Climate Alarmists Are So Uneducated

[Travlyr]

If your whole argument against climatechange is based on scientists not advocating pot, then seriously... Send email to a notable climate scientist and ask him/her why he doesn't speak for pot.

e. Send email to Steven Snyder and ask him about pot.

Industrial hemp is not pot. See thread title.

 

[Hiki]

Industrial hemp is not pot. See thread title.

For the 2nd time I like using the word "pot".

 

[vienna]

look ... if you feel that strongly about hemp then do your research and publish a paper. you'll be famous and rich.

 

[Natural Citizen]

It is one thing to claim climate change is anthropologic without scientific proof of it or that the change is even abnormal. It is quite another to claim that raising taxes and/or basing an entire world economy and global control over people will fix it.

That is especially true if growing CO2 levels are claimed to be the culprit and legalizing the most Earth friendly CO2 consuming plant known to humankind is not one of the offered solutions.

Something is shady there. However, perhaps Al Gore has it right. An oceanside estate would be fun. Scheming the people seems to be the way of the modern world.

By controlling the terms of controversy themselves and by means of legalizing it under the control of the pharmaceutical industry alone, this ensures that patents will be developed to undermine it's industrialization elsewhere. MSM has been supporting this aspect of legalization but it isn't so much legalization as it is opening up the door for the monsantos of the world to reconfigger it's very being, change the rules to accomadate and then legally and forever without a word otherwise refer to it as a drug.

 

[Travlyr]

not very convincing on what basis? on your gut feeling on hemp?

Not a gut feeling; he didn't have the facts. All he presented was a talk. Talk is cheap. I have researched industrial hemp for years. It consumes more CO2 per acre than trees and it would most certainly help the environment in multiple ways. To ignore it as a solution is completely disingenuous.

http://hemp-technologies.com/

 

[Travlyr]

For the 2nd time I like using the word "pot".

Yeah, because it is funny and cute and distorts the argument.

 

[Hiki]

Not a gut feeling; he didn't have the facts. All he presented was a talk. Talk is cheap. I have researched industrial hemp for years. It consumes more CO2 per acre than trees and it would most certainly help the environment in multiple ways. To ignore it as a solution is complete disingenuous.

http://hemp-technologies.com/

Like vienna said, take your researches to the univerisites and scientific institutes, I'm sure you'll get credit for this world-saving fact.

 

[Hiki]

Yeah, because it is funny and cute and distorts the argument.

I'm not arguing against pot, believe me. I know of its benefits from CO2 to medical use and from personal experience the great recreational aspect.

 

[Natural Citizen]

look ... if you feel that strongly about hemp then do your research and publish a paper. you'll be famous and rich.

Yes, but that's not how folks do things around here. They try to share ideas with others in a manner that would perhaps help along a common notion. Divided at times, for sure, but he makes some excellent points. At least I think so. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree, I guess.

 

[vienna]

it consumes more co2 per what? per plant or per square meter of it's surface or ...?

and how much hemp would you need to balance the output of man made co2? and how much woods/greenland/... would you have to cut down to grow all that hemp?
and what happens if the hemp decomposes ... and sets the co2 free again ...

anyway ... i don't think mr. schneider ever touched that sort of argument. which has really not much of a point in my opinion. he talks about the things we can measure and nothing else.

 

[Travlyr]

it consumes more co2 per what? per plant or per square meter of it's surface or ...?

and how much hemp would you need to balance the output of man made co2? and how much woods/greenland/... would you have to cut down to grow all that hemp?
and what happens if the hemp decomposes ... and sets the co2 free again ...

anyway ... i don't think mr. schneider ever touched that sort of argument. which has really not much of a point in my opinion. he talks about the things we can measure and nothing else.

Commercial hemp is a very Earth friendly plant. No trees would have to be cut down ... it will save trees.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZvFE53JzDk&feature=related

 

[Zippyjuan]

When you burn a plant or it decays, it releases all of the CO2 it absorbed while it was living so that is not really any significant number to use for anything. And they also release CO2 at night.
http://tiee.esa.org/vol/v6/experiment/soil_respiration/description.html

Decomposition is also important because it is part of the global carbon cycle. The carbon cycle is the cyclical movement of carbon atoms from the atmosphere to the biosphere/lithosphere and back to the atmosphere (Figure 1). In the atmosphere, carbon is in the form of carbon dioxide gas. Through the process of photosynthesis, some of that carbon is converted into organic carbon which makes up organic matter or biomass. Plants and animals perform cellular respiration and convert a small percentage of that organic carbon back to CO2.


