Charlottesville Antifa Steamrolled By Car

Madison320 said:
Voluntary association for everyone? Or just certain groups? What about Black Lives Matter? Hmmmm. I call BS.

Not that I should have to state this on a Ron Paul website but obviously all discrimination laws are wrong.
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I'm not sure why they think he is a "white nationalist" could just be one of the majority participants that were neither a nationalist nor supremacist.
 
RJB said:
I would bet that if the driver kept his mouth shut to the police and only says, "I feared for my life," he stands a good chance of getting acquitted.
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Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.
 
angelatc said:
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.
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Maybe he was panicking because he thought he was about to die? Look how many guys with bats came running up after his car crashed. I think it's highly probable that all of them were beating on his car before he accelerated. It makes no sense that they just leapt into action in response to the car hitting pedestrians. Nobody can react that fast. Do you see what I mean?
 
angelatc said:
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.
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From the other view you can clearly see the cars were completely obscured by the mob. He sped up to get away from the attackers and never saw the cars until it was too late.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Someone hitting your car with a bat does not justify you running over other people.
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In a vacuum? Sure. But he wasn't in a vacuum. There were all sorts of things going on around him that would make him fear for his life.

Let's be real here. We saw the videos, we saw the livestream of Antifa that morning.

This is what my friend on the left just said when we were arguing about what happened, "The alt right needs to be and will be smashed. We've beaten those nazis in WW2 we will do it again."

It didn't matter what facts I told him, he thinks the alt-right are nazi terrorists and it is ok to be violent with them. This is what CNN does to your brain.

Then you saw the guy in the article Tod Evans posted in Seattle of the guy saying that the cops shouldn't be protecting the nazis and they should be allowed to go beat them up. This is how a lot of people feel, but it's not just the Richard Spencer nazi saluters, they are tying it to anybody who supports Trump.

These are deranged people. Based on everything else I saw, they were no doubt yelling at him and threatening him for being alt-right and that probably wasn't the first blow his car received.. but that guy was swinging for the fences when he hit his car, his pulse was already up high from being screamed at, he was surrounded by Antifa, he probably already was in fear for his life before that final blow from the baseball bat.

I'm not claiming to know what happened for certain, but we do know that there was at minimum a violent blow to his car that happened before he accelerated into the crowd, we also know he was dealing with a violent group of people who were looking to fight "nazis" and they were probably yelling at him, threatening him and hitting his car before that as well.

I think that MOST people in his situation would have reacted similarly. Whether that is what someone SHOULD do, I can't say, I don't know what would have happened if he just put his car into park and let them do what they were going to do, they could have potentially killed him.

So I don't have a hard time believing at all that he was in fear for his life, it seems that is what triggered the events.

By law, I think he may actually be innocent due to the incident in Alexandria, VA a few months ago.
 
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When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.
 
Schifference said:
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.
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The police had directed the alt-right protesters to go toward the streets where Antifa was protesting.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Someone hitting your car with a bat does not justify you running over other people.
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Madison320 said:
My guess is the media is first going to ratchet this down to "a little damage to your car doesn't justify murder."
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I was right! I just didn't think it'd be the moderator at Ron Paul Forums!

Anyway it wasn't "someone with a bat", it was an angry mob with lots of bats. What was he supposed to do, just let himself be beat to death? I don't get this at all.
 
Madison320 said:
I was right! I just didn't think it'd be the moderator at Ron Paul Forums!

Anyway it wasn't "someone with a bat", it was an angry mob with lots of bats. What was he supposed to do, just let himself be beat to death? I don't get this at all.
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I'll admit that it is POSSIBLE Jason Kessler knew about the law in Virginia, purposely drove into a crowd of Antifa, waited for them to hit his car with something so he could floor it and run a bunch of them over.. BUT... that would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and I haven't seen any evidence. There was motive, and it is worth investigating, but as of now the most likely scenario seems to be that he was just trying to get out of there and feared for his life, got scared and (possibly) over-reacted a bit.
 
Here's a news article two days before:

From many reports I have seen and read it was said the police had "stand-down" orders and practically did nothing.

Road closures, heavy police presence planned for Saturday rally
Police estimate between 2,000 and 6,000 protesters, counter-protesters
by Alexis Gravely | Aug 11 2017

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Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally is expected to disrupt both vehicular and pedestrian traffic starting Friday evening. In a press briefing Thursday afternoon, Charlottesville Police Department Capt. Victor Mitchell detailed the areas in downtown Charlottesville that will be affected.

Mitchell said the CPD anticipates a crowd of anywhere from 2,000 to 6,000 people, including both protesters and counter-protesters.

Parts of East Market Street, 1st Street, 2nd Street, 3rd Street, 4th Street and West Jefferson Street will be closed to vehicles beginning Saturday morning.

The 200 blocks on both 1st Street and 2nd Street which will be closed to both vehicles and pedestrians beginning Friday evening. The sidewalk on the 100 block of East Jefferson Street will also be closed Friday evening.

No road closures are expected near McIntire Park, except for the entrance to the park from the Route 250 Bypass near the fire station. Event organizer and pro-white activist Jason Kessler applied to hold the rally at Emancipation Park, but the city said earlier this week that it would only grant a permit for the rally if it was held in McIntire Park, which the city said would be larger and safer.

Kessler has rejected the city’s decision and said the rally will remain in Emancipation Park. The American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia and The Rutherford Institute expressed concerns that the city’s actions violated Kessler’s First Amendment rights and filed a civil rights lawsuit against the city in federal court Thursday.

“We are prepared for multiple possibilities and Charlottesville Police Department, with assistance from the Virginia State Police, has plans in place to protect citizens in both parks,” Mitchell said. “Individuals have a constitutional right to gather and peacefully protest. The police will be there to ensure this takes place.”

Mitchell also said that the Albemarle County Police Department and University Police Department will respond to emergency calls made in the city Saturday.

“We also want to point out that we still have a city to protect,” Mitchell said. “I want to assure the citizens of this city — if you call 911 for an emergency — a police officer will respond.”
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http://www.cavalierdaily.com/articl...vy-police-presence-planned-for-saturday-rally
 
Schifference said:
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.
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I agree. I would have avoided something like that by miles not blocks!

Maybe when they starting beating his car his instinct was to move forward, away from the attack.
 
Schifference said:
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.
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Madison320 said:
I was right! I just didn't think it'd be the moderator at Ron Paul Forums!

Anyway it wasn't "someone with a bat", it was an angry mob with lots of bats. What was he supposed to do, just let himself be beat to death? I don't get this at all.
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Reverse is an option. And it seemed to work just fine for him after he drove into a crowd.
 
phill4paul said:
We've all seen what happened to Reginald Denny. I would think a case could and will be made if one "fears for their life."
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Every case is different.

The good old "fears for their life" defense cuts many ways. Tread carefully on that slippery slope.
 
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