Civil War Breaks Out in L.A. County GOP btwn Neocons and RP supporters

[speciallyblend]

Secession is the only answer.:o

voting locally works to but i hear you

 

[Endgame]

This campaign to infiltrate the GOP has only been going on about two years and you people are already talking about giving up and repeating the failure of the LP. Really we should be trying to get candidates in both parties. This is fucking weak.

 

[speciallyblend]

This campaign to infiltrate the GOP has only been going on about two years and you people are already talking about giving up and repeating the failure of the LP. Really we should be trying to get candidates in both parties. This is fucking weak.

the gop is fucking weak(using your terms), who says anyone will repeat the lp failure. the fact is if we leave the gop, then the gop has failed. the future cannot be written by you or me,but for you to predict the future is kinda crazy . you say it can't be done but the fact is it can or there wouldn't even be a republican party. the existence of the republican party proves the gop can either be history or become history like the whig party. never say never, in some local states it might be sooner rather then later...

the gop will alienate themselves as our movement moves forward. the gop will live or die on their own depending if they ever do anything to grow and correct their useless brandname.

the gop lacks issues and vision this will be their downfall if they do not regonize why they are shrinking and sinking. they have alot of changing to do before they gain any credibility to voters and republicans like myself.

 

[speciallyblend]

This campaign to infiltrate the GOP has only been going on about two years and you people are already talking about giving up and repeating the failure of the LP. Really we should be trying to get candidates in both parties. This is fucking weak.

no one said anything about giving up, it will be the gop leaders that give up if we abandon the gop. the gop does not stand for the ron paul platform and people don't have to be republicans to further liberty. the gop does not copyright liberty or even stand for liberty. the gop has done nothing to even gain credibilty or my vote. use whatever party locally that can help your movement, if it is the gop good, if it isn't ,then that is the gop's fault not ours mine or yours. let the chips fall where they may...

 

[Anti Federalist]

And some on this forum will say that outspoken trutherism doesn't hurt this movement. Puleeez

The "Old Guard" had a whole lot more to bitch about than just 9/11 Truth:

Aminoff made even more personal attacks, calling out plaintiff Vaughn in particular. "For some reason, the Ron Paul backers to a great extent are crackpots," Aminoff allegedly said. Aminoff wrote that, "Robert Vaughn, who was the campaign chairman for Ron Paul in Los Angeles, is a 9/11 truther who believes the government set up 9/11, and is a Holocaust denier. He also is a supporter of Palestinians and believes that Israel is Nazi-like. And ... he wants to be chairman of RPLAC.

Hell, I'd have pegged Aminoff for you, TCL.

He sounds like a neo con in full blown, melt down, mode.

 

[MN Patriot]

Yes. Lets ignore the complete failure of the last two 3rd parties to break away from the Republicans and pretend that for some reason - we can achieve different results.

Sorry, no.

Now I don't particularly care if the Republican party continues to exist or not because another centrist right (from an American perspective) will form with near the same ideas and goals.

America as she is set up will always be a two-party system in the long run. Always Always Always.

Failure is in the past. Learn and grow and succeed in the future.

I am evolving towards the idea of combining the Libertarian and Constitution parties. Rename it the Liberty Constitution Party. Get thousands of us to join both, and any other like minded third party. Then get together and combine them. Start running candidates for EVERY congressional seat, and president, and state legislatures. Put the Republican party out of business, so that we still have a two party system, but then it would clearly define ideologies: freedom vs fascism.

Probably will never happen, though. Third party people are caught up in their egos, running their little parties like it is their own kingdom or something.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

This campaign to infiltrate the GOP has only been going on about two years and you people are already talking about giving up and repeating the failure of the LP. Really we should be trying to get candidates in both parties. This is fucking weak.

We shouldn't use a Party at all. Haven't we learned anything? More people identify as (I) (39%) and more people identify with fiscal conservatism and socially liberal (40%), while not the definition of libertarian, they are more open to our message. When we have D, R, or L we carry the name baggage that carries with that and we waste time having to confront that. Secondly, we have to spend how many millions on worthless primaries! There are a lot of upsides of going Independant and not many cons. The only time I disagree with going (I) is in states that have ridiculous ballot access laws.

