Canadian Justice minister defends house arrest for pre-hate crimes

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Justice Minister defends house arrest power for people feared to commit a hate crime in future

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...ends-house-arrest-power-for-people-feared-to/

28 Feb 2024

Justice Minister Arif Virani has defended a new power in the online harms bill to impose house arrest on someone who is feared to commit a hate crime in the future – even if they have not yet done so already.

The person could be made to wear an electronic tag, if the attorney-general requests it, or ordered by a judge to remain at home, the bill says.

Mr. Virani, who is Attorney-General as well as Justice Minister, said it is important that any peace bond be “calibrated carefully,” saying it would have to meet a high threshold to apply.

But he said the new power, which would require the attorney-general’s approval as well as a judge’s, could prove “very, very important” to restrain the behaviour of someone with a track record of hateful behaviour who may be targeting certain people or groups.

If “there’s a genuine fear of an escalation, then an individual or group could come forward and seek a peace bond against them and to prevent them from doing certain things.”

The peace bond could have conditions that include not being close to a synagogue or a mosque, he said. It could also lead to restrictions on internet usage and behaviour. “That would help to deradicalize people who are learning things online and acting out in the real world violently – sometimes fatally.”

Mr. Virani said the bill would strike a balance, though, and would mean that content that is “awful but lawful” would remain online.

“There’s a lot of bad stuff out there. But this is not about the bad stuff. This is a much higher level,” he said.

Bill C-63 is designed to curb the proliferation of hate online, but it also establishes a new hate-crime offence, which would carry a maximum penalty of life imprisonment.

Mr. Virani said the hate-crime offence would only be applied if coupled with another crime and the life sentence would only apply in the most serious of cases – not, for example, for mischief to a garage door.

“What’s really critical is that it gives the judge a wonderful range of sentences. This is not a mandatory minimum of a life sentence, this is just a larger range, including what would be the maximum sentence,” he said.

The bill also would make online platforms swiftly take down child sexual-abuse material, as well as sexual content posted without consent. But the government stepped back from forcing platforms to take down hate speech within 24 hours, introducing other tools to deal with this, including through a complaint to a new ombudsperson.

The bill’s predecessor, Bill C-36, died before the last election and the subsequent consultation would have forced social-media platforms to take down a wide range of content deemed harmful within 24 hours.

What to know about Bill C-63, Canada’s new online harms bill to protect children and prosecute hate crimes

Mr. Virani said the current bill followed studies of the experiences of other countries, including Britain, France and Germany, which have produced similar legislation. Some have had to reverse course after challenges and criticism.

Since it was published on Monday, some lawyers and constitutional experts have raised fears that Bill C-63 could chill free speech.

The bill would allow people to file complaints to the Canadian Human Rights Commission over what they perceive as hate speech online – including, for example, off-colour jokes by comedians. People found guilty of posting hate speech could have to pay victims up to $20,000 in compensation.

But experts including internet law professor Michael Geist have said even a threat of a civil complaint – with a lower burden of proof than a court of law – and a fine could have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.

Mr. Virani said as Justice Minister he has sworn to uphold the Constitution, which includes freedom of expression.

“Of course, I’m concerned about any chilling [of] freedom of expression. I heard those concerns, to a great extent,” he said.

He said the bill includes various safeguards to allow the human-rights commission to throw out frivolous complaints, including a kind of “summary dismissal mechanism” if a complaint does not hit the threshold for hatred or if someone files a complaint in bad faith. Costs could also be issued.

Mr. Virani said for those categories of harm online that would not need to be taken down within 24 hours, he would expect the response of the regulator, ombudsperson or other body examining a complaint to be “prompt.” Fears have been expressed that they could take months or even years to adjudicate on whether posts should be removed.

“Time is of the essence and we know how horrible material can go viral very, very quickly,” he said. He added for this reason it is critical that the bill progresses through Parliament to committee swiftly so the government can look at amendments.
 
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Can’t have people “learning things online” now, can we? Like how shitty and evil the State, ANY state, is.

