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Christmas No 1 for Golden State Bombs (End This War, Ron Paul Song)
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I disagree. I think the main goal is to raise awareness and money for Ron Paul. He needs more support than he already has so what good is giving him a bad name by spamming itunes with a bunch of crappy songs? I know you really dont know music but go read the comments on the youtube video of Bombs. There are hundreds of people that say that they cry everytime they see the video and hear the song.....that its the song of our generation.....that people became interested in RP once they saw the video. Bring Ron Paul to the masses is what i say!! Maybe you have some other motive? Sabatoge? Family member who wrote a Ron Paul song and wants to ride the coattails of Golden State?
I dont know, i should ever have joined this board. I should have continued to be a lurker like i have for a while. You are very frustrating to me. I just dont think you get it and never will. Oh well, i think I'm going to leave here now and never come back. I just hope the majority of Ron Paul supporters do not think or act like you because if they do, we are all in big trouble.
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promote bombs, the ron paul song, golden gate period.
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golden state song is incredible so not sure what your talking about!! more agree the song is incredible. try promoting it to radio and college stations and leave this thread for golden state period! you wanna promote other songs then fine but leave it off this thread.
I will match my music resume against yours.
I'm not insulting anybody. You're insulting Ron Paul supporters who are making Ron Paul songs. I am not.
I understand that Golden State fans want to use Ron Paul supporters to hype Golden State. Great.
This is an itunes thread. Not a radio thread. I don't think radio should be involved here at all, unless there is a song on the chart.
Then you take that money and buy radio promotion, if people feel that's money well spent.
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o/` END THIS WAAAAR! o/`
I'm little shocked that you're acting like this. I got the named changed because of YOU and you still, don't seem to be happy. The idea of spamming, and I will say it! songs that are not that good in my opinion to ride the coattails of the itunesbomb will only dilute any efforts to get Ron Pauls name at number 1. This thread is only about the bombs song. and the discussion "should" be about that. Promoting your own RonPaul itunes slam is a little rude. I wouldn't go and promote another money bomb on the teaparty11 thread. I hope you can see your wrong this time, just like I admitted I was wrong to not push for the name in the bombs song. It was only for legal reason that it wasn't, but thats not the point. This is all Im going to say about this and I hope we can put this behind us and move forward. 4liberT come back
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This is my treatise as to why the song should stay titled as "Bombs."
By putting Ron Paul's name on it, we can safely assume it will be relegated to the realm of Ron Paul supporters and once again we will be preaching to the choir, which is a waste of time. By calling this "The Ron Paul Song," the iTunes bomb will effectively be an internal stunt that will be looked upon as Paulbots spamming iTunes. So we get it to the top of iTunes, then what? We give each other high fives and watch the song fall off the map?
Other than supporters, who else is going to download it now? Uninitiated voters will be more likely to listen to the song if it is called "Bombs" and then google the title which will pull up the music video (which has RP in it). This is a subtle marketing strategy that lures people in rather than hits them in the face with politics right off the bat. The music video for this song is a very powerful tool for converting people to Ron Paul and the anti-war message... but it won't work if they are turned off by the title of the song and never listen to it.
Haven't we had enough experience with the media bias yet? Nothing with RP's name on it is going to get outside of our circles... either online or on air. I have a connection to a DJ at the influential radio station KCRW in Los Angeles and was going to ask if he would play "Bombs" on his show. I am fairly certain he won't be able to do that now as the title will be seen as too political.
We can raise a lot more money and reach more voters by keeping RPs name out of it. The song is a great anti-war anthem and sounds very professional and mainstream. It has the potential to really go somewhere if we go about this more subtly. It is not always the best strategy to be blatant... especially while we are trying to reach new audiences.
Take a clue from what has been the political strategy for other campaigns:
Herman Cain's campaign anthem says nothing about him in the song or the title. There are no images of Cain in the music video, but it has a strong message of patriotic protest, with tea party rallies and images of the "Don't tread on me" Gadsden Flag. In 5 months it has nearly 1.2 million views and everyone associates it with Cain despite the fact it's not called the "Herman Cain Song": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw
Meanwhile, the Aimee Allen song titled Ron Paul Revolution has had 400K views over FOUR YEARS, and never got heard outside of RP circles.
Also, the ad against Newt that the Ron Paul's campaign put out yesterday has gone viral, and has upwards of 200,000 views in less than 24 hours. There isn't even one image or mention of RP in the video. Only a short logo at the end. Yet, it has been our most effective ad yet.
