Can we average $18k an hour between now and midnight?

[erowe1]

You're almost no different than these neo-con bastards. You leave no room for compromise. Quit trying to shove your will onto others. We've said no a thousand times already, the 5th is still going. When is it going to sink in?

I am unable to shove my will on anyone. Some people will agree others will not. For those who agree there is a change of plans. And the new plans are just as official as the old ones.

Just remember everyone, the actual campaign needs money now, the more the better, the sooner the better. If you're able to donate, it's better to do so than to save that money until Nov. 5th. And if you signed the pledge to donate on Nov. 5th, then you can rest assured that you have fully discharged your duty by giving that money before the date you promised.

 

[Lyn]

This waste of time and energy is ridiculous. Bomb as you feel led. If you want to bomb early and often then go ahead. If you want to wait then do so.

Honestly though, if certain people set up the Nov. 5 bomb it is really not your place to announce a change in their plans. Anymore than it is right to announce that you have just changed the bike route for the Ron Paul Riders. Its not your plan to change. But feel free to give as you see fit. We should all remember we are pushing for Personal liberty and freedom. I see little of that here. Just a lot of nanny wannabees.

 

[werdd]

why are you guys so freaking obsessed with november the fifth to hell with the movie and to to hell with the date when we got a goal to meet NOW.

 

[enjerth]

When did I say the campaign has anything to do with the RPMB?

But you cannot continue to phrase this "change of plans" in order to intentionally trick people into thinking the campaign or the organizers of the RPMB authorized this nonexistent "change of plans."

It certainly seems like you implied that the RPMB is coordinated with the campaign by your association of the two here. Certainly you are saying that the campaign does not authorize giving now rather than later.

 

[erowe1]

This waste of time and energy is ridiculous. Bomb as you feel led. If you want to bomb early and often then go ahead. If you want to wait then do so.

Honestly though, if certain people set up the Nov. 5 bomb it is really not your place to announce a change in their plans. Anymore than it is right to announce that you have just changed the bike route for the Ron Paul Riders. Its not your plan to change. But feel free to give as you see fit. We should all remember we are pushing for Personal liberty and freedom. I see little of that here. Just a lot of nanny wannabees.

I don't know anything about the Ron Paul Riders, but if I and some of the Ron Paul Riders want to ride our bikes on a different path than some of the other Ron Paul Riders, then we have as much authority to make those new plans as the original Ron Paul Riders had to make their original plans. You can ride with whomever you want to ride, and you can donate with whomever you want to donate.

Those of us who want to maximize the value of our donation, if we have money that we were going to wait until Nov. 5th to donate, and we are able to donate it now, then we will donate it now. That is our change of plans. Other people care more about a symbolic date and will sit on their money and follow the old plans instead of the changed plans.

To those who agree with the more the better, the sooner the better:
Spread the word! It's working! Keep up the great work!

 

[NinjaPirate]

why are you guys so freaking obsessed with november the fifth to hell with the movie and to to hell with the date when we got a goal to meet NOW.

because I don't have $100 right now. That's why.

 

[erowe1]

because I don't have $100 right now. That's why.

Nobody has asked anybody to donate what they don't have. If you pledged for Nov. 5th and can't give until then, then please go ahead with that plan. But if you pledged money for that date that you can give now, please understand that sooner is better. And you will have fully discharged your duty by giving even earlier than you promised.

 

[Zydeco]

It certainly seems like you implied that the RPMB is coordinated with the campaign by your association of the two here. Certainly you are saying that the campaign does not authorize giving now rather than later.

I never made such a claim and the quote you cite does not support your saying that I did.

Erowe1 posted strongly implying that the campaign had stated a preference that people donate today instead of Nov. 5th. I pointed out that the campaign had made no such statement. That is hardly implying a connection between the RPMB and the campaign on my part.

Bottom line, as many people have pointed out to him, Erowe1 should not be making claims that there has been a "change of plans" or that "the campaign prefers" that people donate today instead of Nov. 5th. That he continues to brazenly do so makes him a liar in my book.

