St. Landry and Evangeline Parish? I thought you lived in Alexandria.
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St. Landry and Evangeline Parish? I thought you lived in Alexandria.
torchbearer
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I do.
At that time, I lived in a small community called Lone Pine in north evangeline. It is where i am from.
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Chandler ur back...u came back
Torchbearer -- why would I ever tell you anything about my clients? So you can tell them to suck your balls?
You -- a candidate for public office -- someone who claims to represent the r3volution in Louisiana -- who expects to actually win an election someday... And that's what you do: "Suck my balls beeotch!"
And you're bragging because you got 19% in an election? There wasn't even a Republican on the ballot!
Amazing. Amazing. And not in a good way.
You -- a candidate for public office -- someone who claims to represent the r3volution in Louisiana -- who expects to actually win an election someday... And that's what you do: "Suck my balls beeotch!"
And you're bragging because you got 19% in an election? There wasn't even a Republican on the ballot!
Amazing. Amazing. And not in a good way.
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Ok gentlemen, tone down the testosterone.
Both you, Torch, and you, Huey, are on the same side. FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK TOGETHER!
Both you, Torch, and you, Huey, are on the same side. FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK TOGETHER!
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Okay -- sorry about the 2% comment. But here's the thing -- telling people to suck your balls is precisely the attitude that is killing us as a movement, and will crush Rand before all is said and done.
Where is the commentary about issues and strategy on Rand's campaign? Everything is about running around and smashing somebody. It's a great way to run a revolution -- but it destroys campaigns. Even a hint of it.
Where is the commentary about issues and strategy on Rand's campaign? Everything is about running around and smashing somebody. It's a great way to run a revolution -- but it destroys campaigns. Even a hint of it.
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I know what you are saying. You are correct.
I'm just telling you how it is- and how it will be regardless of what is right. We can't control everyone, and everyone is engaged.
You have no control over this.
You are right about the bio, but if we know it needs to be done, why hasn't the grassroots stepped up to do it? We are waiting for the campaign?
Let's get Clay to work on a vid, and we get a chipin together and air it as individuals in kentucky.
That is bottom up campaigning.
Unless you're in KY then you're in the same boat most of us are. There's really not much we can do! Short of donating and spreading the word online we're pretty limited. Rand's campaign is not like Ron's for obvious reasons.
Having said that, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the cameraman stalker actually has gotten people that weren't very familiar with Rand's campaign to ask me about it, based on my Rand 2010 sig on other forums. It's made the rounds through the grapevine. People find such tactics to be reprehensible and it's actually gaining attention to Rand! So if no one was publicizing what Pancakes is doing on behalf of Grayson then less people would be paying attention.
Getting people's attention isn't the problem.
Rand is running in the US Senate primary against the hired boy of the Republican Minority leader. Oh yeah, he's also raised $1 million dollars. He can get all the attention he wants.
The question is -- what kind of attention? And attention that is interesting to whom? And attention that help? Or hurts?
The under 30 y/o r3volution types who are actually part of the Kentucky Republican primary electorate represent a tiny fraction of the whole pie.
75% of that electorate is over 50. And 98% of that electorate is not a conscious part of our movement. This is basic electoral demographics.
So, things that we love the hell out of -- like camera stalker -- don't play quite so well with grandma. And having Rand take a strident tone vis a vis the 3 major candidates -- while it excites us -- doesn't position him in a way that is likely to sell that older Republican primary voter.
Further, stridently challenging the Republican establishment (in the person of the Republican Minority leader, who just happens to be the Senior US Senator from Kentucky) -- may make us feel good -- but it only increases the likelihood that very establishment will do just about anything to beat Rand -- including splitting the party and letting a DEMOCRAT win.
Mitch McConnell is the highest rated elected official in Kentucky, with 99% name ID and +15 favorable. He just got re-elected 6 months ago, and he won 86% of the vote in the Republican primary. Peeing on his shoes about our fundraising and poll success, rather than being sincere and humble about the enormity of the task of saving our nation -- is just plain dumb.
Based on the success Rand has enjoyed so far, and the credibility he has established -- the correct strategic move at this moment for Rand -- is to extend an olive branch to McConnell, rather than a sharp stick in the eye.
Even if he doesn't mean it, and even if McConnell doesn't respond -- THAT is the move that can garner real substantial benefits for Rand that could lead to actually being elected a US Senator.
The country's future is on the line, and we prefer to act like 8th graders at a food fight.
Rand is running in the US Senate primary against the hired boy of the Republican Minority leader. Oh yeah, he's also raised $1 million dollars. He can get all the attention he wants.
The question is -- what kind of attention? And attention that is interesting to whom? And attention that help? Or hurts?
The under 30 y/o r3volution types who are actually part of the Kentucky Republican primary electorate represent a tiny fraction of the whole pie.
75% of that electorate is over 50. And 98% of that electorate is not a conscious part of our movement. This is basic electoral demographics.
So, things that we love the hell out of -- like camera stalker -- don't play quite so well with grandma. And having Rand take a strident tone vis a vis the 3 major candidates -- while it excites us -- doesn't position him in a way that is likely to sell that older Republican primary voter.
