CNN cost us Iowa

[A. Havnes]

I went through this when I was with the Perot campaign. You NEVER let this kind of thing fester. I, and many others. begged the Ron Paul campaign to respond thoughtfully and effectively. They didn't. Simple as that. The campaign blew it. And yes, it lost Iowa for Paul.

It will be interesting to see how compromised the media is. There is no question, of course, that the media is compromised. Santorum has baggage galore. In theory, they should vet him on his ethics violations and voting record. My guess is they will not. It will be done by the other candidates sooner or later, but the media dream would be a Santorum vs Obama election. The resultant landslide would be hailed as a mandate for more attacks on liberty. Of course, Romney would only be marginally better, but Santorum is the worst Republican candidate on war and states rights. He is a perfect example of a Nationalist/right wing progressive. That's obvious in his constant rant on American exceptionalism.

The truth here is that Paul scares the hell out of the establishment, The cozy arrangement between the two "sides" is upset by Paul. That arrangement keeps the American people in a thrall of supposed ideology. The ideology is, of course, a myth designed to provide a safety valve for the fake democracy the USA has become. There is always the other "side" to vote for when the duplicity of the "side" that is in power is exposed. The media merely has to nudge the public into the pre approved candidates from the "other" party. Both "sides" are controlled by the same exact special interests. And funded by the same interests also.

The powerful in America do not want any changes. Why would they? Rulers never want to lose their control. Things are great for them. That's myopic. The system is running down, and sooner or later something has to break. It's like a metal cable being stretched passed it's limits. When the tension breaks, the ends tear up anything and anybody nearby. We know it's going to break. Just not when.

You were on the Perot campaign? Epic! But, yes, I agree with you. The question now, however, is where do we go from here? We were hoping Iowa would carry us into NH, but now the stradegy is going to have to be altered. Instead of wondering about the "What ifs" we need to look to the future.

Yes, the newsletters were handled badly, but even when they were the talk of every station, TV or radio, I knew that if Ron Paul or one of his campaign spokesmen even attempted to on and clear this up, it would have been twisted, edited, and made to look like a weak defense. The fact that it didn't knock him below 3rd is a bit shocking, although I was hoping for a definite win last night.

To be perfectly honest, my feelings have sobered quite a bit (I don't drink, by the way) compared to last night. I was such a wreck leading up to the caucuses that I'm sure I looked a bit like Don Knotts. I logged off last night at around 8:30, my last post stating that I felt like throwing up from all the anxiety. I said a prayer and fell to sleep. This wasn't the news I was expecting when I was able to log on this morning, but it was news I was prepared for.

I'm just not sure where to go now. We're still aiming for the nomination, correct? With the way the country is going, I feel like we have to have Paul or we're sunk. We'll be dragged into WW3, our economy can't handle it, and we could very well implode.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

The blame is the corrupt media/gop party officials(fox,cnn,msnbc and the gop establishment party officials). I will continue to support Ron Paul 2012. There is no other option! I will be expecting to vote outside of the gop after the lying media/gop! No One But Paul with or without the gop. ps the only way for us to rebound is to Win NH or SC if we do not win either. It will be over. Ron Paul 2012 in the gop or I will be going 3rd party. Not one gop candidate is even close to the republican platform/ ron paul's platform. This is all i have to say about the matter. The gop/media will burn in hell over this.

Yeah, and have you notice:

FOX NEWS over the past 3+hours... ZERO, I mean ZERO broadcasts of, "RON PAUL Dangerous and NO MORE IRANIAN Missile Launches Clips" roundrobin every 15 minutes by the Producers.

All of a sudden, the IRAN WAR clips have stopped. Well crafted mind control over the past 2 weeks.

 

[A. Havnes]

Yeah, and have you notice:

FOX NEWS over the past 3+hours... ZERO, I mean ZERO broadcasts of, "RON PAUL Dangerous and NO MORE IRANIAN Missile Launches Clips" roundrobin every 15 minutes by the Producers.

All of a sudden, the IRAN WAR clips have stopped. Well crafted mind control over the past 2 weeks.

That's what they're good at, though. Declaring war on the media is difficult because that's where most people get their information from. When the baby boomers turn on the TV to hear Fox and CNN say that a bunch of Ron Paul supporters (read: terrorists) have declared war on the media, it'll get us nowhere.

Granted, I'm glad that we came in the top 3 now that I think about it. We didn't get what we'd hoped for in Iowa, and it's particularly disheartening because we were in a strong first for so long, but Santorum has no place to go after this. His campaign is dismal, unless his "surge" gets him donations. He can't fund a campaign against Romney, plain and simple.

Hopefully, the official campaign learned its lesson to not let these smears slide. And hopefully, this only encourages us, the grassroots, to do our very best in NH. I'm still in this for a win, because I'm afraid that there won't be an America if Romney/Santorum/Obama continues down this path, leads us into WW3, and allows our economy to suffer the collateral damage of it all.

 

[SilentBull]

stop blaming the media - the big campaign's flawed strategies cost us Iowa and is in denial about the fact they used the wrong channels.

If Ron Paul visited all 99 counties like Santorum, we would have won, other direct channels were not maximized.

Disagree. Santorum didn't win because he visted 99 counties. If that were the case, he would have been up in the polls a long time ago. The media pushed a fake poll, and that is what happened.

