Chauvin - Guilty on All Charges

[otherone]

Yeah.
Political theater.
Don't be shocked if this is quietly overturned in the next year.
The state expects their goons to goon.

 

[Philhelm]

IMHO and from what I know about the charges, he was definitely guilty of the second degree manslaughter charge. It was gross negligence on his part. The third degree murder charge was also valid, as he engaged in reckless and dangerous actions.

Second degree murder was the huge stretch, which requires some level of intent, but without premeditation. That charge also involves some level of mind reading to know intent, absent some confession or testimony by someone who claimed to know intent.

It seems that, at worst, Chauvin was negligent, but that's assuming that George Floyd didn't die primarily or in totality from overdose. For what it's worth, my live-in, former pharmacist, father-in-law stated that an opiate (fentanyl) overdose can cause the respiratory muscles to stop functioning, resulting in a cessation of breathing. That seems like reasonable doubt to me.

 

[Invisible Man]

IMHO and from what I know about the charges, he was definitely guilty of the second degree manslaughter charge. It was gross negligence on his part. The third degree murder charge was also valid, as he engaged in reckless and dangerous actions.

Second degree murder was the huge stretch, which requires some level of intent, but without premeditation. That charge also involves some level of mind reading to know intent, absent some confession or testimony by someone who claimed to know intent.

This seems accurate to me too.

I also think it's strange for the charges to stack like that, it should be one of the three, whichever it meets the criteria for, not all three.

 

[sparebulb]

This whole thing is a turd sammich.

But I will sleep like a baby tonight without a thought about Chauvin's plight.

He and his kneel cushion have f'ed us all.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not a huge fan of the police, but my problem is that there seems to be a legitimate "reasonable doubt" that Chauvin killed George Floyd. The drugs in George Floyd's system, the fact that George Floyd stated that he couldn't breathe before he was pinned, a sliver of doubt about the exact placement of the knee, a supposed lack of post-mortem injury to the neck, etc., are reasonable to consider. I didn't have personal investment in the outcome of this trial, but I have a hard time thinking that it is a win considering the legal standard of "reasonable doubt" was mostly likely slaughtered (not to mention the witness intimidation and other shenanigans clouding this case).

This whole cluster fuck from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.

 

[acptulsa]

This whole cluster $#@! from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.

Welcome to New York City.

The worst thing about it is, so much of the media is based there, and they have always been arrogant enough to assume the rest of us give a flying fuck what goes on there.

Imagine how much nicer this nation would be if what happened in New York City stayed in New York City.

 

[Philhelm]

This whole cluster fuck from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.

The criminal defense attorney seemed okay. Go figure.

 

[TheTexan]

I'm not a huge fan of the police, but my problem is that there seems to be a legitimate "reasonable doubt" that Chauvin killed George Floyd. The drugs in George Floyd's system, the fact that George Floyd stated that he couldn't breathe before he was pinned, a sliver of doubt about the exact placement of the knee, a supposed lack of post-mortem injury to the neck, etc., are reasonable to consider. I didn't have personal investment in the outcome of this trial, but I have a hard time thinking that it is a win considering the legal standard of "reasonable doubt" was mostly likely slaughtered (not to mention the witness intimidation and other shenanigans clouding this case).

Even without those considerations, a 2nd degree murder charge seems a bit much. I haven't followed the case (at all), but I would doubt that there would be any evidence that the death was intentional.

 

[tod evans]

Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.

This is the camp I've been in since this started.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

What about the mis-trial because of Maxine Waters? Will he appeal?

 

[Philhelm]

Even without those considerations, a 2nd degree murder charge seems a bit much. I haven't followed the case (at all), but I would doubt that there would be any evidence that the death was intentional.

One of the elements of 2nd degree murder in MN is:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

I assume that the justification was that Chauvin unintentionally killed Floyd while commiting a felony.

 

[sparebulb]

This whole cluster $#@! from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.

I agree.

If there could be any characters that might have been acting out of basic human decency, it may have been some of the bystanders who recommended that Chauvin take his knee off of Saint Floyd of Fentanyl's neck.

Although it may be hard to tell what was human decency and what was knee-jerk F The Police vitriol on the part of the bystanders.

 

[69360]

Yeah.
Political theater.
Don't be shocked if this is quietly overturned in the next year.
The state expects their goons to goon.

He will serve a few years on the manslaughter, which he is guilty of. Then there will be a quiet appeal and the murder charges will be tossed.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

This seems accurate to me too.

I also think it's strange for the charges to stack like that, it should be one of the three, whichever it meets the criteria for, not all three.

I had that same question.

If a person commits a first degree murder, can they also be charged and convicted of everything less on down to the most minor assault?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I agree.

If there could be any characters that might have been acting out of basic human decency, it may have been some of the bystanders who recommended that Chauvin take his knee off of Saint Floyd of Fentanyl's neck.

Although it may be hard to tell what was human decency and what was knee-jerk F The Police vitriol on the part of the bystanders.

George Floyd: Bouncer, Porn Star, Drug Addict, Hero of Justice, Martyr, Saint.


https://youtu.be/LOMCFB9c_wM

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It seems that, at worst, Chauvin was negligent, but that's assuming that George Floyd didn't die primarily or in totality from overdose. For what it's worth, my live-in, former pharmacist, father-in-law stated that an opiate (fentanyl) overdose can cause the respiratory muscles to stop functioning, resulting in a cessation of breathing. That seems like reasonable doubt to me.

The primary negligence was holding him down and putting pressure on the chest of someone who couldn't breath and was essentially having a heart attack. The reason for the medical emergency was unknown, and not relevant.

 

[sparebulb]

George Floyd: Bouncer, Porn Star, Drug Addict, Hero of Justice, Martyr, Saint.


https://youtu.be/LOMCFB9c_wM[/QUOTE

To be honest, I stole "Saint Floyd of Fentanyl" from alternative media.]

 

[CaptUSA]

It sends a clear signal. Don’t kill black people...

...on camera.

 

[dannno]

The primary negligence was holding him down and putting pressure on the chest of someone who couldn't breath and was essentially having a heart attack. The reason for the medical emergency was unknown, and not relevant.

He asked to be held on the ground, and the pressure was on his neck/shoulder as per his training.

 

[Philhelm]

He asked to be held on the ground, and the pressure was on his neck/shoulder as per his training.

The police even changed their use of force regulations afterward. The whole thing stinks, cop or not.