I've seen a lot of purges of Ron Paulers from the GOP over the past 2 years, especially in FL. The GOP doesn't want us. I say if by 2012 we haven't made much headway then fuck them. Let them go the way of the whigs, and who knows maybe more people might learn from going (I). I'm watching Jakes candidacy closely.

 

[jrkotrla]

Identification ≠ Voting

more people identify as (I) (39%) today than either party.

unfortunately, they still vote straight down the R or D line without evaluating the choices offered to them. Many times, without even knowing the names of any of the candidates (much less their platforms) before they see the R or D.

remember the little town in NC that tried to remove R's and D's from their ballots? DoJ says people are too stupid to know how to vote if those aren't there.

 

[Endgame]

We shouldn't use a Party at all. Haven't we learned anything? More people identify as (I) (39%) and more people identify with fiscal conservatism and socially liberal (40%), while not the definition of libertarian, they are more open to our message. When we have D, R, or L we carry the name baggage that carries with that and we waste time having to confront that. Secondly, we have to spend how many millions on worthless primaries! There are a lot of upsides of going Independant and not many cons. The only time I disagree with going (I) is in states that have ridiculous ballot access laws.

I've seen a lot of purges of Ron Paulers from the GOP over the past 2 years, especially in FL. The GOP doesn't want us. I say if by 2012 we haven't made much headway then fuck them. Let them go the way of the whigs, and who knows maybe more people might learn from going (I). I'm watching Jakes candidacy closely.

If we give up, they've fucked us. The two-party system is stacked against any other kind of candidate. I can't believe you're willing to just throw in the towel at the first sign of resistance. Who thought this was going to be easy? I'm glad we're actually at the point where they have to fight us.

 

[Matt Collins]

We shouldn't use a Party at all. Haven't we learned anything? More people identify as (I) (39%) and more people identify with fiscal conservatism and socially liberal (40%), while not the definition of libertarian, they are more open to our message. When we have D, R, or L we carry the name baggage that carries with that and we waste time having to confront that. Secondly, we have to spend how many millions on worthless primaries! There are a lot of upsides of going Independant and not many cons. The only time I disagree with going (I) is in states that have ridiculous ballot access laws.

I've seen a lot of purges of Ron Paulers from the GOP over the past 2 years, especially in FL. The GOP doesn't want us. I say if by 2012 we haven't made much headway then fuck them. Let them go the way of the whigs, and who knows maybe more people might learn from going (I). I'm watching Jakes candidacy closely.

Our only choice is to change the Republican Party because there is no other viable option. Nothing else is possible at present.

 

[LibertyWorker]

People need to stop playing games with the domestic terror groups like the Democrats and Republicans. If you give them money you are supporting terrorism if you join there party's you are a terrorist. If you would like to save this country then hunt down the leadership of the two terrorist groups jail them take there money and power from them.

The whole point of the the two party system is to fool people in to thinking they have a voice...... sorry but if you support them the jokes on you!!

We must destroy them before they destroy us......its that simple

You only need to see the polices of the last 10 years to see that they are the radicals not me.

 

[RevolutionSD]

People need to stop playing games with the domestic terror groups like the Democrats and Republicans. If you give them money you are supporting terrorism if you join there party's you are a terrorist. If you would like to save this country then hunt down the leadership of the two terrorist groups jail them take there money and power from them.

The whole point of the the two party system is to fool people in to thinking they have a voice...... sorry but if you support them the jokes on you!!

We must destroy them before they destroy us......its that simple

You only need to see the polices of the last 10 years to see that they are the radicals not me.

This is exactly right which is why I support voluntaryism over centralized government.

 

[LibertyWorker]

This is exactly right which is why I support voluntaryism over centralized government.

I agree the only thing you get with centralized government.. is centralized corruption

 

[TNforPaul45]

What is really needed is for all the alternative parties outside the Federalist (Dem and Repub) control to come together and hold something similar to the Original Continental Congress. Look at all the extremely diverse groups that came together, representing each of the states, and groups within each, and eventually found common ground upon which to unite. Imagine if all the different independent groups came together and focused on what they shared in common instead of what separated them. A "Congress of the Free" if you will.

