Cheap Chinese Tires Keep Rolling In


I believe the $80 figure included all of their benefits, paid vacation and holidays, and a myriad of other "perks" for the higher level, aka "skilled", workers. The $80 figure wasn't just their baseline pay scale.

And they made significant concessions as part of the baillouts (same article):

The union is now supposed to take over the legacy pension and healthcare benefits so the companies will not have to pay them in the future either.

Of course. They got how much taxpayer money to fill the pension and health care benefits accounts? Nevermind that under Obama's health care reform plan, the union's health care will be *free*. It's pretty easy to take over the health care benefits when they don't cost anything to the union. You and I will be paying for them.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/politics/...-from-Dem-health-care-tax_06_23-48810402.html
 
Because if China won't extend us credit, then the congress critters might be forced to reduce their spending within our means. FORCED Fiscal Conservatism.

Hey I know where we can save a bunch! Afganistan and Iraq! Anyone who supports Iraq and Afghanistan is NOT a FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, The COSTS far OUTWEIGH, the SECURITY.


Oh NO! They'll increase Defense/Offense spending ... and steal from the people.

Look for the most powerful global military to protect 50 states of Ghettos... now how's that Elvis song go? :rolleyes:
 
I've blown tires at 75 on the freeway, and never lost control. I just move over to the shoulder, change out the spare, and continue on my way, stopping to replace the blown out tire at the next tire store I come to.

I call it Redneck Rotation. Every time a tire goes flat from overwear, I replace it with the spare. Most of the time it happens on gravel roads when I pick up a rock in my tires which are too worn to handle the sharp edges. Other times I come outside after a job and find my most worn tire is flat. It rarely happens when I'm driving, but if you have both hands on the wheel 10 and 2 like you're supposed to, you shouldn't lose control.

I once saw a fully loaded 18 wheeler lose not just his tire, but his whole front driver's side wheel at the axle and guide it to the shoulder safely with sparks flying.

YouTube - Rear tire blowout at 150 mph


Professional Driver in a race prepared car using pro equipment. You can't predict everything that will happen. Don't skimp on tires.
 
LMAO! People that think like you are so full of crap and delusional it's hilarious. You realize what goes into the price of an American tire. If you think China is so great why don't you take your ass over there and go live. They have the worst worker's rights and environmental regulations in the world. While you enjoy your beautiful new tires in your sporty new Acura in China you can suck down all the polluted food, water, and air. Unions aren't sucking the life out of American manufacturing. Government, private, greed, unions, stupid American consumers like you that want a cheap product regardless...............anyone like you that would think American manufacturing decline is as simple as unions needs to see the forest for the trees. You should go to Switzerland, Sweden if you think tires here are so expensive. Maybe next time when you or a family member is in the Hospital you'll get some wonderful Chinese Heparin tainted with chondrointin sulfate! China is WONDERFUL!

America needs more tariffs and more protectionism. We've been bending over for the fucking Chinese for way too long.

Glad to see a couple of people respond to this nonsense. I think you need to read chapter 11 section 3 of Economics in One Lesson. Here I'll post it for you and maybe you'll learn why tariffs are horrible. Oh and don't forget about the Chinese not having laws that force people to only work 40 hours a week and get paid a certain amount to work. I would say that business there have more freedom to do as they please so they can make a cheaper product. Here in the states because of the 40 hour work week and minimum wage laws there's no way we can compete with the Chinese. Either the Chinese need to follow our rules, we need to change ours, or we need to eliminate the tire industry and have those jobs be moved to some other more productive area of the economy.

An American manufacturer of woolen sweaters goes to Congress or to the State Department and tells the committee or officials concerned that it would be a national disaster for them to remove or reduce the tariff on British sweaters. He now sells his sweaters for $30 each, but English manufacturers could sell their sweaters of the same quality for $25. A duty of $5, therefore, is needed to keep him in business. He is not thinking of himself, of course, but of the thousand men and women he employs, and of the people to whom their spending in turn gives employment. Throw them out of work, and you create unemployment and a fall in purchasing power, which would spread in ever-widening circles. And if he can prove that he really would be forced out of business if the tariff were removed or reduced, his argument against that action is regarded by Congress as conclusive.

But the fallacy comes from looking merely at this manufacturer and his employees, or merely at the American sweater industry. It comes from noticing only the results that are immediately seen, and neglecting the results that are not seen because they are prevented from coming into existence.

The lobbyists for tariff protection are continually putting forward arguments that are not factually correct. But let us assume that the facts in this case are precisely as the sweater manufacturer has stated them. Let us assume that a tariff of $5 a sweater is necessary for him to stay in business and provide employment at sweater-making for his workers.

We have deliberately chosen the most unfavorable example of any for the removal of a tariff. We have not taken an argument for the imposition of a new tariff in order to bring a new industry into existence, but an argument for the retention of a tariff that has already brought an industry into existence, and cannot be repealed without hurting somebody.

The tariff is repealed; the manufacturer goes out of business; a thousand workers are laid off; the particular tradesmen whom they patronized are hurt. This is the immediate result that is seen. But there are also results which, while much more difficult to trace, are no less immediate and no less real. For now sweaters that formerly cost retail $30 apiece can be bought for $25. Consumers can now buy the same quality of sweater for less money, or a much better one for the same money. If they buy the same quality of sweater, they not only get the sweater, but they have $5 left over, which they would not have had under the previous conditions, to buy something else. With the $25 that they pay for the imported sweater they help employment—as the American manufacturer no doubt predicted — in the sweater industry in England. With the $5 left over they help employment in any number of other industries in the United States.

