Cartoon: Ron Paul 2012 "Electable"

Guys...it was a freaking helicopter beanie, not a yarmulke.

If there is a large section of the perpetually aggrieved out there that can't see that, well, too bad.

At some point you have to say, "I cannot fix stupid" and move on.
 
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black_helicopter_woman.jpg

Please tell me that is Photoshopped!
 
shades of unreality just short of versailles just before the revolution.

the woman is a model and someone thinks the hairdo is high fashion.
 
Nobody made any attempt to police anybody's thoughts, but just to make people aware of the possible consequences.

Heh. See..this statement implies thought controlling via social pressure. What if there is a reverse pressure to leave artists to their works? That is not valid as a war strategy as you so inaptly put the twist to the scenario. it is a satirical cartoon. Not a troops movement. It kills me that one jewish concern troll can start all this shit with you clowns mindlessly backing them but if 200 artists got on and said they were offended at the misinterpretation then that would have absolutely no weight in this bogus debate. They can kiss my royal god given talent artist's ass.

Rev9
 
Heh. See..this statement implies thought controlling via social pressure. What if there is a reverse pressure to leave artists to their works? That is not valid as a war strategy as you so inaptly put the twist to the scenario. it is a satirical cartoon. Not a troops movement. It kills me that one jewish concern troll can start all this shit with you clowns mindlessly backing them but if 200 artists got on and said they were offended at the misinterpretation then that would have absolutely no weight in this bogus debate. They can kiss my royal god given talent artist's ass.

Rev9

I am sorry that you feel compelled to sensationalize my position. You would have to be a dunce not to recognize that there are those out there waiting desperate to ambush us. The entire educational point in this thread should be that we all have viewpoints that someone finds atrocious. Tapdancing on landmines may be a good way to get media attention, but it is not a good way to get votes. Since 2012 is not an educational campaign but a campaign to win, it is and has been from the beginning preeminent that we get the votes and win the race.

Cultures offend each other without intending to all the time. ENtire departments of ambassadors and protocol officers have been established to work to avoid the unintentional offense. That's basically a primary source in the culture war friction. Fighting a culture war is different than fighting for the Republican Nomination. They may be parallel, but they are essentially different.



I find your rationale interesting. I am warning about blowback for being (even unintentionally) aggressive, and now you perceive me as the enemy. Much like the neocons do to Dr. Paul. You are into high moral outrage and righteous indignation against me "HOW DARE HE BLAME US FOR THE ATTACKS!" just like they say how dare Ron Paul blame America for 9/11 when he's just warning about blowback.

If you destabilize Iran there could be blowback. If you overlook a pothole there could be blowback. If the wrong person sees an accidentally offensive image, there could be blowback. Now I'm the isolationist too, because I'm arguing for less agression.



Avoiding an ambush is not enforcing political correctness, it's refraining to offend someone for the purpose of planting wisdom instead slinging mud. "Look, there is a land mine. Be careful not to step on it" you tell me fuk u and go tap dance on it. That's fine, if you want to tapdance on landmines it's your sovereign right as an American, but just be aware while that may help win the culture war, it does not help win votes.

I suspect our primary disagreement is I am focused exclusively on votegetting. Not because I want to but because I have to. Without Ron Paul the country is done. So like it or not we need the votes. That's where I'm at. I'm thinking politically, I'll cop to that. I'm thinking politically because it is a political victory we are trying to win.

The only takeaway I was hoping from this thread, was be careful. Some hot head was probably saying the same thing to an editor at the Ron Paul newsletters over certain articles that could be misconstrued.

"Stop thought-policing me! This newsletter has nothing to do with Ron Paul except for his name on top of it! I'll say what I damn well want!" and 40 years later we wonder whether Reason.com will release the newsletter thing on primary eve again in 2012 like in 2008.

I dare say one of the reasons Ron Paul couldn't make it in 1988 was because our type never never never never know when to bite our damn tongues.

Changing the world and changing the politicians are two different things. They both need to be done. Different laws of physics apply to the activism world and to the politics world.

Anyway, I'm not an isolationist, I'm a non-interventionist. Stop calling me an isolationist.
Anyway, I'm not a thought policer, I'm like Ron Paul warning about blowback. Stop calling me a thought policer.

Do you see the parallels?

Together we can end the cycle of blowback.
 
gunny! you have metaphoric eyes on the back of your head.

some of our fellow posters must have forgotten how quickly

the media can take a soundbyte and exagerate it mercilessly.
 
gunny! you have metaphoric eyes on the back of your head.

some of our fellow posters must have forgotten how quickly

the media can take a soundbyte and exagerate it mercilessly.

Yes..They can. We must immediately bow down before this awesome power of unassailable distortion. I believe this also extends to shutting down all beanie vendors as antisemitic so we don't lose the election.

Rev9
 
Yes..They can. We must immediately bow down before this awesome power of unassailable distortion. I believe this also extends to shutting down all beanie vendors as antisemitic so we don't lose the election.

Rev9

If every beanie offends you that badly, then you can try and get them shut down if you like. I harbor no fear that will go anywhere though, and I would consider the project insane.

I am sorry that Hitler happened. I wasn't alive then, but even if I had a Dr Who box I understand the rules are I couldn't go back and stop him anyway. We live in a world where Hitler did happen, whether we like it or not. There are people still alive today effected 1st hand by the Goebbels machine. I don't have to like it, it's objective reality. It doesn't have to be intentional, such works even more powerfully at the subliminal level.

What has been seen, cannot be unseen. That applies to the 1940's too.

I say "that imagery is risky" and now you act like I'm public enemy #1 to free speech. It _is risky. YOU don't have to like it, any more than I have to like the fact that Goebbels happend. How in the hell is someone wrong for pointing out that "image B is risky because it could be misunderstood" owing to resemblance, would you rather people be unaware that such risk exists at all in a political world? just blindly stumble forward and do whatever because no actual risks exist?

As far as I'm aware I'm not passing a law to stop the display of one color beanies. I'm saying it's a risky image. The image bears risk. go or don't go. If you want to go, then fine, but don't go all ignorant that a risk exists and get surprised at an ambush.

This is politics, not advocacy. That's the primary difference.

and if not for the official campaign logo, it wouldn't even have been worth the first mention.

We should always think carefully about how we represent Ron Paul. It is not a sin to think carefully about such things. When we represent ourselves, we can do what the bloody hell we like, and I'll bring the brisket to your BBQ.

When we represent Ron Paul, I caution care. "Be an ambassador" for Ron Paul. that includes protocol. That's politics. Winning a Presidential election is politics, and I'm sorry it offends you that concerns me.

This whole issue blew up over something extraordinarily minor.

As we see from you last post, you are the one taking it up ad-ridiculum. A simple 'that could be offensive' warning up to somehow adding beanies to the list of schedule 1 narcotics. That's your path, and I think it's nuts.

"You are representing Ron Paul, so mind your P's and Q's." go as crazy as you want without the official campaign logo though. how is that too much to ask?
 
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