I read angry complaints from some supporters who thought the new campaign ad should have shown Ron Paul, but the video never would have been spread around the online media if it was a direct face off between Newt and Paul. Good thing the political strategists made their own decisions on this rather than taking a vote from supporters who most likely would have rallied to have Ron all over it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=youtu.be
It was my understanding that the goal was to use this song to spread the message to new voters who aren't familiar with RP yet. What is the point of doing this otherwise? iTunes takes the majority of the money for each download, so it's not even an effective fundraising strategy. It's only worthwhile if we intend to reach out to new people, which will only work if it has a mainstream title.
Remember when Karl Rove was on Greta and he said the organization of RP supporters is unparalleled, yet we are talking to ourselves? This is one of those "talking to ourselves" moments:
“Ron Paul needs to broaden his base,” Rove suggested, and “figure out a message that reaches outside of the people he’s already got for him.” While he complimented the Ron Paul base as “passionate” and “well-organized,” he concluded “they seem to spend a lot of time talking to themselves and he spends a lot of time talking to them,” and that won’t attract voters."
SO, for those of you who were especially vocal about this and said you wouldn't support the iTunes bomb unless the title was changed to "The Ron Paul Song"... you are effectively shooting the outreach effort in the foot. This song will stay in the kiddie pool with all the other Ron Paul songs because you insisted we mark our territory and burden it with political baggage. (and yes, Parocks, I'm talking to you)
By putting Ron Paul's name on it, we can safely assume it will be relegated to the realm of Ron Paul supporters and once again we will be preaching to the choir, which is a waste of time. By calling this "The Ron Paul Song," the iTunes bomb will effectively be an internal stunt that will be looked upon as Paulbots spamming iTunes. So we get it to the top of iTunes, then what? We give each other high fives and watch the song fall off the map?
Other than supporters, who else is going to download it now? Uninitiated voters will be more likely to listen to the song if it is called "Bombs" and then google the title which will pull up the music video (which has RP in it). This is a subtle marketing strategy that lures people in rather than hits them in the face with politics right off the bat. The music video for this song is a very powerful tool for converting people to Ron Paul and the anti-war message... but it won't work if they are turned off by the title of the song and never listen to it.
Haven't we had enough experience with the media bias yet? Nothing with RP's name on it is going to get outside of our circles... either online or on air. I have a connection to a DJ at the influential radio station KCRW in Los Angeles and was going to ask if he would play "Bombs" on his show. I am fairly certain he won't be able to do that now as the title will be seen as too political.
We can raise a lot more money and reach more voters by keeping RPs name out of it. The song is a great anti-war anthem and sounds very professional and mainstream. It has the potential to really go somewhere if we go about this more subtly. It is not always the best strategy to be blatant... especially while we are trying to reach new audiences.
Take a clue from what has been the political strategy for other campaigns:
Herman Cain's campaign anthem says nothing about him in the song or the title. There are no images of Cain in the music video, but it has a strong message of patriotic protest, with tea party rallies and images of the "Don't tread on me" Gadsden Flag. In 5 months it has nearly 1.2 million views and everyone associates it with Cain despite the fact it's not called the "Herman Cain Song": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw
Meanwhile, the Aimee Allen song titled Ron Paul Revolution has had 400K views over FOUR YEARS, and never got heard outside of RP circles.
Also, the ad against Newt that the Ron Paul's campaign put out yesterday has gone viral, and has upwards of 200,000 views in less than 24 hours. There isn't even one image or mention of RP in the video. Only a short logo at the end. Yet, it has been our most effective ad yet.
I read angry complaints from some supporters who thought the new campaign ad should have shown Ron Paul, but the video never would have been spread around the online media if it was a direct face off between Newt and Paul. Good thing the political strategists made their own decisions on this rather than taking a vote from supporters who most likely would have rallied to have Ron all over it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY&feature=youtu.be
It was my understanding that the goal was to use this song to spread the message to new voters who aren't familiar with RP yet. What is the point of doing this otherwise? iTunes takes the majority of the money for each download, so it's not even an effective fundraising strategy. It's only worthwhile if we intend to reach out to new people, which will only work if it has a mainstream title.
Remember when Karl Rove was on Greta and he said the organization of RP supporters is unparalleled, yet we are talking to ourselves? This is one of those "talking to ourselves" moments:
“Ron Paul needs to broaden his base,” Rove suggested, and “figure out a message that reaches outside of the people he’s already got for him.” While he complimented the Ron Paul base as “passionate” and “well-organized,” he concluded “they seem to spend a lot of time talking to themselves and he spends a lot of time talking to them,” and that won’t attract voters."
SO, for those of you who were especially vocal about this and said you wouldn't support the iTunes bomb unless the title was changed to "The Ron Paul Song"... you are effectively shooting the outreach effort in the foot. This song will stay in the kiddie pool with all the other Ron Paul songs because you insisted we mark our territory and burden it with political baggage. (and yes, Parocks, I'm talking to you)
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Some news, RevPac will be posting an article about the itunes bomb by the end of the day. Ill post it as soon as I see it. This will help get the word out.
http://www.revolutionpac.com/
http://www.revolutionpac.com/
I hope your wrong
I sent this to the band and their publicist. I think we should leave it to the professionals to make the call. http://www.msopr.com/client-roster/
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To those of you emailing journalists about the itunes bomb and want to sound a little more professional.
