Christian Yoga? It's a Stretch...(Is Yoga Demonic? Yes, it is.)

I hope I follow a different Christ than one you and other people here talk about. You peach with your mouth and your hands through words and type, but the words are not resonating with your actions. You are pushy, judgmental, rude, and condescending; all negative traits the Christ I believe in would look down upon. Your reply to most is "You do not understand the Scripture," or "your knowledge is limited." The scripture is one thing. What you and other Christians need to realize is hardly anyone has the time to pick up the Bible and read it, so their first real dose of Christianity comes from the actions of so-called Christians.

That being said, within this thread you have said or done nothing that makes me want to look any closer for your 'Christ.' You have done your Christ a great disservice.

I'm sorry but that has got to be one of the most arrogant, lazy and idiotic comments you've ever made. You do have time to read the Bible, but you have chosen not to do it. You chose not to make the time for the Word of God. Instead of spending countless hours on the forum or in chat, why don't you sit down and read some Scripture? The fact is, you don't care enough to read the Bible.
 
I'm sorry but that has got to be one of the most arrogant, lazy and idiotic comments you've ever made. You do have time to read the Bible, but you have chosen not to do it. You chose not to make the time for the Word of God. Instead of spending countless hours on the forum or in chat, why don't you sit down and read some Scripture? The fact is, you don't care enough to read the Bible.

C'mon Eduardo.. Please don't presume to suggest you know her bible reading habits or her understanding of the bible, or her desire to know such things.. You don't know her. What she said was to make a point..
 
Once again, you took a broad statement and somehow twisted it into a personal attack. A family with two working parents, sometimes working 9-5 or later even, may not have time to read the Bible. Hell, most people who have never read it don't have an interest in it. How do you expect to preach the word of God to those who seem to not care? Through actions, because they won't pick up a Bible. Telling them they are lazy, idiotic, etc certainly won't inspire them to pick it up.

Every comment I make is idiotic to you; but buying 350-euro jeans, and then representing a Christ that believes in frugality, seems idiotic to me. We're even.
 
Once again, you took a broad statement and somehow twisted it into a personal attack. A family with two working parents, sometimes working 9-5 or later even, may not have time to read the Bible. Hell, most people who have never read it don't have an interest in it. How do you expect to preach the word of God to those who seem to not care? Through actions, because they won't pick up a Bible. Telling them they are lazy, idiotic, etc certainly won't inspire them to pick it up.

It is idiotic and it's just an excuse for laziness to suggest anyone does not have the time to read the Bible.

Every comment I make is idiotic to you; but buying 350-euro jeans, and then representing a Christ that believes in frugality, seems idiotic to me. We're even.

Not everything you say I find idiotic, but I do find you theologically inconsistent. You cannot pretend to be a Christian yet reject the Scripture. You cannot be a Christian and believe that there is another path to salvation except for by and through Jesus Christ.
 
It is idiotic and it's just an excuse for laziness to suggest anyone does not have the time to read the Bible.



Not everything you say I find idiotic, but I do find you theologically inconsistent. You cannot pretend to be a Christian yet reject the Scripture. You cannot be a Christian and believe that there is another path to salvation except for by and through Jesus Christ.

There's that rigity Christ was famous for.. Oh wait..
 
There's that rigity Christ was famous for.. Oh wait..

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


Yeah, he was quite rigid about that.
 
There's that rigity Christ was famous for.. Oh wait..

Actually, Christ was quite rigid. If you remember, "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Now, I know how easily it is for humans to find different interpretations in various verses, but this one seems quite straightforward. NOTE (because it seems some have become quite emotional in their posts), this is not to say the I am saved over them or that I condemn or judge anyone. Rather, it is Christ Who said this and taught this. If you have beef with this, then bring it to Christ.
 
Once again, you took a broad statement and somehow twisted it into a personal attack. A family with two working parents, sometimes working 9-5 or later even, may not have time to read the Bible. Hell, most people who have never read it don't have an interest in it. How do you expect to preach the word of God to those who seem to not care? Through actions, because they won't pick up a Bible. Telling them they are lazy, idiotic, etc certainly won't inspire them to pick it up.

Every comment I make is idiotic to you; but buying 350-euro jeans, and then representing a Christ that believes in frugality, seems idiotic to me. We're even.

If God was really God, he would have the bible condensed to less than 1 page and have it really simple so anyone can understand it.
 
I think Christ's own words are clear:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 3:16

That's actually John 14:6, but yes, Christ was very clear about it.

