CFL State Organization Info

[Matt Collins]

i don't know why people are so willing to attack matt for doing to C4L leadership what we all are doing to our local, state, and national governments

Because some people cannot get over their petty personal vendetta against me

Here's a few basic questions for anyone that I challenge to answer. If C4L is a corporation, then what is it's tax ID? Where is it's state filiing? Where is it's articles incorporation? Why would dues paying members need additional permission to affiliate themselves with the organization they are a member of? What legal grounds do C4L staffers have to revoke the membership of someone who pays their dues? Does that person get a refund? Basic Basic questions.

What are the by-laws.

I definitely don't want to get expelled from the organization, so I need to know what rules to not violate. I need to know what the boundaries are. A basic framework is needed. Where is it? We are libertarians, not anarchists.

 

[newbitech]

Newbitech, you, Matt and Nick go start your own thing and quit your simpering whines in the Ron Paul Forums. It doesn't belong here.

excuse me? is there a problem? is this your proposed solution?

I don't understand what you are trying to say with a post like this. I can certainly understand why 9/11 truth supporters would get this kind of response on the grassroots board during the campaign, but this topic most certainly belongs here. I wish it didn't bother you so much, and I can understand why it wouldn't interest you, but calling this discussion simpering whines? The condescending quality of your words? How is that merited by someone aspiring to be a leader in the movement of liberty?

I have done nothing to deserve to be addressed by you in this manner. I respectfully request that you abstain from invoking your right to reply to me or continue to comment on this subject on the condition that you continue to treat me like I am some kind of jerk.

Now, care to answer the questions or point me in the right direction? FYI, I have done my due diligence. I may or may not know the answers to the questions I asked. The challenge is, do you or anyone else know the answers?

 

[Matt Collins]

It doesn't belong here.

And why is that?

 

[michigan wolverine]

The 62000 people who voted for Ron Paul have an organization to turn to. It is the CFL if they so desire. Once again nobody is holding a gun to their head.

As for what happened in Florida two people chose a childish method to make their point. And after be warned they continued to do so. If CFL wants their group to operate in a civilized manner that have the right to remove anyone who does not meet their expectations.

Quite frankly from what Matt has posted from the newspaper in Florida it would appear to be the right move. From what I remember of the articles I saw nothing but childish behavior painting all Ron Paul Suppoters in a bad light.

 

[heath.whiteaker]

uhhh and I guess you just make assumptions on your own with out knowing the facts.

 

[michigan wolverine]

Matt and Nick have posted enough information that one can draw an educated conclusion as to what happened. They believe their information paints them in postive light. But it does not imho. Mr Tate's letter or email explains the reason for their removal. They just refuse to see the information. To paint all Ron Paul supporters as good just because they support Ron Paul is a bad idea. Some people do more harm than good.

 

[Sandra]

uhhh and I guess you just make assumptions on your own with out knowing the facts.

The Orlando Sentinel wrote of their childish behavior. Embarrassing

 

[newbitech]

The 62000 people who voted for Ron Paul have an organization to turn to. It is the CFL if they so desire. Once again nobody is holding a gun to their head.

I didn't say anything about not having an organization to turn to. Please go back and re-read what I said. If you are talking about turning to the C4L in FL, well there is no C4L in FL. On what basis are you trying to convince me that the C4L exists in FL? Figuratively speaking, yes we do have guns to our heads considering the consequences of a runaway government with nothing to stand in the way!

As for what is happening in Florida the leaders of the C4L chose a childish method to make their point(s). And after be(ing) confronted with facts they choose to exercise their unilateral powers. If National C4L wants their members who pay dues and carry out their agenda on a local level to operate in an adult manner then National C4L has the right to treat their due paying members who carry out their agenda on a local level like adults and provide their members with governing rules of the organization that they are a part while holding each member accountable to those rules with equality.

There I fixed it for you. Please be mindful of the difference between your opinions and facts that you are unaware or otherwise ignorant of. I do not mean to insult you, but I find your comments slightly abrasive and somewhat condescending and would prefer to use more gentleman like language when dealing with your comments. Especially since in your opinion it is childish to bring successful lawsuits against the GOP, hurt the people who stole a local election, hold our leaders accountable for their actions.