This is how the Clintons always justified (y) their lies: we're lying for a good cause.

Maybe, Erowe1, but believe me: every time I see your handle, the first word that pops into my mind will be: "liar".

PS -- Erowe, which meetup group are you the leader of? They might be interested in knowing that you plan on lying to them in a group e-mail tonight.

 

[enjerth]

You're almost no different than these neo-con bastards. You leave no room for compromise. Quit trying to shove your will onto others. We've said no a thousand times already, the 5th is still going. When is it going to sink in?

WE are nothing more than an enormous array of independent individuals loosely organized and united behind a single cause, after which the goal is realized we will likely once again be at odds with each other.

Just because a few of you have said "NO" doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to continue to spread his ideas. Backed by a need for meeting a current goal in the campaign, his reasoning is FAR better than yours.

Don't you dare think we won't turn on each other, including those who you thought were with you turn on you. Because that's what you did right here.

 

[Drknows]

why are you guys so freaking obsessed with november the fifth to hell with the movie and to to hell with the date when we got a goal to meet NOW.

Its a edgy marketing strategy that works. Just like broadcast for freedom is working, By making you beg for donations now even though the ads are already paid for and really this money is just going to raising to win The other marketing strategy.


NOW or Later that is the question.

 

[erowe1]

I haven't lied. I can't be responsible for false things you believe about me, so rest assured, I'll sleep well not even thinking about it.

The official campaign wants you to donate as much as you can as soon as you can. The goal of $430k by midnight tonight really does come from them. If you're sitting on something, waiting until Nov. 5th to donate it, that's a plan that comes form somebody else. This is all true.

 

[NinjaPirate]

Nobody has asked anybody to donate what they don't have. If you pledged for Nov. 5th and can't give until then, then please go ahead with that plan. But if you pledged money for that date that you can give now, please understand that sooner is better. And you will have fully discharged your duty by giving even earlier than you promised.

But you're coming off as: "We should totally forget the 5th of November and donate NOW NOW NOW!!!" That's what's pissing everyone off.

 

[CoreyBowen999]

If we donate to the Advertise thing, does it go to the monthly total?

 

[Brutus]

"And you will have fully discharged your duty by giving even earlier than you promised."

I don't know how you can say that. You weren't a part of the agreement so you can't say that something different discharges it. As I said elsewhere, I'm not really in on the symbolism of the 11/5 event, but I like its goal. I like the $430k goal too. Anything which fixes this country in a peaceful fashion sounds good to me.

For those who organized the 11/5 event and put lots of effort into it, I can understand how trying to redirect that would seem underhanded, so be considerate of their efforts.

Be considerate of others. There ARE egos at work here, on all sides, and there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with that.

 

[Blowback]

If we donate to the Advertise thing, does it go to the monthly total?

I'd bet that it does.

 

[yoshimaroka]

If we donate to the Advertise thing, does it go to the monthly total?

Yes.

 

[rp4prez]

$330k in 3 days is pretty damn good if you ask me and the clock is still ticking..

 

[erowe1]

If we donate to the Advertise thing, does it go to the monthly total?

Yes.

 

[C4de]

I'd bet that it does.

It absolutely does. You can see that there are no project code requirements and that ALL online donations go to both goals. The $430K is a subset of the monthly goal.

 

[NinjaPirate]

WE are nothing more than an enormous array of independent individuals loosely organized and united behind a single cause, after which the goal is realized we will likely once again be at odds with each other.

Just because a few of you have said "NO" doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to continue to spread his ideas. Backed by a need for meeting a current goal in the campaign, his reasoning is FAR better than yours.

Don't you dare think we won't turn on each other, including those who you thought were with you turn on you. Because that's what you did right here.

I didn't turn on anybody, I'm just telling him to stop with "ZOMG, DONATE NOWZ!!!!!ONE!!111!!1" Many have already expressed their opinion, now he's become just plain annoying. And I never said everyone should hold until the 5th. Donate whenever you want, but quit yapping like a damn chihuahua when we said we're going to stay on our current course.

I want to meet tonights goal too, but I'm strapped right now.