Chaos At Nevada Democratic Convention; DNC Leaders Flee Building...

[euphemia]

We're not winning unless we win. Not sure if someone explained that concept to you.

Reagan was a Democrat. He said, "I didn't leave them. They left me." If Trump is going that direction, then good.

 

[angelatc]

I have not drunk the Kool Aide. Trump is not the answer. We are. And we can use this tiny window of opportunity to make the difference. I'm tired of always being on the losing side. We have a chance to find our voice again if we can get a candidate to listen. Most of the people we elect won't listen because they are politicians. Trump is not one. He's a businessman and knows something about marketing. If he can see that we make up a significant market share, then we have a shot. He practices democracy in his private business, and I think he understands something about a real market share. We are it, and we can convince him and others to move toward liberty.

I am waiting to see what Paul, Massie and Amash indicate we should do. I am a team player, and while I don't live in any of those districts, they represent me.

 

[euphemia]

If Rand is smart, I think he will ask for a meeting with Trump. "I have a lot of people behind me. We want you to know these things....If you are with us, and will commit to these things, I will come alongside and we will win this election."

 

[nikcers]

We're not winning unless we win. Not sure if someone explained that concept to you.

Reagan was a Democrat. He said, "I didn't leave them. They left me." If Trump is going that direction, then good.

Nope, people are not going to win the war, ideas are, and sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war. There hasn't been one candidate that has a serious chance at the nomination that hasn't adopted one form of Ron Paul policy. You can't change government over night. There was significant enough damage done to the GOP so much so that they had to go justin Bieber to distract the audience away from us. Rand is not over, and that's why he is still uploading stuff to his 2016 youtube channel.

 

[euphemia]

If you believe that, then why didn't Ron Paul win? It's not about ideas. It's about votes. For better or for worse, it's the system we have. If the thinking doesn't translate to votes, then we won't win.

 

[nikcers]

If you believe that, then why didn't Ron Paul win? It's not about ideas. It's about votes. For better or for worse, it's the system we have. If the thinking doesn't translate to votes, then we won't win.

His ideas did, why do you think that Paul Ryan tripped over himself saying he wasn't a neocon and Ted Cruz and Trump and Sanders went after their supporters with their ideas? They aren't saying we are all neocons and we don't want to audit the fed, auditing the fed is bad, that is cooky

 

[Natural Citizen]

By Tim Hains
Posted on May 15, 2016

Adryenn Ashley posted several live videos from inside the Paris Hotel in Las Vegas, where arcane secondary rounds of the delegate selection process of Nevada's Democratic caucus erupted into chaos Saturday night. Bernie Sanders supporters demanded 64 rejected pro-Sanders delegates listed in a "minority report" prepared by their campaign be allowed to participate in selecting delegates for the national convention.

DNC leaders refused to reconsider their decision not to allow this, adjourned, and fled the building amid a chorus of boos; leaving hotel security and local police officers to handle the angry Sanders supporters.

Full article here.

Yeah, see, these people don't know how things work. Nothing is adjourned without consent. There are rules of order. Bryan had a good couple of videos on this some place around here. I don't remember where, though. And I think Matt had a couple, too. Standing around booing isn't how it's done.

Oddly enough, this is something that I've given some considerable time and effort to do elsewhere on the web. Specifically in environments where these people congregate. It is important that they understand how things work. The fact is that they just don't. So, kind of a catch 22 for me to do that but it has been fruitful in some ways. That's another topic in itself, though.

 

[euphemia]

Give me liberty candidates to vote for, or give me death.

Okay, so where have you been hiding one? I would like to vote for one, too. Where is he/she? From November you have about a year before you have to have one ready to run, and about eighteen months before you have to have them in the race and in a position to win.

If you don't have a candidate out there ready to win, then you need to stop tilting at windmills. A vote is not a message. It is a vote.

 

[nikcers]

Okay, so where have you been hiding one? I would like to vote for one, too. Where is he/she? From November you have about a year before you have to have one ready to run, and about eighteen months before you have to have them in the race and in a position to win.

If you don't have a candidate out there ready to win, then you need to stop tilting at windmills. A vote is not a message. It is a vote.

You know how when you are extremely hungry everything tastes better, well I am hungry - but I am not going to eat shit because its the tastiest thing around.

 

[RJ Liberty]

Okay, so where have you been hiding one? I would like to vote for one, too. Where is he/she?