Tyrants gonna tyrannize.

Do not fear, comrade! Comrade Virani has assured us that the rules will be “calibrated carefully" and will "strike a balance". How can you doubt this?

I am fully confident that the rules will indeed be calibrated carefully - quite carefully - and that a balance will indeed be struck. (However, it would perhaps be best not to inquire too closely into what is being "balanced" with what, it being better that we should keep our minds upon our labors and leave matters of the State to the State.)
 
“What’s really critical is that it gives the judge a wonderful range of sentences. This is not a mandatory minimum of a life sentence, this is just a larger range, including what would be the maximum sentence,” he said.

Such broad arbitrariness in the application of the law is a defining characteristic of anarcho-tyranny.

Anarcho-tyranny has advanced to the point at which they are now comfortable openly boasting about how broadly arbitrary they intend to be.

(And we are expected to take comfort in the possibility that punishments might not be as draconian as a "life sentence".)

Mr. Virani said as Justice Minister he has sworn to uphold the Constitution, which includes freedom of expression.

And the Soviet Union had ministers who also swore to uphold the Soviet constitution, which also included freedom of expression.

How'd that work out for them?
 
My headline got cut.

I did that - but merely for the sake of concision.

To the extent that Comrade Virani's status as a "Ugandan wog" might be of any interest, it was referenced nowhere outside the thread title.

Thus, being of no particular relevance to any of the content in the OP, it seemed gratuitously superfluous.
 
I did that - but merely for the sake of concision.

To the extent that Comrade Virani's status as a "Ugandan wog" might be of any interest, it was referenced nowhere outside the thread title.

Thus, being of no particular relevance to any of the content in the OP, it seemed gratuitously superfluous.

I understand.

My purpose was to point out, yet again, that many of these policies are being promoted by foreigners within government.

Ilhan Omar would love this.
 
My purpose was to point out, yet again, that many of these policies are being promoted by foreigners within government.

Ilhan Omar would love this.

Indeed - and that is a point worth making.

Not that there aren't plenty of "homegrown" anarcho-tyrants (from long "homegrown" lineages) who desire and promote the same things.

In fact, all those "homegrown" ones are the primary reason the "imported" ones are even here in the first place.
 
"Will Help deradicalazie people"
It will actually do the opposite.


This bill in Canada has a lot of locals being opposed to it.


This reeks of dictatorship,control while claiming you protecting others.
 
It will actually do the opposite.


This bill in Canada has a lot of locals being opposed to it.


This reeks of dictatorship,control while claiming you protecting others.


But they view it as effective.

In Europe, questioning historical aspects of WW2 will land you in prison.

Almost no one discusses it, openly.
 
But they view it as effective.

In Europe, questioning historical aspects of WW2 will land you in prison.

Almost no one discusses it, openly.
Locally there were a couple of people talking about this bill and most of them and they said they are not for this bill despite them being Liberal voters that voted Liberal locally.


The problem with this hate speech.

A black person or any minority person could say hateful/racist things to Whites/Europeans.


Will this bill arrest them as well? or does this bill protect a group of people that the govt wants to protect?
 
Do not fear, comrade! Comrade Virani has assured us that the rules will be “calibrated carefully" and will "strike a balance". How can you doubt this?

I am fully confident that the rules will indeed be calibrated carefully - quite carefully - and that a balance will indeed be struck. (However, it would perhaps be best not to inquire too closely into what is being "balanced" with what, it being better that we should keep our minds upon our labors and leave matters of the State to the State.)


Clearly, Comrade, your advice is excellent, as usual.

I shall endeavor to “leave matters of the State to the State.” May Differently Sized Gender Non-Specific Crèche Companion guide them in their efforts.
 
I don't see how Jordan Peterson survives in Canada for much longer.
 
I have no doubt they are trying to do anything to silence rebel news media with this bill or any independent trying to form in Canada.
Good luck being independent journalist in Canada.

Not that i like the Rebel News but still no doubt they are after independent media.
 
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