CFL State Organization Info

[LibertyEagle]

I have my emoticons blocked.

You're in this thread because......?

Probably for the same reason you are here. I chose to be.

I must have missed the memo about needing to ask your permission.

 

[angelatc]

I am here because I wanted to read the message the Texan posted.

I am posting here to point out that you now have an obsession with instigating Matt.

 

[Sandra]

I am here because I wanted to read the message the Texan posted.

I am posting here to point out that you now have an obsession with instigating Matt.

No, Matt has consistantly posted to harass pro CFL thread posters. And there you are in tandem with Matt, always.

 

[angelatc]

No, Matt has consistantly posted to harass pro CFL thread posters. And there you are in tandem with Matt, always.

Ok, you I can put on ignore.

Just for a little while, as we usually agree.

 

[Melissa]

So now you get to decide what I "need to know"?

Ok now I will be one more person in a leadership position that will stop talking to you, and you wonder why no one wants to answer anything from you, I was trying to help and then you say something smart, you win, wont try to answer your questions anymore will let you just post in RPF to your hearts content with having no one answering your questions so you can just keep complaining how wonderful you are and the CFL leadership is horrible, but remember Dr. Paul's message about blowback, I think you are proof why it happens

 

[LibertyEagle]

Uh, Angela, I live in Texas. In case you didn't notice. Sooooo, a thread about what's happening in TEXAS just might be of a little interest to me.

 

[Dustancostine]

That doesn't make any sense because then it'll have to go back and get redone if not up to the standards set by CFL-HQ.

Why would you redo your state organization if the CFL didn't like it but it was working? Why would the CFL ask you to change your organization if it is working? They won't. Build something that works and you'll be fine.

And if the CFL decides later on it doesn't like what you have done and wants you to completely redo it?

If the CFL has a problem with our organization in Texas, then they will have to get over it. I don't see that as happening as Ron has personally endorsed our meetings and our ISC is on the board of the CFL.

The grassroots in Texas has built a strong relationship with each other through the campaign and the Republican Convention process. We are more tired to each other than the CFL. If we build something good and the CFL doesn't recognize it then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Besides what is more important building an organization that will be effective in spreading liberty and freedom and getting people elected, or having recognition from the CFL?

 

[Melissa]

Why would you redo your state organization if the CFL didn't like it but it was working? Why would the CFL ask you to change your organization if it is working? They won't. Build something that works and you'll be fine.




If the CFL has a problem with our organization in Texas, then they will have to get over it. I don't see that as happening as Ron has personally endorsed our meetings and our ISC is on the board of the CFL.

The grassroots in Texas has built a strong relationship with each other through the campaign and the Republican Convention process. We are more tired to each other than the CFL. If we build something good and the CFL doesn't recognize it then they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Besides what is more important building an organization that will be effective in spreading liberty and freedom and getting people elected, or having recognition from the CFL?

amazing insight, wonder if I should bet on how long before someone still has complaints even after reading this (or maybe I should bet on who will be still complaining)

Please continue doing what you are doing sounds like Texas is doing a great job and I think your ISC is awesome

 

[Sandra]

I sure hope it spreads geographically... to Shreveport, Baton Rouge, then outward. The fervor died down from the masses to the few.

Shout out to torchbearer!

 

[Austin]

smh

 

[Matt Collins]

Ok now I will be one more person in a leadership position that will stop talking to you,

I don't see why. But no big loss on my part apparently. Oh and just curious what leadership position do you occupy?

keep complaining how wonderful you are and the CFL leadership is horrible

You obviously haven't read many of my posts. Or you are being intentionally dishonest.

 

[Matt Collins]

No, Matt has consistantly posted to harass pro CFL thread posters.

Absolutely not. I'm "pro CFL".... you should really get to understand the situation before you libel them.

 

[Matt Collins]

Why would you redo your state organization if the CFL didn't like it but it was working?

Because to be a part of the CFL we would have to fit to their standards.

Why would the CFL ask you to change your organization if it is working? They won't. Build something that works and you'll be fine.

You don't know that. I don't know that. No one know knows why they would want to do that. That's why we need some binding documents so we can have a clue as to what to expect.

If the CFL has a problem with our organization in Texas, then they will have to get over it. I don't see that as happening as Ron has personally endorsed our meetings and our ISC is on the board of the CFL.

The 49 other states don't reside where Ron is unfortunately.

If we build something good and the CFL doesn't recognize it then they will be shooting themselves in the foot.

I would like to think so, I mean we all would, but it pays to be skeptical. Afterall we have evidence of this when they just expelled two major leaders of the liberty movement in Florida.

Besides what is more important building an organization that will be effective in spreading liberty and freedom and getting people elected, or having recognition from the CFL?

Absolutely right. But the CFL is the best organization with the most potential right now to nationally advance the cause of liberty. Why? Because it's non-partisan and is the result of the RP '08 campaign.

 

[Sandra]

Anyone want to post bets on Matt's removal from the CFL? I'm guessing 1 week.