Quite frankly from what Matt has posted from the newspaper in Florida it would appear to be the right move. From what I remember of the articles I saw nothing but childish behavior painting all Ron Paul Suppoters in a bad light.

Even though it was the wrong move? What from the "newspaper" in FL has you believing that what is happening isn't precisely the kind of activity that is required to move FL in the direction that Floridians think it should move in? What exactly did you see? You painting what you see as childish might be a solution. Let's assume for a second that your opinion is supported by facts. How do you kick a child out of the family for making a mistake? You do realize that is what you are advocating, right? Fact is, the action the C4L has taken in FL has been completely contrary to the principles it espouses.

I am not trying to change anyone's opinion, but if anyone would disregard facts then their opinion holds very little influence, especially in the arena of intellect and principled decision making.

 

[newbitech]

The Orlando Sentinel wrote of their childish behavior. Embarrassing

and fox news called Ron Paul a kook. point?

 

[heath.whiteaker]

and fox news called ron paul a kook. Point?

awesomeness.

 

[LibertyEagle]

uhhh and I guess you just make assumptions on your own with out knowing the facts.

Heath, have you changed your position again? The last thing I saw from you was a blog post saying that Mark Cross was some kind of genius and that you had been wrong in your previous stance.

 

[Matt Collins]

Heath, have you changed your position again? The last thing I saw from you was a blog post saying that Mark Cross was some kind of genius and that you had been wrong in your previous stance.

I don't see this conversation being about Mark Cross. Who mentioned Mr. Cross?

 

[Matt Collins]

From what I remember of the articles I saw nothing but childish behavior painting all Ron Paul Suppoters in a bad light.

The Orlando Sentinel wrote of their childish behavior. Embarrassing

Have either of you ever lived in Orlando? Have either of you subscribed to the Orlando Sentinel? Have either of you ever read the Sentinel on a frequent basis?


While it's surprisingly better than most, a bastion of accuracy it is not.

 

[Sandra]

Have either of you ever lived in Orlando? Have either of you subscribed to the Orlando Sentinel? Have either of you ever read the Sentinel on a frequent basis?


While it's surprisingly better than most, a bastion of accuracy it is not.

OMG. I guess the mode of damaging propaganda was not approved by Matt.

 

[angelatc]

I don't see this conversation being about Mark Cross. Who mentioned Mr. Cross?

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=9025

It is from another thread.

 

[Matt Collins]

If CFL wants their group to operate in a civilized manner that have the right to remove anyone who does not meet their expectations.

What rules did they violate? And what by-law allowed the leadership to remove them? Who makes that decision? Was there a vote taken?

I'm not pestering but asking legitimate questions that anyone in the CFL should want to know.

 

[Dustancostine]

Because to be a part of the CFL we would have to fit to their standards.


You don't know that. I don't know that. No one know knows why they would want to do that. That's why we need some binding documents so we can have a clue as to what to expect.





The 49 other states don't reside where Ron is unfortunately.


I would like to think so, I mean we all would, but it pays to be skeptical. Afterall we have evidence of this when they just expelled two major leaders of the liberty movement in Florida.

Absolutely right. But the CFL is the best organization with the most potential right now to nationally advance the cause of liberty. Why? Because it's non-partisan and is the result of the RP '08 campaign.

Matt,

I don't know what else to tell you. This is what we are doing in Texas. This is what is working. We are not worried about the CFL, the CFL will not determine the success of liberty in Texas, the people of Texas will (while I do hope the CFL plays a significant role). I have given you all of the information that I have, I hope it helps.

Sitting around waiting until you get a satisfactory answer from the CFL will not be productive for you. Instead of waiting do something (which I am sure you haven't up to this point), form whatever organization you need in Tennessee. That is my advice.

--Dustan

 

[ShannonOBrien]

The Orlando Sentinel wrote of their childish behavior. Embarrassing

What was the childish behavior? I've seen a couple of posts about the Orlando thing but it wasn't really clear to me what happened.

 

[Imperial]

What an utterly pointless and rehashed argument going on here.

We have an idea of how CFL will work in individual states. Accept it or reject it.
Ask any questions you need to of it. Move on.

 

[heath.whiteaker]

I thought we were talking about the orlando C4L crew... not Cross. I still am on board with what Mark did as I have already seen the benefits first hand.