Can you be pro-choice and a libertarian?

[Paulbot99]

From the LP website:



1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

It is a good thing libertarians are more willing to defy party dogma than others.

 

[Origanalist]

I'm against government interference on matters which require violation of privacy to enforce. So what happens in your car and in your bedroom, is not the government's business.

Abortions don't generally happen in the bedroom. Or the car.

 

[Origanalist]

Liberty and life for me, not for thee.

Be gone you fucking parasite! You are just a uninvited guest who strangely and through no fault of my own just appeared in my body!

 

[PRB]

Abortions don't generally happen in the bedroom. Or the car.

they happen in a hospital room, which is also a legally protected private space.

 

[PRB]

Liberty and life for me, not for thee.

Be gone you fucking parasite! You are just a uninvited guest who strangely and through no fault of my own just appeared in my body!

such as rape

 

[Origanalist]

such as rape

Statistical red herring.

 

[Origanalist]

they happen in a hospital room, which is also a legally protected private space.

Oh yeah, I forgot. It's a "medical procedure".

 

[69360]

It's just a word, who gives a crap, call yourself whatever makes you happy.

 

[eduardo89]

they happen in a hospital room, which is also a legally protected private space.

No they don't.

 

[PRB]

Oh yeah, I forgot. It's a "medical procedure".

anything that requires a doctor's expertise is a medical procedure, regardless of whether it's cosmetic or fatal or necessary.

 

[PRB]

No they don't.

where are they then?

 

[Origanalist]

It's just a word, who gives a crap, call yourself whatever makes you happy.

I'm a space truckin' armored velociraptor.

 

[eduardo89]

where are they then?

In abortion centres. Why do you think there's such a controversy on the left about them being regulated as ambulatory centres? It's because they don't meet basic medical standards for even outpatient care.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

where are they then?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm a space truckin' armored velociraptor.

I want you on my team when we play frisbee in the park.

 

[PRB]

Which is protected in the same way as hospital rooms, places where doctors work, doctor-patient confidentiality is one of the most protected private spaces in US law.

 

[Antischism]

Yes. The fact that you're asking this question just reinforces my belief that libertarianism has been hijacked by social conservatives. Lew Rockwell and the like did a disservice to libertarianism in the 90's with the paleo strategy to appeal to so-cons. http://mises.org/journals/liberty/Liberty_Magazine_January_1990.pdf

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes. The fact that you're asking this question just reinforces my belief that libertarianism has been hijacked by social conservatives.

The libertarian movement has always been pretty divided WRT abortion. It's a "big tent" sort of movement, so we wind up with lots of warring factions.

 

[Antischism]

The libertarian movement has always been pretty divided WRT abortion. It's a "big tent" sort of movement, so we wind up with lots of warring factions.

While this is true, you have to admit that the paleo strategy as well as the more recent movement in the U.S. over the last few years has introduced a lot of social conservatism to the movement and has made it so people associate libertarianism with social conservative/tea party dogma. It really irks me personally because it leads people to believe there's only this more so-con/right-wing version of libertarianism when there are plenty who hold more leftist views on social issues.

 

[PRB]

Yes. The fact that you're asking this question just reinforces my belief that libertarianism has been hijacked by social conservatives. Lew Rockwell and the like did a disservice to libertarianism in the 90's with the paleo strategy to appeal to so-cons. http://mises.org/journals/liberty/Liberty_Magazine_January_1990.pdf

do you call this guy a hijacker?
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html