Here is some more information to pitch to the press, the band's song 'All Roads Lead Home' was featured in this summer's smash hit 'Dolphin Tale' trailer. The song was originally written for "Henry Poole is Here" starring Luke Wilson.
Lead singer/songwriter James Grundler has also works with Grammy Winning Producer John Shanks. Together they wrote Irish pop band's hit single 'Safe'; which is also featured in 'Dolphin Tale' at the end of the movie as footage of the real dolphin is shown.
'Safe' can also be heard on Fox's XFactor with Simon Cowell.
They've had lots of music placed in television shows and commercials like Discovery Channel's Deadliest Catch, MTV's Teen Mom, CBS Flashpoint, and ABC's Castle.
Before Golden State, James head up a band called Paloalto who were #14 on Billboard's Heatseekers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpKG-nPhZdE&ob=av2e
Here is some more information to pitch to the press, the band's song 'All Roads Lead Home' was featured in this summer's smash hit 'Dolphin Tale' trailer. The song was originally written for "Henry Poole is Here" starring Luke Wilson.
Lead singer/songwriter James Grundler has also works with Grammy Winning Producer John Shanks. Together they wrote Irish pop band's hit single 'Safe'; which is also featured in 'Dolphin Tale' at the end of the movie as footage of the real dolphin is shown.
'Safe' can also be heard on Fox's XFactor with Simon Cowell.
They've had lots of music placed in television shows and commercials like Discovery Channel's Deadliest Catch, MTV's Teen Mom, CBS Flashpoint, and ABC's Castle.
Before Golden State, James head up a band called Paloalto who were #14 on Billboard's Heatseekers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpKG-nPhZdE&ob=av2e
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I hope your wrong
Again JT... you're doing a fantastic job with this. Hopefully we can get more to support this promotion even though it's being sabotaged by people with egos. I have a lady from a online social site who is working on getting it played on a local station. She claims they talk about Ron Paul all the time. I'll update you when I find out more.
thanks. EVERYONE including Parocks
all want the same thing. We are a team, we are the bomb squad. Lets all be friends and laugh about this annoying situation. But at least we have a situation to be annoyed about. We all believe in the principle of this project and thats whats going to make this work. Things to do list
A promotion thread. Crotale said he could do it.
The Revpac are writing a an article about the itunes bomb as we speak. As soon as its up we have to post it far and wide. Ive been emailing the journalists news tips that wrote about the Ron Paul cookbook. They are probably more likely to write a fun article about the itunes bomb.
Good speed
Ron Paul 2012
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Just my 2 cents: (The Ron Paul Song) should be the video version ala YouTube, and the original song stay Bombs. But I'm down for supporting whatever comes of this.
JT... I hope I'm wrong too. I think you are doing a great job, and don't envy all the noise you are getting over this. I have been backing you up on the Daily Paul (as Toledano) and really want to see this iTunes bomb be a success. If supporters can't get behind the song unless it says Ron Paul on it, then perhaps we don't have a choice. I'm just tired of preaching to the choir. We need new votes badly.
And for what it's worth, I believe the music video should stay titled "Bombs (The Ron Paul song)" but think we are hindering our outreach efforts by burdening the song itself with that name. It needs to fly free so we can reach as many uninitiated voters as possible
And for what it's worth, I believe the music video should stay titled "Bombs (The Ron Paul song)" but think we are hindering our outreach efforts by burdening the song itself with that name. It needs to fly free so we can reach as many uninitiated voters as possible
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4liberT was being insulting to me and to other acts. You can read what 4liberT said to me, and what my replies were. 4liberT could very well be a Golden State fanboy. It's good for Golden State to have fanboys. I'm not against Golden State, I'm in support. Everything else you're saying, I'll just go with
sounds good.
Heard of Palo Alto. Are legit. Nice credentials up and down the line. Leaving aside philosophical arguments discussed before that aren't relevant to the merit of Golden State.
I hope your wrong
She's wrong. (and should she be calling me out by name?)
Getting on the itunes charts is like a billboard, or a signwave, or a blimp.
But it shows we're mighty.
Golden State is legit. But so's Jordan Page. And there are other songs and other acts that are legit. Not against Golden State. Not sure why people should hype Golden State instead of any number of other acts, but I'm in favor of hyping acts that have Ron Paul in the title. If that includes Golden State, great. And the fact that Golden State is legit is definitely a plus.
