Christians and Government

[dblee]

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That is TRUE. And that's why we should all try to be more TOLERANT.

I am sick of seeing posts bashing on christians as if MOST people who support paul are atheists. This is simply not true.

I'm here manning the phone banks (they're off currently due to the superbowl) and let me tell you, 99.99% of the people i talk to are commited christians.

So if we don't open this tent up and welcome some of these voters we are going to LOSE this election.

 

[tommy7154]

Ugh i'm getting deleted again aren't I. It really only helps to create more hostility when posts get deleted...let me try this:

Label me a hippy (you have the right ) but god or no god I believe all of us are here because we ALL believe in this country and in our freedom, we ALL believe in peace, we ALL want kindness and love. We all have faith in one way or another and we all have hope.

Some may believe god has sent him here for us, and some may believe he is the closest thing there is to a god in this world, but regardless the fact remains that Dr Ron Paul is here and we ALL want him to be the next president of the USA.

 

[Molly1]

I am a proud Christian Ron Paul supporter. Say what you will, I will never leave! Ron Paul FTW!

I was just thinking the same thing. No one could drive me away from this exceptional man.

I am waiting on God to drop the scales from the eyes of the Christians who have been used mightily by a small group whom I doubt even believes in God.

Ron Paul is as close to Jesus as you'll ever see walking on this earth, save Jesus himself.

30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

---Mark 12

 

[hillbilly]

Sometimes there is a spiritual reason why non Christians are so filled with anger against Christians that they would even
drive away potential supporters of Ron just so they can rail against Christians.


It's been covered before after earlier primaries/caucuses that all of this vitriol against Christians on this board
has driven away potential Christian voters for Ron.

Dare I say spirits are involved? Spirits that hate God. There, I said it. Demonic influences control the actions of some people,
and the people are totally unaware.

Atheists and Agnostics - please THINK before you attack on this forum those that believe in God.

It HURTS the campaign. And electing Ron is why we're ALL here for isn't it?

Releasing your anger against Christians is NOT worth driving away potential supporters of Ron. Is it?

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Exactly.

 

[tommy7154]

That is TRUE. And that's why we should all try to be more TOLERANT.

I am sick of seeing posts bashing on christians as if MOST people who support paul are atheists. This is simply not true.

I'm here manning the phone banks (they're off currently due to the superbowl) and let me tell you, 99.99% of the people i talk to are commited christians.

So if we don't open this tent up and welcome some of these voters we are going to LOSE this election.

I'm not sure what you quoted but I would agree that more Christians than atheists support Ron Paul. Statistics for Christians and atheists in the US should point that out to anyone.

I welcome anybody of any religion that supports Dr Paul.

 

[disciple]

I was just thinking the same thing. No one could drive me away from this exceptional man.

I am waiting on God to drop the scales from the eyes of the Christians who have been used mightily by a small group whom I doubt even believes in God.

Ron Paul is as close to Jesus as you'll ever see walking on this earth, save Jesus himself.

30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

---Mark 12

Right on.

 

[yaz]

huckabee quotes a liberal in one debate:

http://www.youtube.com/v/uzg9SEisBnk
"pottery barn rule, if you break it you fix it" would make a good youtube video.

 

[tommy7154]

I was just thinking the same thing. No one could drive me away from this exceptional man.

I am waiting on God to drop the scales from the eyes of the Christians who have been used mightily by a small group whom I doubt even believes in God.

Ron Paul is as close to Jesus as you'll ever see walking on this earth, save Jesus himself.

30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

---Mark 12

I'm an atheist and the last thing I would want is to drive you or anyone away from Ron Paul. In fact i'd go as far as saying that any atheist that wanted to drive anyone away from Ron Paul is not only a lousy atheist but a lousy human being.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is not a thread to debate the pros and cons of Christianity.

Please do not hijack this thread.

Thank You.

 

[Molly1]

I'm an atheist and the last thing I would want is to drive you or anyone away from Ron Paul. In fact i'd go as far as saying that any atheist that wanted to drive anyone away from Ron Paul is not only a lousy atheist but a lousy human being.

You won't, don't worry.


I hope you will bear with me, though, as I talk to my fellow Christians.

You can just skip over my posts if you want.

God has been trying to get through to them for a long time, bringing down their false leaders one after another.

 

[Wyurm]

perhaps it is the speed with which these threads move off the front page, but I haven't seen too many anti-christian postings. I have seen a few Huckabee postings and you need to be sure not to confuse the two. Huckabee wants to make the Constitution Christian. Allow me to put this in perspective. Imagine someone said they want the Constitution to enforce Jewish, Islamic, Athiest, or Wiccan pricipals? Who would be ok with that? Only that specific religion's members would. While the Constitution has its roots in Christian priciples, it is not only to preserve the inherent rights of Christians.

The Constitution was intended to preserve everyone's rights regardless of religion. To use the Constitution as a way to alter this Constitutional republic so that it becomes a theocracy is both absurd and horrific to those who are not evangelical Christians. Does speaking out against this constitute oppressing Christians? No, rather it is just showing concern about Huckabee's threats of oppression. Now, having not seen the statements you are upset about, I can not speak on what those people are saying. However, I should hope that it was not aimed at Christians, but rather at Huck's statements.

