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[Dionysus]

Thank you, beazy. I'm not being divisive, and I think the campaign has done some things really well.

Of course, the success has something to do that Rand is absolutely right on the issues that are central to the survival of the nation. Unfortunately, the devil of winning elections is in the details.

Like everyone here, I just want Rand to win.

Rand Paul is the third of five children. He grew up in a small town in Texas and attended Baylor University before leaving to go to Duke Medical School. Dr. Paul completed a General Surgery Internship at Georgia Baptist Medical Center in Atlanta and earned his ophthalmology residency at Duke University.

Dr. Paul is married to his wife, Kelley Ashby, of Russellville, KY. They have been married for 18 years and have three boys: Will 16, Duncan 13, and Robert 10.

Dr. Paul has owned his own business, performing eye surgery in Bowling Green, KY, for 18 years. He is also the founder of the Southern Kentucky Lions Eye Clinic, an organization that performs eye exams and surgery for less fortunate patients.

Additionally, Dr. Rand Paul founded the Kentucky Taxpayers United (KTU) in 1994. KTU rates the state legislature’s tax honesty and helps promote the Americans for Tax Reform taxpayer pledge, to oppose any and all marginal income tax increases and any reduction in tax deductions.

Dr. Rand Paul delivered his first public speech in a debate with Senator Phil Gramm at the age of 21 in San Antonio. For his father’s Presidential campaign, Dr. Rand Paul traveled throughout ten different states. In December of 2007, he spoke to thousands of supporters at the historic Fanueil Hall in Boston on the day his father’s campaign set the record for most online donations in a single day.

Rand Paul is a career doctor, not a politician. His entrance into politics is indicative of his life’s work: a desire to diagnose problems, and provide practical solutions.

http://www.randpaul2010.com/about/

The above is prominently linked from the front page of Rand's website. Now, what percentage of Kentuckians have internet access in their home? At least 75%. Many of those households without internet access are African American, and they are overwhelmingly Democrats.

This is not as big an issue as you think. After all, Rand's in the lead in the most recent poll!! To be in the lead, people have to know who you are, and like what they know.

"Who's that?"
"It's Tom Cruise's daughter, Suri."
"Oh."

You see that being the child of a celebrity is enough of an ID for most people.

 

[beazy]

So what are you trying to say ?

That Television isnt worth its cost and not effective as a bio online?
TV and radio advertising goes after target audience. With the website people have to come to it.
They need to convert that narrative from the website into ads of different formats and targeting slightly different demos.

Its nice to be devils advocate but sometimes there is no point.

Oh and the African American quip I think was unnecessary.

 

[Dionysus]

So what are you trying to say ?

That Television isnt worth its cost and not effective as a bio online?
TV and radio advertising goes after target audience. With the website people have to come to it.
They need to convert that narrative from the website into ads of different formats and targeting slightly different demos.

Its nice to be devils advocate but sometimes there is no point.

Oh and the African American quip I think was unnecessary.

That was no quip. I was being analytical and anticipating that you guys would try to disparage the online bio without any statistics or numbers whatsoever. So I preemptively addressed that fact with numbers and facts.

Last word from me, probably, TV and radio. That's great. But it's months before the election and we're coming up on Thanksgiving and Christmas. Do you have any data to backup the contention that blowing our money on bio ads this early and right before the holidays is a GOOD idea?

 

[TruthisTreason]

This forum should just run the campaign and do all the work I'm having to do... I'll be on vacation -- don't call me.

 

[hueylong]

The political ad for the holidays prior to the election is a time-honored tradition, engaged in by hundreds and hundreds of candidates since the late 60's.

The reasons for going up now, rather than waiting, have been recounted dozens of times already.

And the relative fundraising situation is an argument for going up now, rather than waiting.

Thanks, Chris, for all the hard work on the campaign. Glad you have time to read threads and post here, and conduct the yeoman's effort to expose the camera stalker. Sorry to waste your precious time with our irrelevant posts about message, tone and strategy.

By the way -- the stated function of the forum is to discuss the campaign.

 

[beazy]

What would you us rather do? Do you not agree with what is said, and if not why? All I think is necessary is just acknowledgment of concerns, instead of a vibe that could be perceive as sort of mightier than thou. Didnt the grassroots (us) draft rand to run ?

 

[TruthisTreason]

The political ad for the holidays prior to the election is a time-honored tradition, engaged in by hundreds and hundreds of candidates since the late 60's.