Gary Johnson has called for a 43% reduction in the military budget. He's called for an end to the war in Afghanistan immediately. He's called for an end of military engagements in Iraq and Libya. He opposes eminent domain. He promises only to appoint justices who will interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning. He opposes the Death Penalty (state-controlled murder). He would end the so-called "War on Terror" and supports a lowered drinking age. He's stated that government doesn't belong in the bedroom.

Johnson kicks Trump's ass on any of these positions, and others. As do any of the other LP candidates.

 

[euphemia]

Obama ran on an anti-war platform. You see how that went.

 

[RJ Liberty]

Obama ran on an anti-war platform. You see how that went.

Are you saying the LP candidates will break their campaign promises? Where is the evidence of that, Euphemia?

...and your candidate, Trump, will keep the promises he's making? (Well, considering he's been on both sides of nearly every issue, I suppose that's halfway possible. )

 

[euphemia]

I'm just saying people bought Obama's anti-war talk. Where are those people now?

I don't like Libertarians. They make a lot of claims and never run a smart campaign. Running to the fringes does not work. I am for personal liberty, but I don't find Libertarians to be for personal liberty. They mainly want everyone else to agree with them. That's not personal liberty.

 

[nikcers]

I'm just saying people bought Obama's anti-war talk. Where are those people now

berniesandersforums.com

 

[Petar]

Gary Johnson has called for a 43% reduction in the military budget. He's called for an end to the war in Afghanistan immediately. He's called for an end of military engagements in Iraq and Libya. He opposes eminent domain. He promises only to appoint justices who will interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning. He opposes the Death Penalty (state-controlled murder). He would end the so-called "War on Terror" and supports a lowered drinking age. He's stated that government doesn't belong in the bedroom.

Johnson kicks Trump's ass on any of these positions, and others. As do any of the other LP candidates.

It's really swell that Johnson is able to actually accomplish all of those things in some alternate dimension.

 

[Ender]

I'm just saying people bought Obama's anti-war talk. Where are those people now?

I don't like Libertarians. They make a lot of claims and never run a smart campaign. Running to the fringes does not work. I am for personal liberty, but I don't find Libertarians to be for personal liberty. They mainly want everyone else to agree with them. That's not personal liberty.

Are you saying they were on this forum?

And Libertarians aren't for personal liberty but Trumpers are? Right.

Libertarians are definitely for personal liberty. They didn't secure the 2 party system for TPTB but they are breaking it up.

 

[ProBlue33]

Now we are all kind of desperate. We need Rand in the Senate. And as much as we dislike McCain, we need him there, too, to maintain a majority. We can't really afford to lose a single seat.

I'm inclined to think that we throw our eggs in the Trump basket and work on whatever House and Senate seats we can get or maintain. Then we immediately get some liberty candidates going. There will be a full House reelection in two years. If we do enough to get this message out, we won't have Trump monopolizing the media as mch as he does now. We can get some liberty people moved out front and start generating liberty conversations.

I think Trump works with a very close inner circle that includes his family. As a businessman, I think he will listen and go with the most marketable message. We are the most logical and reasoned group out there, and we can convince nominal conservatives (or whatever you want to call them) to adopt our message. We are the ones who understand how to have a compelling conversation, and I think we should have it in more open circles where there are people to convince. I'm a little surprised how well my meagre contributions are resonating. Some of you all could be center stage if you would branch out a little. There are a lot of liberty thinkers on Fox and Yahoo. They aren't getting much of an argument from liberals, or even rank-and-file Republicans.

Somebody on RPF that understands the true realitity of the 2016 election cycle and how to maximize strategy, making lemonade out lemons, well said. It seems some here have no ability to see this side of things, out of a sense duty to Ron, I get that, the purists. I just wish they would show the strategists here more respect.

 

[nikcers]

Somebody on RPF that understands the true realitity of the 2016 election cycle and how to maximize strategy, making lemonade out lemons, well said. It seems some here have no ability to see this side of things, out of a sense duty to Ron, I get that, the purists. I just wish they would show the strategists here more respect.

Strategic or not we don't support anti liberty candidates. We understand chemo therapy is one treatment for cancer but we prefer a liberty surgeon to cut the cancer out so it won't grow back.

 

[devil21]

What the hell is wrong with Nevada? More establishment corruption than usual, or more vocal opposition than usual? Or both?

What do you expect from a city (state?) that is run by mobsters?

 

[Spikender]

I wish I could just read a topic without people pushing Trump or crapping all over him. I'm tired of his name, his voice, and his image, for better or worse.