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No one has a problem with the fat, droopy-moustached, drug cartel head?
That's what I thought also -- I'm thinking trolls more than anything.
..... fat droopy drug dealer --- LOL too funny
Cartoon: Ron Paul 2012 "Electable"
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That's what I thought also -- I'm thinking trolls more than anything.
..... fat droopy drug dealer --- LOL too funny
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For like the millionth time, politics is not about truth, it's about perception. The plain reality is that there is a significant number of people who will be affected by the unintended subliminal. I am guessing that shortening the length of the Bernank's head and shortening the beard, deemphasizing the nose and removing some of the wrinkles will remove the unintended subliminal. You wouldn't even have to get rid of the propeller beanie. Maybe make it more beanie-ish.
Love the original video, but I am also an objective observer, and I've seen enough of the WW2 spam to see the resemblance that caught their eye. We already deal with too much lunatic fabricated BS nonsense wrt Israel, we don't need to pile on. I've used the phrase "handing our enemies ammunition" before, and I'm hoping people start 'getting' that that is never intentional.
You and I are simply not sensitive to the various Jewish caricatures that strike deep chords in those who grew up with a grandparent that survived the holocaust. I for one am thankful to freefromchains and Rafi for being here to point out things the rest of us might miss. I might shake my head that freefromchains jumped to a bad conclusion a little quicker than warranted, but I am outright facepalming over the troll-barb.
Wouldn't you rather catch something that could hurt us early enough to dosomething about it? Or would you rather something went out -- even if completely unintended by us and JoeCorrao -- that could come back to bite us on the ass? Me, I'd rather know up front so that we make good progress without accidentally setting up roadblocks.
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It's a caricature .... it's going to offend some people. Should we not have our black president on the video reading from a teleprompter because it insinuates blacks aren't smart? Or get rid of the Mexican drug cartel guy because it insinuates all Mexicans are in a drug cartel? I have Jewish friends and they are the first to joke about how jews have big noses and are wealthy... It's called having a sense of humor... being able to laugh at yourself. I would have never thought that helicopter hat represented a yarmulke nor did I know Bernanke was a Jew... These things were never important to me... But now the idea is in my mind, not because of the caricature, but because people deliberately drew attention to it, which is more of a problem than the cartoon itself.
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Wall Street Fatcats and Mexican Drug Lords were never the subject of propaganda leading to attempted genocide. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the reality at hand. Imagery, even if on a subliminal level, has an impact. This is why Obama as a teleprompter dope is not a problem, and yet while GW as a chimp was not a problem either, Obama as a chimp is. Because it hearkens back to another era when such caricatures were used as a propaganda tool to deny blacks the vote. The inequity is unfair, but politics is not about fairness or truth it's about perception. If we've learned anything by now, it should be that political campaigns are not objective, they are subjective. Our concepts of what's right and wrong have, literally, nothing to do with it. It isn't about us. It's about "how will this be perceived?" I've seen enough of the 1940's stuff coming out of Europe to know that - right or wrong - it will strike that chord.
There is a fundamental concept here that Paulers tend not to get, and we need to figure it out. This is politics, not science class. There is no objective reality in politics. Barry Goldwater lost because he thought he could rely on being 'right' alone. If you don't account for perceptions -- even misbegotten perceptions -- you shoot yourself in the foot.
You are right. You are overwhelmingly right. There was no intent to offend. The resemblance is purely coincidental. The problem is it doesn't matter. Politics is perception. We don't have to like the reality, but that doesn't stop it from being reality.
There is a fundamental concept here that Paulers tend not to get, and we need to figure it out. This is politics, not science class. There is no objective reality in politics. Barry Goldwater lost because he thought he could rely on being 'right' alone. If you don't account for perceptions -- even misbegotten perceptions -- you shoot yourself in the foot.
You are right. You are overwhelmingly right. There was no intent to offend. The resemblance is purely coincidental. The problem is it doesn't matter. Politics is perception. We don't have to like the reality, but that doesn't stop it from being reality.
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I (as the guy that did the animation) never intended it to look like a yarmulke...it was one more humorous prop to stick in there...I was going for silly humour not bashing.
No one has a problem with the fat, droopy-moustached, drug cartel head?
Very nicely done, sir! Very nice.
If this talk about the beanie worries you, consider modifying that sequence to make the beanie multicolored like the one pictured just above your post. I know you were kind of going for the mortarboard-turned-beanie look, and I don't blame you. But if you fear it being misunderstood, the multicolored approach will both remind more people of beanies (they are usually depicted that way, and most of the real ones were multicolored) and give it a look unlike any yamulka.
But, you know, I got it, and don't care myself. I like the vid just the way it is!
i saw it instantly as a propeller hat -- but that's because i know those, but am not as familiar with Jewish culture.
But Gunny is absolutely right -- if the similarity is there, and some people are taking it that way, then really, it is an issue. The goal here is getting Ron Paul elected; accidentally pushing people away is still pushing people away.
But Gunny is absolutely right -- if the similarity is there, and some people are taking it that way, then really, it is an issue. The goal here is getting Ron Paul elected; accidentally pushing people away is still pushing people away.
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Yes. I think the multicolor beanie would really fix it.
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Haha Awesome video. + Rep!I (as the guy that did the animation) never intended it to look like a yarmulke...it was one more humorous prop to stick in there...I was going for silly humour not bashing.
No one has a problem with the fat, droopy-moustached, drug cartel head?