The reasons for going up now, rather than waiting, have been recounted dozens of times already.

And the relative fundraising situation is an argument for going up now, rather than waiting.

Thanks, Chris, for all the hard work on the campaign. Glad you have time to read threads and post here, and conduct the yeoman's effort to expose the camera stalker. Sorry to waste your precious time with our irrelevant posts about message, tone and strategy.

By the way -- the stated function of the forum is to discuss the campaign.

No one runs ads this early on TV in a closed primary, especially when you have the power to get on FOX News.

But, if we had 3 million we might consider it, but we are nowhere close.

Now, can we move on or do we have to read your nonsense (do this do that do this boo hoo) day after day?

 

[hueylong]

Sure. If you want, I can stop writing here, and start writing elsewhere.

There are places on the Louisville and Lexington newspaper websites and the Kentucky television websites where I can start posting instead of here.

Is that what you want me to do Chris?

PS: You don't control your message when you go on Fox News. The only place you control your message is in your own advertising. Campaign 90.

 

[devil21]

Are we still talking about Pancakes or has this thread gone off somewhere else?

All I will say is this and then move on: this isn't a big deal like some are making it out to be. Campaign ribbing isn't new. Watched any debates lately? It's pretty common to poke some fun at each other. I didn't know you had to leave your sense of humor at the door of the campaign trail?
No one is going to harm Pancakes personally and I doubt any votes would ever be switched over a few videos of the guy and inside jokes about him. Such a non-issue imo.

 

[TruthisTreason]

Is that what you want me to do Chris?

You have said you work on campaigns -- you might start there, assuming you work on a current one.

 

[beazy]

no need to get pretentious, obviously he is just trying to help. please dont give credibility to the poor poor paul guy.

when rand is on Fox he doesnt get the chance to really nail in the bio like he would in ads.

who is to say we cant raise 3 mil this primary? maybe running ads would help enable more fund raising and better polling especially if they target the weaker demos more.

if no one cares about the primaries this early, then what is the point of doing polling this early? i think a lot of people are starting to pay attention, especially with the drama of the underdog story that is unfolding in this race

 

[hueylong]

The only thing I am working on in 2010 is randpaul.ning.com.

My elections are in 2011.

PS: If money is the concern and $1M on hand isn't enough, how about producing a bio spot, and using it to raise money?

 

[beazy]

you can talk about free media all you want but only when you run your own ads do you get to frame your message exactly as you want.

if there is any lesson to learn from obama its how to script and control your message

and i cant believe you just told him to get lost and focus on another campaign

 

[TruthisTreason]

who is to say we cant raise 3 mil this primary?

And who says Trey can't raise 4 million and spend it all attacking Rand the last two weeks of the election when all the TV buys are gone, because he bought them all.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Must we in-fight even when our candidate is leading in the polls for the primary?

Maybe getting to work on December 16th will bring us together again?

 

[TruthisTreason]

Must we in-fight even when our candidate is leading in the polls for the primary?

Maybe getting to work on December 16th will bring us together again?

It appears we must at least until hueylong gets happy.

 

[hueylong]

Because Trey was unable to raise even as much as Rand in the last quarter, and many of his contributors are MAXED out.

Plus, Trey's fundraising will get more difficult in the wake of Rand's surge in the polls AND rumors of another candidate getting in.

I ran numbers (and posted about it) suggesting pretty strongly that Rand could raise $4.5 to $5M for the primary based on his existing 14,000 contributors and normal expansion of that base.

Further, the money Grayson raises will have to come from PACs and Special Interests -- further strengthening the core argument of your candidacy -- that he's an insider, while you're the outsider.

Sorry if I've been a jerk and pissed you off... But I'm pretty confident my analysis is solid here.

 

[beazy]

And who says Trey can't raise 4 million and spend it all attacking Rand the last two weeks of the election when all the TV buys are gone, because he bought them all.

You know just as well as I do that he wont be able to raise that money if Rand has been smashing him in fund raising while polling better leading up the election. Most of his big donors are dried up imo. Didnt Rand predict our fund raising will increase as his decreases?

 

[beazy]

wow huey we think exactly a like lol

 

[hueylong]

Chris is just being obstinate because he's mad at me.

He's working hard at a tough job, and it's something he cares about. It's clear he doesn't appreciate some jerk criticizing the campaign. I can certainly respect that.