But the results do not end there. By buying English sweaters they furnish the English with dollars to buy American goods here. This, in fact (if I may here disregard such complications as fluctuating exchange rates, loans, credits, etc.) is the only way in which the British can eventually make use of these dollars. Because we have permitted the British to sell more to us, they are now able to buy more from tis. They are, in fact, eventually forced to buy more from us if their dollar balances are not to remain perpetually unused. So as a result of letting in more British goods, we must export more American goods. And though fewer people are now employed in the American sweater industry, more people are employed—and much more efficiently employed—in, say, the American washing-machine or aircraft-building business. American employment on net balance has not gone down, but American and British production on net balance has gone up. Labor in each country is more fully employed in doing just those things that it does best, instead of being forced to do things that it does inefficiently or badly. Consumers in both countries are better off. They are able to buy what they want where they can get it cheapest. American consumers are better provided with sweaters, and British consumers are better provided with washing machines and aircraft.
 
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I worry about the idea of US manufacturers with heavy regulations and labor unions trying to compete against cheap Chinese slave labor.
 
Glad to see a couple of people respond to this nonsense. I think you need to read chapter 11 section 3 of Economics in One Lesson. Here I'll post it for you and maybe you'll learn why tariffs are horrible. Oh and don't forget about the Chinese not having laws that force people to only work 40 hours a week and get paid a certain amount to work. I would say that business there have more freedom to do as they please so they can make a cheaper product. Here in the states because of the 40 hour work week and minimum wage laws there's no way we can compete with the Chinese. Either the Chinese need to follow our rules, we need to change ours, or we need to eliminate the tire industry and have those jobs be moved to some other more productive area of the economy.

Don't stop there let's use the full potential of our human workforce and go back to child labor. While we are at it why don't get rid of our Constitutional Republic and install a communist government like China?


And to the other yahoo......I never said I think auto manufacturers deserve to make $80/hr. And your crap about autoworkers clocking in and going out for beers is not representative of the entire auto industry of hard working Americans. Tariffs and unions are necessary but like anything are corruptable.
 
Perhaps we need to create new threads every time there is a tariff anywhere in the world. Or is it just the US who has to sacrifice itself for the benefit of globalist traders?
 
Tariffs are one of the worst anti-free market policies that ALWAYS harms both sides in the long run (there are short term benefits but they are minimal at best, in this case it's the us tire industry) . I fuckin hope China retaliates so fuckin hard so people that support this stupid policy can learn their lesson.

Wrapping yourself in fake patriotism(aka protectionism) only discredits you in my eyes.
 
Tariffs are one of the worst anti-free market policies that ALWAYS harms both sides in the long run (there are short term benefits but they are minimal at best, in this case it's the us tire industry) . I fuckin hope China retaliates so fuckin hard so people that support this stupid policy can learn their lesson.

Wrapping yourself in fake patriotism(aka protectionism) only discredits you in my eyes.

If China feels the need to Tariff us on vehicle sales, why should we not tariff them?

Why should China be able to charge us tariffs, and when we do the same it is bad?

The tariff problem that stops free trade originates in China.
 
Don't stop there let's use the full potential of our human workforce and go back to child labor. While we are at it why don't get rid of our Constitutional Republic and install a communist government like China?

I didn't think you would listen. :rolleyes:

Ah well next!
 
I fuckin hope China retaliates so fuckin hard so people that support this stupid policy can learn their lesson.

Wrapping yourself in fake patriotism(aka protectionism) only discredits you in my eyes.

Agreed. I hope China keeps buying gold and pushes it to $5000/oz.
 
If China feels the need to Tariff us on vehicle sales, why should we not tariff them?

Why should China be able to charge us tariffs, and when we do the same it is bad?

The tariff problem that stops free trade originates in China.

Of course it's bad but any sort of retaliation will make things worse for both countries. China had lots of tariffs at the turn of the century, and many of those have been relaxed significantly over the years. If that trend continues then this one too will fall.
Let them have a tariff on cars. This only makes Chinese pay higher prices on their cars. Also if they need to have a tariff to compete that just shows us that their car production lines are inefficient in comparison to the rest of the world.
 
Globalization is a race to the bottom when you are competing against cheap labor, lack of worker rights and environmental laws. Tariffs are the United State's ace in the whole against all the debt China holds against us.. No one told the stupid Chinese to buy all our debt. It's their fault. I'd love to see them default. Their economy would crash worse than ours.
 
Globalization is a race to the bottom when you are competing against cheap labor, lack of worker rights and environmental laws. Tariffs are the United State's ace in the whole against all the debt China holds against us.. No one told the stupid Chinese to buy all our debt. It's their fault. I'd love to see them default. Their economy would crash worse than ours.

It might hurt them for a bit but they have the manufacturing base that the US lacks.

I read/heard one time that the thing the US needs is a wave of innovation to get us out of our recession/depression. Over on TED talks one speaker thinks it's going to be bio tech that does this. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Don't stop there let's use the full potential of our human workforce and go back to child labor. While we are at it why don't get rid of our Constitutional Republic and install a communist government like China?


And to the other yahoo......I never said I think auto manufacturers deserve to make $80/hr. And your crap about autoworkers clocking in and going out for beers is not representative of the entire auto industry of hard working Americans. Tariffs and unions are necessary but like anything are corruptable.

Wait, you want to institute a free market in labor AND get rid of the free market by imposing tariffs like the Communist Chinese (who have been steadily reducing their tariffs UNTIL WE STARTED IMPOSING THEM)? Use your brain. Stop thinking with your union.

If you want more tariffs, you neither want a free market, nor understand economics. You would fit in better in the Obama Forums. Just because you or someone you know belongs to a union doesn't mean you should take the party line. Question your own beliefs, or you're no better than any partisan hack on TV.
 
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