 

[matt0611]

Disagree. Santorum didn't win because he visted 99 counties. If that were the case, he would have been up in the polls a long time ago. The media pushed a fake poll, and that is what happened.

This. A million times this. Santorum was last place up until around wednesday last week. Santorum really deserves no credit for winning this thing. He wasn't vetted at all. It was the MSM lead by CNN that lead the sheep into voting for that idiot.

And i'm not just being a sore loser, I give Romney credit for winning, Santorum? No...that was a media one-time torpedo. Santorum is a non-starter to win this thing.

 

[TheDriver]

It wasn't just CNN. According to the Desmond Register Poll, Fox News cost us the victory. But there's plenty of blame to go around. The biggest: you can't win this race trying to educate the electorate, if you don't moderate your language to make yourself more appealing--you lose.

 

[abstrusezincate]

It wasn't just CNN. According to the Desmond Register Poll, Fox News cost us the victory. But there's plenty of blame to go around. The biggest: you can't win this race trying to educate the electorate, if you don't moderate your language to make yourself more appealing--you lose.

Too true.

 

[tempest]

stop blaming the media

No let's blame Ron paul for Nazi Hannity's Dec.14th declared "newsletter war", right? Let's blame Ron Paul instead of "Santorum News Network" aka CNN, right?

If Ron Paul visited all 99 counties like Santorum, we would have won, other direct channels were not maximized.

LOL

By the way who are you supporting, walt? Was it Gingrich or Perry I forgot.

 

[cdc482]

It wasn't just CNN. Did you not watch Fox News, MSNBC, or CNBC. They were all smearing Paul.

 

[PastaRocket848]

i think whoever wrote the newsletters lost it for him, and then he blew the chance to save it when he didn't respond to the stories properly. simple as that. the media ran with the ammo he gave them, and he did nothing at all to refute it.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Although, you could argue that if we peaked 2 weeks later, there wouldn't have been any time to attack Ron Paul before the Iowa win.

I guess you weren't following closely last time around? They attacked with the newsletters at the same time then when Ron was much lower in national and Iowa polls and didn't have nearly the organization/presence.

Yeah, I have been saying right here on this forum for over a month that they would spring an all-out attack in the final week before the Caucus. They timed it for maximum effect, and it was preplanned. The attack was going to happen, and it was going to happen at that time, there is no doubt. Nothing would have changed that.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Correct, Republicans don't watch CNN ...

Incorrect. Republicans do watch CNN. And many other channels too.

 

[Kords21]

Look at it this way, all those ropes the media threw Santorum to keep Paul from winning will turn into nooses as they attack Santorum to keep him from beating their golden boy Romney. The media has used up all their smear capital on Paul and really don't have anything but rehashes left. We're tied for delegates from Iowa according to CNN, we have a good campaign structure nationwide and very passionate supporters. This isn't over by a long shot. It would have been nice to place in the top two for press reasons, but it's all about the delegates. Hopefully, the campaign learned a lot from Iowa and going forward we'll keep picking up momentum. The revolutionary war wasn't won by one single battle, but it's because of endurance. The battle is just getting started.

 

[rideurlightning]

We must punch down at Hunstman or we will do terrible in NH. It must be done, the media will push him.

 

[agorist ninja]

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Santorum? No...that was a media one-time torpedo. Santorum is a non-starter to win this thing.

Santorum is the GOP secret weapon. In a general election, he will pull in all of the Independents and some Democrats which are needed to win!

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yeah, I have been saying right here on this forum for over a month that they would spring an all-out attack in the final week before the Caucus. They timed it for maximum effect, and it was preplanned. The attack was going to happen, and it was going to happen at that time, there is no doubt. Nothing would have changed that.

The Campaign needs people that are proactive modelers. not reactive... it get's slimy, but you can see old clips of Stephnopoulus and Carville coming up with sleazy scenarios in beating media/bush in 1992.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yeah, and have you notice:

FOX NEWS over the past 3+hours... ZERO, I mean ZERO broadcasts of, "RON PAUL Dangerous and NO MORE IRANIAN Missile Launches Clips" roundrobin every 15 minutes by the Producers.

All of a sudden, the IRAN WAR clips have stopped. Well crafted mind control over the past 2 weeks.

Exactly. What happened to all of the Iran coverage? Weren't they going to close the Straight of Hormuz and attack our aircraft carrier?

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Incorrect. Republicans do watch CNN. And many other channels too.

CNN and FOX NEWS are on just about every TV in every airport, bar, restaurant, nursing home, visitor center in the country.

Exactly. What happened to all of the Iran coverage? Weren't they going to close the Straight of Hormuz and attack our aircraft carrier?

Has anyone else put the pieces together on the propaganda campaign against Ron Paul?

I can't remember if MSNBC and CNN constantly aired it like FOX, but they did have the same scenario. I bet these executives, producers, and directors are having huge parties flaunting their crafted success.

Hell all 3 of the 24 hour news channels have their employees swapping organizations... people form CNN moving to FOX, FOX people moving to MSNBC/CNBC, CNBC people moving to Bloomberg, NBC people moving to CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, and the Comedy Channel

 

[Dr.3D]

Folks need to stop thinking the media outlets are different from each other. They all work for the same establishment and in unison. The difference we see between them is an illusion meant to make people believe there is actually a two party system. There is only one establishment system and everything else is an illusion.