Further, stridently challenging the Republican establishment (in the person of the Republican Minority leader, who just happens to be the Senior US Senator from Kentucky) -- may make us feel good -- but it only increases the likelihood that very establishment will do just about anything to beat Rand -- including splitting the party and letting a DEMOCRAT win.
Mitch McConnell is the highest rated elected official in Kentucky, with 99% name ID and +15 favorable. He just got re-elected 6 months ago, and he won 86% of the vote in the Republican primary. Peeing on his shoes about our fundraising and poll success, rather than being sincere and humble about the enormity of the task of saving our nation -- is just plain dumb.
Based on the success Rand has enjoyed so far, and the credibility he has established -- the correct strategic move at this moment for Rand -- is to extend an olive branch to McConnell, rather than a sharp stick in the eye.
Even if he doesn't mean it, and even if McConnell doesn't respond -- THAT is the move that can garner real substantial benefits for Rand that could lead to actually being elected a US Senator.
The country's future is on the line, and we prefer to act like 8th graders at a food fight.
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I sincerely do not understand your negativity. Rand came out of nowhere and now he's #1 according to several indicators. He has momentum. Are you saying he's not surging ahead fast enough? Can you explain, with all your theories, why Rand is doing so terrifically? If not, then maybe your models need tweaking.
If Rand's tactics and instincts are working so well, then what would cause them to suddenly have the opposite effect?
Dude. A campaign is a four quarter game.
They did a good mailpiece on the bailouts / spending, and Rand has given a bunch of speeches.
He's come 14 points from where he started -- which was 11 points down in the previous WHAS poll. He's gotten some good coverage based on core issue press, positioning as an outsider, and fundraising. That's all good.
Kind of like a good running game that scores a touchdown.
But, as I've said a hundred times -- no attention to bio/narrative, a tone that is too strident / combative, and no recognition that we can raise a lot more money that Trey -- so we should be up and spending rather than sitting and waiting.
Kind of like ignoring your passing game.
The upshot to not establishing your bio / narrative early -- is that you are totally vulnerable to the attacks that are coming because people are vaguely aware of your message, but haven't bonded with you as a person in any meaningful way. The reason that this is a problem is that most people don't vote logic. They vote emotions, and then make up reasons they think are logical. This is what all campaigns are based on. If they don't feel like they know and trust your candidate, they're not going to vote for him.
This is like having a great defensive line -- but no secondary. You get bombed and you can't do anything about it.
So -- I'm not saying they've done nothing right. They've done lots of good things. But the opponent (Grayson, as well as the establishment) hasn't lifted a finger yet. And we're standing here with our jaw sticking out ready to get pounded (to switch to a boxing metaphor).
The campaign is a four quarter game. What matters is being ahead on election day.
They did a good mailpiece on the bailouts / spending, and Rand has given a bunch of speeches.
He's come 14 points from where he started -- which was 11 points down in the previous WHAS poll. He's gotten some good coverage based on core issue press, positioning as an outsider, and fundraising. That's all good.
Kind of like a good running game that scores a touchdown.
But, as I've said a hundred times -- no attention to bio/narrative, a tone that is too strident / combative, and no recognition that we can raise a lot more money that Trey -- so we should be up and spending rather than sitting and waiting.
Kind of like ignoring your passing game.
The upshot to not establishing your bio / narrative early -- is that you are totally vulnerable to the attacks that are coming because people are vaguely aware of your message, but haven't bonded with you as a person in any meaningful way. The reason that this is a problem is that most people don't vote logic. They vote emotions, and then make up reasons they think are logical. This is what all campaigns are based on. If they don't feel like they know and trust your candidate, they're not going to vote for him.
This is like having a great defensive line -- but no secondary. You get bombed and you can't do anything about it.
So -- I'm not saying they've done nothing right. They've done lots of good things. But the opponent (Grayson, as well as the establishment) hasn't lifted a finger yet. And we're standing here with our jaw sticking out ready to get pounded (to switch to a boxing metaphor).
The campaign is a four quarter game. What matters is being ahead on election day.
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I like your style, neighbor to the east!
Ok, fair enough. So that's your opinion, and you apparently have some expertise on the subject. I think you're pushing these opinions very persistently.
As far as the bio/narrative point of yours, all I can say is, huh?
Evidence A
Go here, look at the "Meet Dr Rand Paul of Kentucky" area, it's right there. It's been there for a long time. That's a picture of Rand and his wife Kelley. There's a summary right there of his bio/narrative. If you click it, there's even MORE bio info.
http://www.randpaul2010.com/
Evidence B
Yesterday's speech at UofK, listen to him talk about his bio/narrative as the first words he chooses to speak.
YouTube - Rand Paul at the University of Kentucky Senate Forum, Pt. 1
Evidence C
Rand is the son of CELEBRITY politician Ron Paul. When you're the child of a celebrity, things are different. People consider you more of a known quantity. You're not someone who emerged from the shadows. People know where you came from, quite literally.
So, actually, there's been a LOT of attention to his bio narrative, not "none", as you stated.
