Chris Matthews wants to see Obama long form birth certificate

[Bruno]

Done, debates over. He's a fucking natural US citizen. As far as I'm concerned the constitution says nothing about birth certificates so the last sentence is worthless.

Well, fortunately, you are not the last word on this. But you're welcome to move along now that the debate is over for you.

For the record, there was serious discussion here and elsewhere about McCain's citizenship status as well. Enough so, that one then Sen. Barack Obama sponsored a Bill to clear that up. Perhaps he was hoping for leeway on his own eligibility.

 

[AxisMundi]

It would be a huge issue. A huge chunk of the population won;t vote for a dual citizen. Most people want 100% loyalty to the United States, as did our Founding Fathers.

Arnold is a naturalized citizen. If his citizenship status wasn't an issue, do you think people wouldn't vote for him?

McCain was born in a foreign country, granted on a US military base, yet this has never been an issue with voters.

 

[AxisMundi]

Well, fortunately, you are not the last word on this. But you're welcome to move along now that the debate is over for you.

For the record, there was serious discussion here and elsewhere about McCain's citizenship status as well. Enough so, that one then Sen. Barack Obama sponsored a Bill to clear that up. Perhaps he was hoping for leeway on his own eligibility.

The question of McCain's citizenship was indeed brought up, at many of the forums I frequent, and then dropped immediately when the facts were exposed.

The same occurred with BHO too, except for a small group of Birthers who are simply too impatient to wait either until election time or Barry's allotted time as POTUS to run out.

Neither party wins National elections anymore. One party gets in power and Fails Epically, and the Moderate base votes for the other guy. Neither the Dems or the Republicans have actually won National elections since the Carter Administration, if not earlier, they merely loose the election to the other guy.

This has resulted in the Neoconservatives developing a definite predilection towards fabrications in an attempt to force the "other guy" to loose by swinging popular support their way. Combined with a lack of a charismatic and/or capable leader offered by the DNC, these fabrications helped the Republicans to first get Bush43 into office, and then keep that office four years later.

The GOP just doesn't realize that the Moderate Base doesn't buy the bullshit anymore, and IMHO, successes generated by an Epic Fail from the Democrats, largely due to the juvenile blocking tactics of the GOP in general (present company excluded Dr. Paul) in addition to certain failed progressive policies, will create the mentality that Bullshit actually worked for them. I fully expect the level of fabrications to rise after the next national election cycle, although the quality will of course remain the same. I.E. None.

 

[Bruno]

The question of McCain's citizenship was indeed brought up, at many of the forums I frequent, and then dropped immediately when the facts were exposed.

The same occurred with BHO too, except for a small group of Birthers who are simply too impatient to wait either until election time or Barry's allotted time as POTUS to run out.

Neither party wins National elections anymore. One party gets in power and Fails Epically, and the Moderate base votes for the other guy. Neither the Dems or the Republicans have actually won National elections since the Carter Administration, if not earlier, they merely loose the election to the other guy.

This has resulted in the Neoconservatives developing a definite predilection towards fabrications in an attempt to force the "other guy" to loose by swinging popular support their way. Combined with a lack of a charismatic and/or capable leader offered by the DNC, these fabrications helped the Republicans to first get Bush43 into office, and then keep that office four years later.

The GOP just doesn't realize that the Moderate Base doesn't buy the bullshit anymore, and IMHO, successes generated by an Epic Fail from the Democrats, largely due to the juvenile blocking tactics of the GOP in general (present company excluded Dr. Paul) in addition to certain failed progressive policies, will create the mentality that Bullshit actually worked for them. I fully expect the level of fabrications to rise after the next national election cycle, although the quality will of course remain the same. I.E. None.

Glad to hear the forums you frequented "dropped it". Whew! Well, it wasn't "dropped immediately" by the Senate. Constitutional scholars were involved, and there was a lot of uncertainty about it. The passed a resolution to ensure that McCain could run.

And now your claim is that the birthers were too impatient to wait until he was annointed president before they raised the issue? That's ridiculous. Then the argument would have been, "if you were so concerned, why didn't you bring it up before? Now it's too late, as he has sealed the nomination for the Democrat party and won the election."

 

[AxisMundi]

Glad to hear the forums you frequented "dropped it". Whew! Well, it wasn't "dropped immediately" by the Senate. Constitutional scholars were involved, and there was a lot of uncertainty about it. The passed a resolution to ensure that McCain could run.

And now your claim is that the birthers were too impatient to wait until he was annointed president before they raised the issue? That's ridiculous. Then the argument would have been, "if you were so concerned, why didn't you bring it up before? Now it's too late, as he has sealed the nomination for the Democrat party and won the election."

Said resolution offered by the democrats was a non-binding resolution, meaning it is not a law.

 

[Bruno]

Said resolution offered by the democrats was a non-binding resolution, meaning it is not a law.

Your point? Who was the sponsor? Oh, yeah, it was Obama. Hmm....

 

[AxisMundi]

Your point? Who was the sponsor? Oh, yeah, it was Obama. Hmm....

And what is your point?

Said resolution was not legally binding, and therefor could not work in BHO's favor in any legal manner whatsoever.

It was an attempt forwarded by the Democrats to lay the issue to rest so that people could move on to important matters, something not offered by the Republicans, and especially now by Birthers.