 

[Molly1]

huckabee quotes a liberal in one debate:

http://www.youtube.com/v/uzg9SEisBnk
"pottery barn rule, if you break it you fix it" would make a good youtube video.

tweedledumb and tweedledee

If you break it, you fix it--the pottery barn rule.

As if a human life is just some cheap trinket that can be glued back together after its destroyed.

Huckabee has been trained by the best.

 

[tommy7154]

Yes Molly not a problem

Liberty i'd suggest making a section for "Christians for Ron Paul" or something like that where it could be made clear that anyone coming in there debating Christianity itself would be deleted or banned.

I know of another popular forum that has its own section for religion because of the problems people had staying on topic.

 

[zbus12]

I'm a Christian, and I rail against "christians" all the time because they are phony. NWO brainwashed hacks.

 

[ButchHowdy]

As the Republican Party has been hijacked by the Neocons, Christianity has been hijacked by Evangelical Zionism and unless God removes the scales from the eyes of the deceived, they rarely listen to reason, let alone scripture such as: "Blessed are the Peacemakers . . . "

In a survey conducted some time ago by Time/CNN, over one third of America's 40-50 million evangelical Christians said they support Israel because they believe the Bible teaches that Jesus cannot return before the Jews possess their own state in all of the Holy Land. They believe that the nation of Israel will play a pivotal role in the unfolding of "end-time" events.

 

[hillbilly]

perhaps it is the speed with which these threads move off the front page, but I haven't seen too many anti-christian postings. I have seen a few Huckabee postings and you need to be sure not to confuse the two. Huckabee wants to make the Constitution Christian. Allow me to put this in perspective. Imagine someone said they want the Constitution to enforce Jewish, Islamic, Athiest, or Wiccan pricipals? Who would be ok with that? Only that specific religion's members would. While the Constitution has its roots in Christian priciples, it is not only to preserve the inherent rights of Christians.

The Constitution was intended to preserve everyone's rights regardless of religion. To use the Constitution as a way to alter this Constitutional republic so that it becomes a theocracy is both absurd and horrific to those who are not evangelical Christians. Does speaking out against this constitute oppressing Christians? No, rather it is just showing concern about Huckabee's threats of oppression. Now, having not seen the statements you are upset about, I can not speak on what those people are saying. However, I should hope that it was not aimed at Christians, but rather at Huck's statements.

I think Pauline already addressed this:

But it is demonstrable that this was the view of our founders, so are saying that we should not go to our founders for the solutions for our problems.

Israel was constantly and consistently punished for their rejection of Him, and who are we to think that He will not do the same thing to us if we reject Him.

Sorry if you think this is extreme, but I have yet to see a naturalistic alternative that provides the foundational beliefs necessary to make objective claims to moral laws that do not have to borrow from a Christian view of reality.

If you would like, I would be glad to provide quotes from our founding fathers asserting the same ideas.

Yes, the Constitution was written/designed to preserve our rights--our God given rights.

 

[weatherbill]

As a christian, I've had plenty of the most ignorant statements given me from Huckabee supporters. What I can say is do what dr paul preaches.....see people as individuals and not as groups......

one christian said to me over the war in iraq "The amalikites", like the ancient people of iraq are the amalikites, so it's ok to go to war with them....... I thoguht this christian guy is twisted to the hilt and is living in old testament judaism.......just rediculous! I told the guy we are under the new covenant and no longer under the old, where there is only people, no race creeds or colors involved........ he kept his stupidity......oh well....... some people we will never be able to talk any sense into........ you just gotta go on and forget those ignoramouses.

 

[Molly1]

I'm a Christian, and I rail against "christians" all the time because they are phony. NWO brainwashed hacks.

yes, but isn't wonderful watching God raising up his sons, no matter what they call themselves.

Romans 9:26
and, "It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'sons of the living God.' "

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yes Molly not a problem

Liberty i'd suggest making a section for "Christians for Ron Paul" or something like that where it could be made clear that anyone coming in there debating Christianity itself would be deleted or banned.

I know of another popular forum that has its own section for religion because of the problems people had staying on topic.

The point is, do we need to be bashing Christians or anyone of any other religion, for that matter? They are free to believe what they want to believe. You bashing them here, only turns them away from Dr. Paul.

Have we forgotten that Dr. Paul and his wife, Carol, are Christians?

 

[Molly1]

As the Republican Party has been hijacked by the Neocons, Christianity has been hijacked by Evangelical Zionism and unless God removes the scales from the eyes of the deceived, they rarely listen to reason, let alone scripture such as: "Blessed are the Peacemakers . . . "

In a survey conducted some time ago by Time/CNN, over one third of America's 40-50 million evangelical Christians said they support Israel because they believe the Bible teaches that Jesus cannot return before the Jews possess their own state in all of the Holy Land. They believe that the nation of Israel will play a pivotal role in the unfolding of "end-time" events.

They are being misled by people like Hagee, who is a friend of Huckabee's by the way. Hagee has just announced that Jesus is not the Messiah. Since "Christ" is the Greek word for Messiah (which Hagee knows), Hagee has just defined himself as the spirit of the anti-christ.

Hagee has a church of about 19 million and a tv evangelistic following of about 90 million. He is paid well for his lies. He is teaching his following that if they can hurry up Armageddon, they will be raptured before any bad stuff happens to them. It's total insanity, and we need to pray that their eyes are opened to the untruths they are being fed by those who would use them as political pawns to achieve their own dastardly ends.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.