Reminded me of a kid's computer game for some reason because of all the noises and stuff haha.I just think it's probably the color of the top that makes it seem like that, but yeah it's definitely not like that, didn't cross my mind when I saw the video. Thought it was just a random thing to make him look silly.
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Yeah.. This is bogus concern by you and Rafi. It feels like yer trying to tie hands with concern trolling. I don't whine when folks take shots at Christians. I am bigger than that.
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I really hate political correctness. It's censorship anyway you slice it! I for one, hate censorship! There is plenty of things out there that is offensive. People need to learn to deal with it. I am offended at war, I am offended when politicians lie and I am particularly offended that we are losing our liberties!! Consequently that is why our freedom of speech is going away, because there are too many thinned skinned people calling the shots!
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You are a politician. He is an artist. Leave his work alone. You were not the art or creative director on that and he has no frakkin' obligation to go back and revamp his work unless you want to pay him to. Concern trolls on the jewish issue are getting mighty tiresome and the backlash is coming out against this collective of control freaks. This sector of whiners will get their comeuppance just like the feminazi party within the feminist movement has. You have no idea how annoying this is if he did not mean that concept to begin with. Fuck the antisemitic bogeyman and its controlling grip on the arts.
You call yourself a conservative but the actions you just partook of suggest that freedom of speech in the realm of the arts is something that needs thought policing at a social pressure level. You talk about politics being perception. Well guess what. I don't frakkin' trust you because I am an artist and perceive you have no frakkin' clue about us and our trades and crafts. Your posturing is that of a control freak. Enjoying your power trip in the political realm? This door just swung to hit you in the ass pal.
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Good. Perhaps you have the cash to pay him to reopen the application, locate the artwork on the timeline, recolor all the frames and set up the animation with the propeller spinning and the beanie flying off and then republish and test. I would charge about 500 USD minimum for that because it was a finished and archived piece already released from my work schedule and would interfere with further work. If yer really that concerned dig into your frakkin' pocket and pay the artist for doing the work with you as the art director. I know you won't but think yer social pressure gambit and concern trolling should fill the bill. Hypocrite..and you are shilling for donations around here?
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ummm.... as far as i'm concerned, and i've read many of his posts throughout the years, gunny isn't a concern troll. there are plenty of those on these boards, i give you that (and i can name a half dozen without even thinking about it). but gunny's comment is constructive criticism. as i've stated, i -only- see a propeller hat. that's it. but i understand that some people see something offensive. if this were art, i'd absolutely agree that's on them.
but this is something more than art - it's trying to push forward a specific message -- and the key word there is 'specific'. if it instead offends people, and leads them to a completely different message, it's failing for that set of people -- not as art, but as message.
if someone was producing a grassroots ad for Ron Paul, and misstated one of Ron Paul's positions, we'd seek to correct them. We'd inform the creator, and hope it was fixed. 'Paying for it' isn't part of the conversation, because we assume the original creator was seeking to put forth a positive message for Ron Paul and would therefore want to create the best possible video to that end goal. Now, this isn't quite the same thing, because it's not a mistaken message -- but rather, a message muddied by incorrectly perceived image... a misconception that seems to be common.
We aren't here for art class. We aren't here to be PC. We're here to make sure Ron Paul gets elected. And that sometimes means constructive criticism. I don't care if that constructive criticism is PC or not, if it's good advice, it's good advice.
EDITED TO ADD: to be honest, i don't care if it's changed or not. I see only a propeller hat, and i think most people will as well. But that doesn't make a constructive comment, whether i agree with it or not, a 'concern troll' post.
but this is something more than art - it's trying to push forward a specific message -- and the key word there is 'specific'. if it instead offends people, and leads them to a completely different message, it's failing for that set of people -- not as art, but as message.
if someone was producing a grassroots ad for Ron Paul, and misstated one of Ron Paul's positions, we'd seek to correct them. We'd inform the creator, and hope it was fixed. 'Paying for it' isn't part of the conversation, because we assume the original creator was seeking to put forth a positive message for Ron Paul and would therefore want to create the best possible video to that end goal. Now, this isn't quite the same thing, because it's not a mistaken message -- but rather, a message muddied by incorrectly perceived image... a misconception that seems to be common.
We aren't here for art class. We aren't here to be PC. We're here to make sure Ron Paul gets elected. And that sometimes means constructive criticism. I don't care if that constructive criticism is PC or not, if it's good advice, it's good advice.
EDITED TO ADD: to be honest, i don't care if it's changed or not. I see only a propeller hat, and i think most people will as well. But that doesn't make a constructive comment, whether i agree with it or not, a 'concern troll' post.
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Gunny's attempt to control freak was based on political expediency. I saw a frakkin' beanie on Helicopter Ben until all this crap was configured by concern trolls to bring the jewish issue into it and place it at the forefront. It is pure bogus thought policing, societal herding and furthermore a fraud of misdirection. I am so tired of these clowns thinking they can trick people all the time. I know what they just did and I called them out on it.
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In trying to win an election, it is like you are waging a war. Some famous guy once said that politics is bloodless warfare. Avoiding a future ambush, is a rational battle plan. Nobody made any attempt to police anybody's thoughts, but just to make people aware of the possible consequences. No competent General plans to enter the battlefield without counting the consequences first. Politics is war, and it's war strategy you use to win it. Think Battle of the Bulge. How did we win?
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