CFL - FB - Operate efficently and with the grassroots

[tangent4ronpaul]

Give up on recruiting new members and become performance based. If they focused on doing a few things well, the members and money will come. Stop trying to do everything and operate like a for profit business.

Mashup the site and let the grassroots run a good deal of it – let Daily Paul be the blog.

Use volunteers whenever possible or contract out small jobs. For example, there is no possible way they could occupy a full time flash programmer and 2 have volunteered in the past – but they are trying to hire one!

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Really the second item is very important. Not only does it break down the us vs them impression they've left with the grassroots but it comes to the core of why they have thoroughly pissed off a lot of the grassroots.

To elaborate again - Mashup the site and use existing grassroots infrastructure instead of recreating the wheel - then focus on what the grassroots isn't already doing.

Grassroots parts of CFL:
Forum: RonPaulFoums
Blog: DailyPaul
Skills bank and pointing to outside resources: OCH (stop pointing in, point out)
Chat: teamtalk I guess, or another RP chat platform
Broadcast: Revolution radio and break the matrix
etc.

CFL:
educational materials - (well, they are stepping on Freedoms ground's toes here)
precinct leaders program
media PRODUCTION
training
etc.

To do otherwise is a huge waste of time, money and resources. CFL needs to do a few things well, not trying to do everything and ending up doing it poorly. BE that big tent everyone was expecting!

-t

 

[Austin]

Really the second item is very important. Not only does it break down the us vs them impression they've left with the grassroots but it comes to the core of why they have thoroughly pissed off a lot of the grassroots.

To elaborate again - Mashup the site and use existing grassroots infrastructure instead of recreating the wheel - then focus on what the grassroots isn't already doing.

Grassroots parts of CFL:
Forum: RonPaulFoums
Blog: DailyPaul
Skills band and pointing to outside resources: OCH (stop pointing in, point out)
Chat: teamtalk I guess, or another RP chat platform
Broadcast: Revolution radio and break the matrix
etc.

CFL:
educational materials - (well, they are stepping on Freedoms ground's toes here)
precinct leaders program
media PRODUCTION
training
etc.

To do otherwise is a huge waste of time, money and resources. CFL needs to do a few things well, not trying to do everything and ending up doing it poorly. BE that big tent everyone was expecting!

-t

Hmm. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about abandoning all of the things listed under grassroots. I think an official CFL forum would be good if and only if they break it down to at least the district level. I'm not sure if Bryan and Josh are willing to do something like that for RPFs. Also, pointing everyone from the CFL to come register over here does just that; it requires users to register once again. We'll have to see if the CFL forum requires us to sign up yet another time. Also, in regards to the forum, due to the nature of the activity with the precinct leader program and other features native to CFL, it might be smoother if the forum where these things will be discussed is also native to the CFL.

I guess overall I don't think the CFL should abstain from creating forums, blogs, broadcasting, etc. Let the markets decide . But I do agree that the focus should be on education, improving the precinct leader program, media production, and training.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'm not sure what you mean by abandoning - CFL abandoning or the Grassroots abandoning?

A Mashup is embedding another site or outside resources from another site inside another site. Lets take RPF's as an example: they would still exist here, but if embedded into CFL they would also exist as a seamless part of that site. Josh and Bryan would still run it and CFL could have a disclaimer that they are not responsible for anything on this site.

On the password issues - that could be as simple as RPF's looking for a CFL cookie saying this is my username keep me logged in or as complicated as merging / maybe modifying sql DB's for username/passwd pairs, It's certainly not insurmountable.

-t

 

[Austin]

I'm not sure what you mean by abandoning - CFL abandoning or the Grassroots abandoning?

A Mashup is embedding another site or outside resources from another site inside another site. Lets take RPF's as an example: they would still exist here, but if embedded into CFL they would also exist as a seamless part of that site. Josh and Bryan would still run it and CFL could have a disclaimer that they are not responsible for anything on this site.

On the password issues - that could be as simple as RPF's looking for a CFL cookie saying this is my username keep me logged in or as complicated as merging / maybe modifying sql DB's for username/passwd pairs, It's certainly not insurmountable.

-t

I don't think the CFL should abandon its current plans to create and maintain some of the thing you suggested by handled solely by the grasroots (blog, forum, broadcasting).