John 3:16 also makes an excellent point

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Its essentially the same thing, but John 14:6 quotes Jesus directly.
 
That's actually John 14:6, but yes, Christ was very clear about it.

John 3:16 also makes an excellent point

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Its essentially the same thing, but John 14:6 quotes Jesus directly.
Indeed. I was going to post both originally and removed the wrong reference.
 
If God was really God, he would have the bible condensed to less than 1 page and have it really simple so anyone can understand it.

It is already so simple that anyone can understand it.

It can be condensced into two sentences

Matthew 4:10, "You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve."

And

John 14:6, "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
 
All good and true moostraks, but I think you misunderstand my statement about whether defending the truth belittles the spark of love in our fellow men. Was St. Stephen the first martyr belittling the spark of love in the fellow Jews by proclaiming that Jesus is the Son of God as he was being stoned to death by them? Should he have said instead 'fine everyone, we all worship the same Father so let's just all get along'? Indeed, by his death many came to Christ and were saved. Similarly with other events in the history of the Church, where men and women converted many to Christ by their own blood being shed in order to testify to the truth that Jesus is Lord and is risen from the dead, not shirking from being witnesses of Christ, for He Himself said that 'Blessed are those who are persecuted for my sake'. Defending such truths have led countless others to salvation and has not only ignited the spark of love in their fellow man but the divine flame of love filling their entire spirit.

Matthew 10:

“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it."

Moostraks, the problem is not defending the truth, but how we defend the truth. If it accusatory or mocking, then it can create ill will and contention as you said and is counterproductive in our mission as servants of Christ, and I am guilty of such inappropriate methods. But that doesn't mean that the truths are still not truths because I or anyone else have difficulty relaying it to others who may have different ideas of what is truth.

You may teach your one children differently from the other, but I imagine you still maintain the same truths to them all. And the truth spoken by Jesus Christ are not ones we can mince and twist and pick and choose if we are to consider ourselves Christians. Christ has said clearly Who He is and how all men find their salvation, namely through Him alone. If another person thinks that I cast them aside because of repeating this, then they cast not me aside, but Christ Himself Who first spoke it. Our witness is not to sugarcoat and say 'its okay, its okay, Christ is just one way in which God came to reveal Himself to the world and we can find salvation in different ways'. No. Our witness is that in Christ alone do we find salvation, in Christ alone has the Father been revealed in full, and in Christ alone do find eternal life. Neither casting others to condemnation or judging the hearts of others, but focusing upon our own sins and failings and defending the Christian truths even with our very blood. As for everyone else, we pray for them to come to the truth and place their eternal souls in the merciful hands of God.

again from the same chapter in Mark:

“ And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved...

“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household! Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.

“Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops. And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

I think where we differ is on what the church is and the means and methods we are supposed to employ in achieving the end goal of a people who know and worship a living God. Now we can sit here and quote scripture back and forth that we both interpret differently or we can agree to disgree. I know your church's stance on protection of the institution, for which I am glad that they credit the previously mentioned clause to tolerate those who are not Orthodox to be possibly part of the saved. (especially considering the fact that I still don't see how I can get past my problem with icons so i will more than likely not be Orthodox anywhere in the near future :))

I read your verses you quote and I think that they are perfectly applicable to those who place the importance of the institution of religion above the point put forth:

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Now being as people are fallible then I am pretty sure that our arrogance will cause the worldly institutions to contain some biases. Now I can spend my time honoring God by picking motes out of other people's eyes or I can do my best to live up to the commandments we are called to embrace as our calling as Christians. I leave it up to God to point out where the institutions of man are inaccurate through a manner of cause and effect.

Now if you were to ask 7 of my children to define their mother you will get a different perspective of their mother than child 8 will give you, but I am still the same person and I still have the same expectations of them. When they fail in those expectations then their presence is not tolerated ( ex. 2 year old tirades from a 20 year old) and so through cause and effect they understand and come to live up to the expectations that are put forth for them or lose fellowship, it all hinges on what is more important to them (fellowship or to continue on a self destructive course). If one of the 7 children wants to explain to number 8 how to regain fellowship, all well and good, but they rarely do as it causes more strife for them when cause and effect usually brings number 8 to her senses. I think we make greater strides with people by living the commandments and allowing the light Of God to speak through us then by analyzing the means by which other people have come to know the ultimate existence of Love.

(I hope this makes sense as I am trying to hurry. My children are waiting for the next round of lessons since they just finished lunch. I might reread later and see if I can add clarity when I have time...)
 
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