Once they find that common ground, then it should be used to form a United Independent Party (UIP) or just U. The United party would then have a fair shot at taking on the Federalists. This throws us back into a two-dimensional political paradigm, but please bear with me.

Once we have routed the Federalists from the majority of political offices (focusing on Congress and State Levels before presidency) Then the UIP could remember how they were always forced out of elections, kept off ballots, tricked out of debate participation, and overhaul the election system to make it so that none of these tactics can ever work again.

Then the UIP should disband and each of it's disparate groups be allowed fair and equal participation under the newly reformed election system. This last part doesn't have to happen, but when the the victories come and the differences of the original forming independent parties rise back to the surface, this would be a clean and fair way to allow an amiable separation and for honest ideological debate to occur once again.

Please think the above over before lambasting it in a reactionary way. What would be the alternative? Alone we are but small voices. Together we can shine a light so bright that those who are asleep and those who will us to stay that way will have no choice but to see the end of their ways.

 

[anaconda]

Yes. Lets ignore the complete failure of the last two 3rd parties to break away from the Republicans and pretend that for some reason - we can achieve different results.

Sorry, no.

Now I don't particularly care if the Republican party continues to exist or not because another centrist right (from an American perspective) will form with near the same ideas and goals.

America as she is set up will always be a two-party system in the long run. Always Always Always.

I think it's really a one party system. I like your point that just because a third party may arise, it doesn't mean it won't simply be another incarnation of the military/industrial complex. I am not certain that a viable conservative third party could not arise, however. Imagine that Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, and Ron Paul all win in 2010, then immediately formed a third party, announced themselves as members, and courted conservatives thereafter. Could this be a breakaway strategy?

 

[Flash]

I think it's really a one party system. I like your point that just because a third party may arise, it doesn't mean it won't simply be another incarnation of the military/industrial complex. I am not certain that a viable conservative third party could not arise, however. Imagine that Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, and Ron Paul all win in 2010, then immediately formed a third party, announced themselves as members, and courted conservatives thereafter. Could this be a breakaway strategy?

That would be a viable third party. Starting a party from the ground up doesn't work. There would need to be a reason to do this as well. Like Republicans post-2012 would have to vote for bailouts, ignoring the 'Tea Party' wing of the party.

 

[angelatc]

I see less and less hope for reforming the republican party. We can rely on only penetrating the repubs. You can be elected as a republican by the people and still be denied your right to take elected office. There are legal avenues but those play into enemy hands in other ways.

We are a third party. We need third party infrastructure. AND we need to make republican inroads at the same time.

That belly up attitude has served us sooooo well in the past. Every time somebody throws up a roadblock, the libertarians whimper "that's nor fair!' and crawl off to whine another day.

They need to fight for this. They need to blast out press releases to every media outlet in the country and they need to clamor for Michael Steele to get involved.

If you think the GOP is too tough, then you don't stand a chance against the Democrats.

 

[angelatc]

Imagine that Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, and Ron Paul all win in 2010, then immediately formed a third party, announced themselves as members, and courted conservatives thereafter. Could this be a breakaway strategy?

Palin can and will bury them all with one tweet.

 

[kahless]

Did I miss something here or were the ousted Ron Paul supporters Holocaust deniers and 9/11 truthers? Those views are not endorsed by Ron Paul, C4L and are a recipe for failure.

We should stick to the core values of Campaign For Liberty and Ron Paul of limited government and not support those that wish to self destruct these efforts.

edit: Never mind, did not see that "Vaughn denied these assertions".

 

[anaconda]

Palin can and will bury them all with one tweet.

I honestly don't think Palin can survive a campaign length-exposure without making so many blunders and displays of ignorance that her support erodes in dramatic fashion. It is not helped by the fact that she tries to script her answers as she speaks. She needs extensive coaching and needs to keep it simple.

But I could be wrong and I have touted her at length in the recent past as being a possible wild card that may add greatly to the freedom revolution.

I also think that if two senators joined Ron Paul in forming a new party it would get a ton of media buzz, both good and bad, yet all three would be routinely called upon by the main stream media, and thus be able to spread the message. Don't something like 45% of the voters describe themselves as independents?