Are you talking integrating RPFs and other grassroots projects into CFL via iframes or something of the sort?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Are you talking integrating RPFs and other grassroots projects into CFL via iframes or something of the sort?

Exactly! - look up Mashups if you are not familiar with them.

At least parts of grassroots resources. They might not want to host the liberty forest, for example, but grassroots central, the state groups, election specific and activist sections - for sure!

-t

 

[Andrew Ward]

We plan on keeping just about everything in-house to encourage our members to participate in our website and grassroots network. I'm sorry, but I don't foresee CampaignforLiberty.com linking to RPF or DP .

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

We plan on keeping just about everything in-house to encourage our members to participate in our website and grassroots network. I'm sorry, but I don't foresee CampaignforLiberty.com linking to RPF or DP .

In that case, I think you are looking at having some SERIOUS COMPETITION!

You consider yourselves "grassroots" - don't make me laugh! - you are ANYTHING BUT!

-t

 

[constituent]

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

wtf?????????????

 

[Austin]

In that case, I think you are looking at having some SERIOUS COMPETITION!

You consider yourselves "grassroots" - don't make me laugh! - you are ANYTHING BUT!

-t

Good. The markets will decide.

I'm giving the CFL a month or so to give of its ass and get things done. We've been promised features for ages now, and we've seen next to nothing. The things they do present are unpolished at best.

... If we don't start seeing results soon, don't be surprised if another web site is formed with all of the features of the CFL, except the PL program. Then again, we can use the CFL for just the PL program and do everything else our way (read:the correct way)

That said, I still do not have a stance on whether or not RPFs and other grassroots efforts should be integrated into the CFL directly. I'm more disappointed with the current features of the web site and the lack of seemingly common sense features so far.

 

[Austin]

wtf?????????????

He's expecting a cat fight. He's brought the appropriate snacks to fully enjoy said fight.

 

[constituent]

He's expecting a cat fight. He's brought the appropriate snacks to fully enjoy said fight.

naaah, i hate popcorn. it was merely an offering to the gods of forum in the hopes that they may bring a quick and decisive end to any battles that may ensue.

 

[Austin]

naaah, i hate popcorn. it was merely an offering to the gods of forum in the hopes that they may bring a quick and decisive end to any battles that may ensue.

Ah, my apologies. I hope my words have not tainted the great offering.

 

[Andrew Ward]

You consider yourselves "grassroots" - don't make me laugh! - you are ANYTHING BUT!

We are trying to gear this organization to be grassroots-oriented.

We've been promised features for ages now, and we've seen next to nothing.

A lot of promises were made by people who are no longer with the organization. We'll continue to add to the site and make improvements as time and resources allow.

 

[Austin]

We are trying to gear this organization to be grassroots-oriented.



A lot of promises were made by people who are no longer with the organization. We'll continue to add to the site and make improvements as time and resources allow.

When you have some time, would you care to go into some detail as to what proposed features have been nixed due to people leaving?

Thanks.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

We are trying to gear this organization to be grassroots-oriented.

Then please explain why all links point to you and not out to the grassroots?

Why actions you "support" are dwarfed by your attempts to recruit new members and as such funding for staff salaries?

YOU ARE NOT THE GRASS ROOTS! - YOU EXCLUDE US!

-t

 

[Andrew Ward]

When you have some time, would you care to go into some detail as to what proposed features have been nixed due to people leaving?

Sure. I know a lot was promised awhile back. The web developers at the time did not deliver on promises, so we moved on. What did we promise we would do that we haven't done with the website?

Then please explain why all links point to you and not out to the grassroots?

We want individuals to spend time networking with local activists on our site which is geared toward activism. You are more than welcome to link to RPF on your CFL profile page and promote RPF through blog posts.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

We want individuals to spend time networking with local activists on our site which is geared toward activism. You are more than welcome to link to RPF on your CFL profile page and promote RPF through blog posts.

NOT ACCEPTABLE! - and NOT GRASSROOTS!

BASIC PRINCIPLE: INCLUSIVE - NOT EXCLUSIVE!

-t

 

[JS4Pat]

Sorry, but what does the acronym FB stand for?