The tone you think is too strident/combative, Hmmmm, would you not say that after Bush and Hope (no goods), people are PISSED?! You do know that people are PISSED, right?
And the money, I don't know what you're saying about no recognition. I think that you mean we should spend more money now. Why? Just to spend it? Rand gets free media on a national level that his opponents do not. If he's doing everything they can do and surging ahead, then you don't spend just to spend.
So, there are two sides to the story. I know you're probably not convinced, but maybe you can just start one positive thread with your suggestions/reasonings, which are not bad, and keep it in there a bit.
You mean like the thousands of gray-haired Tea Partiers that descended on the Capitol today on a Thursday? Bachmann called them. She also loves Ron Paul. Ron Paul movement also invented Tea Parties. Gray-haired people flock there. Been to one. Lots of old people. Lots of Ron Paul/Liberty stuff.
Here's Bachmann yesterday on Fox News, gray-haired people watch lots of Fox News. She's talking to Napolitano (great friend of Ron Paul) on the Glenn Beck show (lots of old people watch it).
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I'm with hueylong. Run a professional campaign. You have to do that to win, and I think we all here want Paul to win.
I don't expect people here to be professional, just like no one expects the people on Trey Grayson's Facebook to always be professional....but the official campaign absolutely should.
Well then, good news: Paul leads Grayson among the 65+ crowd in the most recent SurveyUSA poll.
I don't expect people here to be professional, just like no one expects the people on Trey Grayson's Facebook to always be professional....but the official campaign absolutely should.
Well then, good news: Paul leads Grayson among the 65+ crowd in the most recent SurveyUSA poll.
But they are professional. You mean to say unimaginative, stodgy, boring, run-of-the-mill, humorless, Puritan, hair-shirt, right?
Huey you just made me do the work to reset my password so I could post. I have been just a daily reader for this forum ever since I cleared my save password accidentally.
Anyway every post I have read from Huey has been spot on and I fully agree 100% with everything he says. I think everyone needs to put their egos aside.
The campaign instead of ignoring or scoffing at the perceived back seat driver they should at least make some recognition of the concerns and give some feedback. Everything that Huey contributes is spot on imo. I think it boils down to the campaign being too tight with the money. Now is the perfect time to get some ads going helping to establish his narrative/bio. Where is the downside besides costs? I know its early but people are looking for a cause and hope to rally around and we should take advantage of all the momentum we can muster. We already proven we can fund raise before any of the polls came out. Now that we are establishing ourselves as a seriously viable candidate our donor base will get even larger. Besides total donations is what make the headlines, cash on hand only gets talked about afterward. Any money we spend now will easily be replaced and I think it will be a investment that will pay dividends and help us continue to gain points and pull away from trayson in the polls. Which in turn continues to help to increase fund raising ability. We need to convert the undecided and target our weaker demos from the polling.
BTW the campaign has been doing a stellar job thus far and I think everyone is in agreement so kudos is due. That does not mean people don't have great suggestions that should be addressed and if they voice those suggestions repeatably because they really believe in them doesn't mean they are trying to be divisive. No one is trying to change Rand or anything like that. We all have the same goal. I'm proud of all you guys. We have the most driven, creative and intelligent grassroots of all time. I am for such super excited for this race and I think we have golden opportunity here. The stars might line up for us for once.
Anyway every post I have read from Huey has been spot on and I fully agree 100% with everything he says. I think everyone needs to put their egos aside.
The campaign instead of ignoring or scoffing at the perceived back seat driver they should at least make some recognition of the concerns and give some feedback. Everything that Huey contributes is spot on imo. I think it boils down to the campaign being too tight with the money. Now is the perfect time to get some ads going helping to establish his narrative/bio. Where is the downside besides costs? I know its early but people are looking for a cause and hope to rally around and we should take advantage of all the momentum we can muster. We already proven we can fund raise before any of the polls came out. Now that we are establishing ourselves as a seriously viable candidate our donor base will get even larger. Besides total donations is what make the headlines, cash on hand only gets talked about afterward. Any money we spend now will easily be replaced and I think it will be a investment that will pay dividends and help us continue to gain points and pull away from trayson in the polls. Which in turn continues to help to increase fund raising ability. We need to convert the undecided and target our weaker demos from the polling.
BTW the campaign has been doing a stellar job thus far and I think everyone is in agreement so kudos is due. That does not mean people don't have great suggestions that should be addressed and if they voice those suggestions repeatably because they really believe in them doesn't mean they are trying to be divisive. No one is trying to change Rand or anything like that. We all have the same goal. I'm proud of all you guys. We have the most driven, creative and intelligent grassroots of all time. I am for such super excited for this race and I think we have golden opportunity here. The stars might line up for us for once.
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Thank you, beazy. I'm not being divisive, and I think the campaign has done some things really well.
Of course, the success has something to do that Rand is absolutely right on the issues that are central to the survival of the nation. Unfortunately, the devil of winning elections is in the details.
Like everyone here, I just want Rand to win.
Of course, the success has something to do that Rand is absolutely right on the issues that are central to the survival of the nation. Unfortunately, the devil of winning elections is in the details.
Like everyone here, I just want Rand to win.
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