A larger portion of that organic carbon in plants is transferred to the soil when plants shed their leaves or when they die. Decomposers then begin their work of breaking down the organic matter. Some of the organic carbon in the organic matter is converted into CO2 which is released into the soil pore spaces leading to relatively high concentrations of CO2 compared to the atmosphere. This difference in concentration causes CO2 to diffuse from the soil to the atmosphere. This movement or flux of CO2 is known as CO2 emission (Figure 1).


Decomposition is not the only source of CO2 in soil. In a forest or grassland ecosystem, plant roots are abundant in the soil and root cells perform cellular respiration, metabolizing carbohydrates that are sent down from the leaves. This CO2 is released to the soil and can be responsible for anywhere between 0 and 60% of a soil’s CO2 emission. Note that CO2 emission is the movement of CO2 from soil to the atmosphere, whereas decomposition and root respiration are processes that produce CO2 in the soil (Figure 2).

Over its lifespan, it is carbon neutral- absorbing it while alive, releasing it after it dies. This is true for all plants.

 

[vienna]

i don't know about hemp and it's relative and absolute amount of consumption of co2. or an oak tree or whatever ...
but i know that an average tree has much more surface than hemp and therefore, without having it checked, i'm quite sure that in absolute terms it'll consume more co2. allthough hemp may consume in relative terms more of it.

but if you are sure about your thesis then do the maths and throw your arguments into the arena of scientific discussion.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Wow, it must be a HUUUGE conspiracy if every climate scientist.. You know, the "professors", are all lying about climate change.

No recourse to "consipracy" is needed to understand why it is in the interest of court intellectuals to push the State's desired understanding or interpretation of things.

That is their job: push the current pro-State party line "consensus" - or concoct new ones that redound to the advantage of their benefactor & paymaster, the State.

It's not consipiracy - it's just the intelligentsia doing what the intelligentsia has always done - and always will do.

 

[Danke]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...scientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/

 

[Travlyr]

i don't know about hemp and it's relative and absolute amount of consumption of co2. or an oak tree or whatever ...
but i know that an average tree has much more surface than hemp and therefore, without having it checked, i'm quite sure that in absolute terms it'll consume more co2. allthough hemp may consume in relative terms more of it.

but if you are sure about your thesis then do the maths and throw your arguments into the arena of scientific discussion.

I'll leave that up to them. I figure that the scientific community is smarter than just some guy on the Internet, so I don't have any faith that they are being honest. They fool the people in order to tax them more and keep the research funds flowing.

When you do find the time to study hemp, you will learn that industrial hemp reduces the building industries carbon footprint dramatically. Hemp textile makes more durable clothes than cotton and more comfortable too so hemp clothes are of higher quality. The plastic panels that are made from hemp for cars don't dent like metal so fender benders become a thing of the past. The plastics made from hemp for food storage and product wrapping are non toxic and biodegradable resulting in less landfill pollution. Hemp grows without the need for pesticides or insecticides and uses less water than cotton or corn to produce a crop. The roots hold the soil together which helps prevent soil erosion. The nutrients it places back into the soil make it great for a rotation crop. It is a food, a medicine, a building material, industrial materials, clothes, and very Earth friendly. I am sure the scientific community knows all that.

That is why the title of this thread is, "Climate Alarmists Are So Uneducated" The alarmists fear monger for taxes and government research grants. Education is the key.

 

[Origanalist]

No recourse to "consipracy" is needed to understand why it is in the interest of court intellectuals to push the State's desired understanding or interpretation of things.

That is their job: push the current pro-State party line "consensus" - or concoct new ones that redound to the advantage of their benefactor & paymaster, the State.

It's not consipiracy - it's just the intelligentsia doing what the intelligentsia has always done - and always will do.

Bingo.

 

[Origanalist]

Not to mention that they would be blackballed and have their careers ruined if they went against the state-approved consensus. Science is just as tainted by state influence as anything else.

I do remember reading about this kind of thing more than a couple of times. Go with the flow, don't rock the boat or else.

 

[Dr.3D]

Climate Change Is Interplanetary - Earth Not Only Planet Heating Up!

 

[Danke]

Climate Change Is Interplanetary - Earth Not Only Planet Heating Up!

Our space probes must be emitting Global Warming gases...