 

[michigan wolverine]

Matt if you don't like what CFL is doing resign. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you have to join.

You said you wanted to be like your buddy in Orlando. Well mission accomplished. You have nothing but compaints about CFL. You offer nothing positive. And you insist on playing the victim card.

Quit and try and get a life.

 

[Matt Collins]

Anyone want to post bets on Matt's removal from the CFL? I'm guessing 1 week.

Why would I be removed? I haven't done or said anything against the rules... oh wait... no one knows what the rules are...

Matt if you don't like what CFL is doing resign.

The only thing they have don't I don't like is arbitrarily expel two fellow patriots in Florida.

But everythign in my State is going fine... of course we need some binding documents from CFL-HQ to know how we should organize.

You have nothing but compaints about CFL. You offer nothing positive. And you insist on playing the victim card.

That is incorrect. I am actually heading up the majority of the activity in my State. Why do you make ignorant and untrue statements?

Quit and try and get a life.

Hmm... a personal attack. I should've expected nothing more from you.

 

[Sandra]

Why would I be removed? I haven't done or said anything against the rules... oh wait... no one knows what the rules are...


The only thing they have don't I don't like is arbitrarily expel two fellow patriots in Florida.

But everythign in my State is going fine... of course we need some binding documents from CFL-HQ to know how we should organize.



That is incorrect. I am actually heading up the majority of the activity in my State. Why do you make ignorant and untrue statements?

Hmm... a personal attack. I should've expected nothing more from you.

You quoted me as saying the things that wolverine did. Please change it.

 

[Matt Collins]

You quoted me as saying the things that wolverine did. Please change it.

You're right... sorry about that... it was not intentional.

 

[newbitech]

Matt if you don't like what CFL is doing resign. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you have to join.

You said you wanted to be like your buddy in Orlando. Well mission accomplished. You have nothing but compaints about CFL. You offer nothing positive. And you insist on playing the victim card.

Quit and try and get a life.

i'm shocked at the sentiment in this and the post above. the simple answer to matts question is there is no national organization for this movement. i don't know why people are so willing to attack matt for doing to C4L leadership what we all are doing to our local, state, and national governments. these comments against matt and nick and FL supprters reeks of opportunism if not outright hypocrisy.

if anyone took the time to understand what happened at the FL state level, as well as the local orlando level, they would understand that the original post are words that went exactly opposite of the actions taken by C4L HQ to INFLUENCE what is happening in the FL non-existent CFL and Orlando non-existent C4L.

Everyone here going against matt so far has failed to realize the negative impact that the National C4L has had on liberty organizations that are not only fighting incumbent GOP power elite, but now apparently fighting the C4L itself for political influence. National C4L has stepped on the toes of those local and state organizations in FL. IN fact national C4L has kicked FL organizers and FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTORS in the the groin!

And there has been absolutely NO explanation for this. NONE. In fact there hasn't even been any recognition that this has occurred other than what Matt has brought to the table. Yet here you have other LEADERS telling FL if they don't like it tough titties!

There is no remedy for the 62k+ people who supported Ron Paul in FL. We can't form our organization how we want, because if we do something that C4L doesn't like, ie: bringing lawsuits against the GOP for banning Ron Paul supporters, influencing the GOP meetings with overwhelming numbers and brute political force, question our "state leadership" of the FL non-existent C4L for asking for money to support his run AND getting Ron Paul's endorsement only to toss that support to the very incumbent that is on the defensive side of the lawsuit Mr. Greer at the last minute in exchange for more lip service and the possibility that his party might include us some time in the future.

Tell us what we CAN DO, put it in writing, and make it a part of the rules FOR EVERYONE! That's all this is about!

If none of the other "leaders" are interested in what is happening in FL and Orlando, fine go along your merry way with your local issues. But have some integrity and maturity in your arguments. Think about this, if we fail to hold the leadership of our own movement accountable, if we fail to support each other across county and state lines, then how are we going to even think about taking back our federal government?

Please remember that our country was not founded by a bunch of little cities and states gaining autonomy from the King. They had to work together and get behind the same issues that impacted ALL of them. All of this talk about taking care of your state and your county sounds good but if the end result is 50 different groups with 57 different issues ties loosely together by a lobbying corp, then we will have failed miserably.

Bottom line, if we can't APPLY the values and principles of our own message to our own ACTIONS and our own campaign, then we don't deserve a national stage.

Here's a few basic questions for anyone that I challenge to answer. If C4L is a corporation, then what is it's tax ID? Where is it's state filiing? Where is it's articles incorporation? Why would dues paying members need additional permission to affiliate themselves with the organization they are a member of? What legal grounds do C4L staffers have to revoke the membership of someone who pays their dues? Does that person get a refund? Basic Basic questions.

If this was the republican party wouldn't we ask similar questions?

 

[Sandra]

Newbitech, you, Matt and Nick go start your own thing and quit your simpering whines in the Ron Paul Forums. It doesn't belong here.