Civil disobedience cannot be discussed on RPF...

[TheTexan]

He doesn't have a chance of winning, because that's what the MSM tells you.
If you vote hard, I vote hard, and everybody on this site votes HARD for Vermin Supreme, how can he not win?

Good point. I guess I just don't like his foreign policy.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Good point. I guess I just don't like his foreign policy.

He has a foreign policy??

 

[Bryan]

talking about "civil disobedience" (see above) here is a no-no.

This isn't quite accurate. We can talk about civil disobedience such as in historical cases of it, it just can't be promoted for people to engage in it.

Could anyone explain how the FBI deals with people who organize civil disobedience?

 

[idiom]

The reason civil disobedience, whether violent or not, is completely useless on this forum is because in pretty much all successful historical examples it requires unity of a lot of people willing to go to jail. It took 15 fucking years to find 20,000 people willing to go to New Hampshire. Where are you going to find 50,000 libertarians willing to go to jail for the same thing on the same day?

And when interviewed by the media you need 0% of them to state the real reason they are protesting is about the cover-up of alien landings.

Jeez in another thread people are explaining to me how they want the state to execute people for observing the Sabbath on the wrong day, but consider themselves Ron Paul supporters.

What particular issue do you think all these keyboard warriors are going to show up for, get beaten and go to jail for, in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the justice system?

 

[Dr.3D]

Is this really a Grassroots Central topic?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Is this really a Grassroots Central topic?

Civil disobedience sounds pretty "grassroots" to me... Where else would you put it?

This is where we discuss things the common man might do to promote change, right?? Common man - as in "grassroots"...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The reason civil disobedience, whether violent or not, is completely useless on this forum is because in pretty much all successful historical examples it requires unity of a lot of people willing to go to jail. It took 15 fucking years to find 20,000 people willing to go to New Hampshire. Where are you going to find 50,000 libertarians willing to go to jail for the same thing on the same day?

And when interviewed by the media you need 0% of them to state the real reason they are protesting is about the cover-up of alien landings.

Jeez in another thread people are explaining to me how they want the state to execute people for observing the Sabbath on the wrong day, but consider themselves Ron Paul supporters.

What particular issue do you think all these keyboard warriors are going to show up for, get beaten and go to jail for, in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the justice system?

That's about it in a nutshell. Well done, comrade.

 

[Dr.3D]

Civil disobedience sounds pretty "grassroots" to me... Where else would you put it?

I'll learn where it belongs if/when the admin moves it. You did see the question mark didn't you?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, and each day of our "protest" would have a VERY specific cause... To demonstrate that THE PEOPLE are the rulers, not the goons... I think it's a very VERY important cause...

Can you offer an example? What action to protest what law or cause?

 

[fisharmor]

What particular issue do you think all these keyboard warriors are going to show up for, get beaten and go to jail for, in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the justice system?

Well, I, for one, am not, in any circumstances, actively trying to get beaten up or go to jail.

But to answer your question... there are maybe a half-dozen people on this site I'd be willing to help out in a situation where I'd get beaten up or go to jail.
For fuck's sake, most of the people here still think it was a good idea for Rand to endorse Romney. I'm not carrying a thimbleful of water for any of those fuckwits.

 

[TheTexan]

When being disobedient just remember the key safety rule of following all local laws & regulations.

 

[Dr.3D]

When being disobedient just remember the key safety rule of following all local laws & regulations.

Yes, only in this way can you be assured of your own safety and the safety of others.

 

[osan]

Old news. It's cool on paper, but it almost never works IRL. You also have the legal right to resist an unjust arrest, but you'd be quite foolish to exercise it unless you don't mind being beaten, maimed, or killed.

While I agree regarding the risks, this is nonetheless defeatist talk.

That said, it would seem clear that fundamental alterations in the ways in which people go about their disobedience. Acting singly is very risky now, given the low compunction cops have to kill you absent any provocation. Therefore, travel in packs makes good sense, everyone being well armed and fixed for communication with backup.

Methinks that this needs some serious discussion.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

While I agree regarding the risks, this is nonetheless defeatist talk.

That said, it would seem clear that fundamental alterations in the ways in which people go about their disobedience. Acting singly is very risky now, given the low compunction cops have to kill you absent any provocation. Therefore, travel in packs makes good sense, everyone being well armed and fixed for communication with backup.

Methinks that this needs some serious discussion.

This is true. Let me clarify: if the risk:benefit ratio of any civil disobedience is in one's favor, it is likely to be a worthwhile endeavour and should be considered.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

The reason civil disobedience, whether violent or not, is completely useless on this forum is because in pretty much all successful historical examples it requires unity of a lot of people willing to go to jail. It took 15 fucking years to find 20,000 people willing to go to New Hampshire. Where are you going to find 50,000 libertarians willing to go to jail for the same thing on the same day?

And when interviewed by the media you need 0% of them to state the real reason they are protesting is about the cover-up of alien landings.

Jeez in another thread people are explaining to me how they want the state to execute people for observing the Sabbath on the wrong day, but consider themselves Ron Paul supporters.

What particular issue do you think all these keyboard warriors are going to show up for, get beaten and go to jail for, in sufficient numbers to overwhelm the justice system?

It's not the intent to get caught...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?490272-Break-a-law-today!!
The whole idea of the "exercise" is to get people used to the idea that they can, and do, break stupid laws everyday and there is NO consequence to doing so. The law picked for that day's "exercise" would be something they could easily get away with and not worry about so much as getting a citation. Things like running a stop sign when there's no oncoming traffic and no goons around, or doing someone's manicure and getting paid for it. Even a "pay for sex day" where you could simply pay your wife or significant other for sex that day. No one is getting "caught" or risking any danger in these things. It's simply a mass demonstration that shows how the goons have very little influence on your behavior if you simply change your perception of who and what they are. Supposedly they are "servants". Supposedly "we the people" are supposed to be the masters. This exercise is simply to demonstrate to "the people" that as "masters" they don't have to do what the goons tell them...

 

[Dianne]

Well, I, for one, am not, in any circumstances, actively trying to get beaten up or go to jail.

But to answer your question... there are maybe a half-dozen people on this site I'd be willing to help out in a situation where I'd get beaten up or go to jail.
For fuck's sake, most of the people here still think it was a good idea for Rand to endorse Romney. I'm not carrying a thimbleful of water for any of those fuckwits.

Well I'm not one of them. I still haven't forgiven Rand for that endorsement; nor for the endorsement of Mitch McConnell.

 

[Todd]

Why can't you discuss your calls for civil disobedience in the Hot Topics forum?

Ron Paul discusses it in the open. Why not.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Well, I, for one, am not, in any circumstances, actively trying to get beaten up or go to jail.

But to answer your question... there are maybe a half-dozen people on this site I'd be willing to help out in a situation where I'd get beaten up or go to jail.
For fuck's sake, most of the people here still think it was a good idea for Rand to endorse Romney. I'm not carrying a thimbleful of water for any of those fuckwits.

+rep

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well I'm not one of them. I still haven't forgiven Rand for that endorsement; nor for the endorsement of Mitch McConnell.

Have you "forgiven" Ron for his endorsement of Lamar Alexander? How about both Ron and Rand's endorsement of Ted Cruz?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ron Paul discusses it in the open. Why not.

Ron is talking about it in generalities. That is very different than organizing a specific act.