's chances...

 

[jmdrake]

Damned leftists at the Wall Street Journal, making a mockery of the birther "arguments." LOL.

To be a good advocate you learn to effectively quote from your friends. To be a great advocate you learn to quote from your enemies. My point of posting from the WSJ article is that even those who support Obama in this particular fight agree that he's not a citizen just because his mother is a citizen because of the particular circumstances surrounding his birth. Everything else the WSJ said post that is just useless filler.

That said, the argument is in general a waste of time, but the WSJ has shown (to anyone willing and able to read between the lines) that it's not "crazy".

 

[Bruno]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

The birther CT nutters will NEVER accept any evidence that doesn't fit the conspiracy. They'll claim the CIA (or the Bilderbergers or the DNC or the Mossad or Space Aliens or whatever) forged the document.

Namecalling. Collectivism. How clever. It really adds to your argument.

Bring it. Show the long-form birth certificate. I mean, it's apparently right there in a file cabinet, supposedly seen by one person, so it should be easy to produce.

Have it independently verified, I'm sure the free market can come up with some good experts. Then we will take it from there, and Obama can save a few million more dollars for his kids' inheritance.

Otherwise your "they will never believe it anyway!" argument is worthless. The same could be said by all those who oppose auditing the Fed. "Those crazy Ron Paultards will never believe it! They will claim its a Bilderberg plot, it's a Zionist conspiracy, or space aliens did it, and everything has been forged, so why bother auditing the Fed?? Besides, by not auditing the Fed, we show the world how CRAZY they are for continuing to call for an audit!"

Anyway, take up your argument with the Democratic Governor of Hawaii and Chris Matthews. Maybe they'll be receptive and back off their attempts to get him to release the birth certificate.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

One Big Happy Crone Family: I just cannot believe how ignorant their supporters(Lefties/Zombies/Progressives/Whatever) have become to all these Limousine Liberals.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/pelos...me-to-an-end-but-taxpayers-left-with-the-bill

Pelosi, Obama Hawaiian Vacations Come to an End, But Taxpayers Left with the Bill

Photo courtesy of renovomedia.com

BY MALIA ZIMMERMAN – Nancy Pelosi’s final days as Speaker of the House were spent at the exotic Four Seasons Resort Hualalai at Historic Ka’upulehu in Kona on the island of Hawaii.
Escorted throughout her trip by a mini security motorcade that included Secret Service and Hawaii County Police officers, Pelosi was seen at St. Michael’s Catholic Church in Kailua-Kona, where she received Communion. Parishioners greeted her warmly, Hawaii Reporter was told. Two police SUVs were on guard outside the hotel during her week long stay.
Pelosi, who traveled to Hawaii by private plane, spent the holidays in Kona last year at the same hotel in an elaborate suite that reportedly rents for $10,000 a night.
The Four Seasons Resort Hualalai’s details its luxurious setting and amenities on its web site: “Gloriously revitalised, this natural tropical paradise offers more than ever to explore – with a newly expanded Spa, beachfront dining, fashion boutiques and new Deluxe Suites, in addition to Jack Nicklaus signature golf. Set on the Big Island’s exclusive Kona-Kohala Coast, this showpiece resort captures the essence of Hawaiian design, culture and tradition.”
Pelosi has her share of allies in Hawaii, including Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who she defended during his successful campaign for governor in 2010. Pelosi, a Democrat who will be replaced as House Speaker by GOP Congressman John Boehner in a matter of days, served in Congress with Abercrombie. When Democratic Gubernatorial Candidate Mufi Hannemann claimed during the primary that Abercrombie was not effective in Congress, Pelosi issued a statement calling Abercrombie “outstanding, effective and courageous.”

Speaker Nancy Pelosi with New Hawaii Governor Neil Abercromie


Hawaii Reporter has requested information from the Police on taxpayers’ costs to guard her. Last year, Hawaii county taxpayers paid more than $21,000.
This year, the county estimates have not yet been provided to Hawaii Reporter; the request is pending. However, the Hawaii Police Department does not release the number of police officers escorting Pelosi, how many hours they dedicated to Pelosi’s security detail, or whether they were being pulled from other duties. No figures could be obtained for her Secret Service escorts.
Her trip coincides with President Barack Obama’s nearly two-week family vacation in Hawaii.
Obama’s trip to Oahu has proved much pricier to state and federal taxpayers.
In a Hawaii Reporter story published last week, some of the cost estimates included:

• Obama’s round trip flight to Hawaii via Air Force One: $1 million (GAO estimates)
• Mrs. Obama’s early flight to Hawaii: $63,000 (White House Dossier)
• Housing in beachfront homes for Secret Service and Seals in Kailua ($1,200 a day for 14 days): $16,800
• Costs for White House staff staying at Moana Hotel: $134,400 ($400 per day for 24 staff) – excluding meals and other room costs
• Local police overtime: $250,000 (2009 costs reported by Honolulu Police Department)
• Ambulance: $10,000 (City Spokesperson)
• TOTAL COST: $1,474,200

UNKNOWN COSTS

• Rental of office building in Kailua on canal
• Security upgrades and additional phone lines to private homes where Obama and friends are staying
• Costs for car rentals and fuel for White House staff staying at Moana Hotel
• Surveillance before the President arrives
• Travel costs for Secret Service and White House staff traveling ahead of the President

Since the Obama holiday story appeared in Hawaii Reporter, readers on the island of Hawaii point to another plane similar to Air Force One (except with a communications dome atop it) that accompanied the President to Hawaii, is at the Hilo Airport.
In addition, costs should have been added for the USAF C-17 cargo aircraft that transported the Presidential limos, helicopters and other support equipment. The flight time between Andrews Air Force Base and Hawaii is at about 20 hours roundtrip, with estimated operating cost of $7,000 per hour (GAO report) for a total of $140,000 per roundtrip. Sources say the United States Marine Corps provides a presidential helicopter, along with pilots and support crews for the test flights, which travel on another C-17 flight at $140,000 for a total of $280,000.
Hawaii Reporter has requested details on the cost of the President’s trip, but the White House will not release any figures, citing security concerns. A spokesperson maintains the costs are in line with other presidential vacations.
Hawaii Reporter has sought to determine the cost of vacations for the current president and last two presidents but it has not received any reply from four emails sent over the last week to the U.S. General Services Administration, the agency that tracks these costs.