Chris Matthews wants to see Obama long form birth certificate

[Tinnuhana]

What if there's something else on the long form that would be embarassing to the family, besides place of birth? I'm not trying to debate one way or the other, but could that be a possible reason for not releasing it?

 

[klamath]

What if there's something else on the long form that would be embarassing to the family, besides place of birth? I'm not trying to debate one way or the other, but could that be a possible reason for not releasing it?

Like what? He was born with his head on backwards. Just kidding.

 

[coastie]

Like what? He was born with his head on backwards up his ass? Just kiddingSeriously.

Fixed that for you.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I am not a birther but there are probably 10 million mexican babies intentionally born in America because there are quite a few benefits being born an American over a Mexican or Kenyan. His mother could not have been so stupid to think there would be any advantage to Barry, being born in Kenya.

Finally someone gets it

 

[spudea]

no president in the history of the united states has been required by law to release the long form birth certificate to the public at large. Anyone that disagrees with this fact needs to stop attacking Obama and advocate for changing the law.

Otherwise, you look like a nut job conspiracy wacko racist.

Why pay legal fees to defend this you ask? Because they have to, they can't just not show up for court as the defendants when a case is brought against him. The birthers are the ones trying to prosecute the case, so the defendant is required to show up.

 

[Bruno]

no president in the history of the united states has been required by law to release the long form birth certificate to the public at large. Anyone that disagrees with this fact needs to stop attacking Obama and advocate for changing the law.

Otherwise, you look like a nut job conspiracy wacko racist.

Why pay legal fees to defend this you ask? Because they have to, they can't just not show up for court as the defendants when a case is brought against him. The birthers are the ones trying to prosecute the case, so the defendant is required to show up.

1) This is the only president in history whose birthplace was in question.
2) Why ya gotta throw race into it?
3) So, he can't just actually appear in court, he is FORCED to spend millions to stay out of court, instead of producing a birth certificate? Thats ridiculous.
4) Conspiracy theorist? Perhaps I am, enough conspiracy theories have proven to be true. Nut job, wacko, racicst? Certainly not. I would just like to see the birth certificate.

 

[TheDriver]

The newspaper announcements prove nothing, you can call in and announce the birth of your child.

So, your argument is Obama's parents lied in 1961?

 

[Bruno]

So, your argument is Obama's parents lied in 1961?

That's certainly a possibility, and wouldn't be the first time someone lied to attempt to claim citizenship.

There are a few dozen reasons (or millions, if you look at it another way) to question where Obama was born.

 

[TheDriver]

That's certainly a possibility, and wouldn't be the first time someone lied to attempt to claim citizenship.

There are a few dozen reasons (or millions, if you look at it another way) to question where Obama was born.

It's certainly a possibility, I suppose.

This governor claims to have known the Obama's growing up, but unless he was there and saw the live birth, his 2 cents doesn't solve the question.

 

[MelissaCato]

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So, your argument is Obama's parents lied in 1961?

Maybe is was all planned from the very begining. I did hear Obama was related to some politically convient people's.

 

[specsaregood]

1) This is the only president in history whose birthplace was in question.

Not quite. "The 21st president, Chester A. Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility. "

 

[Vessol]

He's not a birther, but he's using the same argument, lol.

 

[Bruno]

Not quite. "The 21st president, Chester A. Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility. "

I stand thankfully and gratefully corrected.

Were those that questioned his eligibility being racist?

 

[qh4dotcom]

Bump

 

[Bruno]

I remember that not too long ago birther threads didn't last very long in the general politics section of this forum...they got moved to "hot topics"...I wonder why they don't get moved anymore.

CNN is talking about it, Msnbc is talking about it, it is in their politics section.

 

[qh4dotcom]

CNN is talking about it, Msnbc is talking about it, it is in their politics section.

CNN? Source?

 

[Matt Collins]

I believe this to be true. I don't believe that Obama isn't a natural born American citizen, but there is no reason for him to not release it (unless he really isn't a natural born citizen). It does seem suspicious that he would prefer to spend money to keep it sealed. Besides, we have to show every bit of information to the damned government, so I don't care about violating the privacy of our masters one bit.

What if there's something else on the long form that would be embarassing to the family, besides place of birth? I'm not trying to debate one way or the other, but could that be a possible reason for not releasing it?

This!!!

My guess?
I think the long form might say that he is "negro" or "mulatto" or even "Caucasian". The term "negro" is obviously archaic to today's society so I could see why they wouldn't want it being tossed around. But if it says that he is "mulatto" or "mixed" or "Caucasian" that would mean that he is "not black" which has the potential of affecting him politically.

AND

There is maybe the possibility that the long form says that his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth, which would then make him a "bastard". Everyone calls him that anyway, so now it would just be a legal fact

 

[Number19]

So, your argument is Obama's parents lied in 1961?

No, this is not necessarily true. As I recall, there was a question that Hawaii allowed parents to obtain a certification of birth for foreign born children under certain circumstances. Having been issued such a "birth certificate" the newspapers would have picked up on it and published the announcement along with all the other births for that time period. As I also recall, trying to piece together a time line subscribing to this theory, I found it pushing the limits of probability. But the uncertainty still remains.

Also, up until yesterday, I had never read a definitive statement of which hospital Obama supposedly was born in, but newly elected Governor Neil Abercrombie, who would have been 23 in 1961, has stated unequivocally, "His father was one of the first scholarship students coming to the United States and he came to the University of Hawaii, which we were very proud (of) ... We became good friends." He states that Obama was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

 

[TheDriver]

No, this is not necessarily true. As I recall, there was a question that Hawaii allowed parents to obtain a certification of birth for foreign born children under certain circumstances. Having been issued such a "birth certificate" the newspapers would have picked up on it and published the announcement along with all the other births for that time period. As I also recall, trying to piece together a time line subscribing to this theory, I found it pushing the limits of probability. But the uncertainty still remains.

Also, up until yesterday, I had never read a definitive statement of which hospital Obama supposedly was born in, but newly elected Governor Neil Abercrombie, who would have been 23 in 1961, has stated unequivocally, "His father was one of the first scholarship students coming to the United States and he came to the University of Hawaii, which we were very proud (of) ... We became good friends." He states that Obama was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

Interesting, thanks, reps.

 

[specsaregood]

No, this is not necessarily true. As I recall, there was a question that Hawaii allowed parents to obtain a certification of birth for foreign born children under certain circumstances. Having been issued such a "birth certificate" the newspapers would have picked up on it and published the announcement along with all the other births for that time period. As I also recall, trying to piece together a time line subscribing to this theory, I found it pushing the limits of probability. But the uncertainty still remains.

Yes, the claims I have heard is that Obama's half-sister who was born in indonesia (not disputed) has an HI birth certificate because of that loophole at the time.