Can Ron Paul cost John McCain the election?

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YES! Just look what he did in Pennsylvania. You see McCain has a milk shake and Obama has a milk shake…

But Ron Paul has a straw that stretches acrooooosss the room so he can drink up McCain’s milkshake. Just look at what happened in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. It’s called drainage!

Eli Sunday: If you would just take this lease, Daniel...
Plainview: Drainage! Drainage, Eli, you boy. Drained dry. I'm so sorry. Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!
[sucking sound]
Plainview: I drink it up!


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Drainage! We drink up McCain's base.

Will McCain have a base left by November?
 
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Without a doubt....

FUCK NO

CHECK your premises. Totally flawed. If there was no Ron Paul, McCain would still LOSE. He has no chance.... NONE.
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing McCain lose.

We can't fix the GOP until we break it. As long as the neocon punditry class is still afloat and as long as we continue to waste money in Afghanistan and Iraq, we'll never achieve fiscal responsibility again.

We drink up McCain's milkshake!
 
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I agree. Once McCain loses and the Dems take more seats in the Senate and the House of Representatives, I believe there will be massive finger pointing among the neocons and inner fighting within their circle which will further weaken their grip on the party and make it easier for Ron Paul Republicans to take over. :cool:
 
But the people are still really stupid. I have no confidence that once the neocons implode that what replaces it will be Ron Paul Republicans. It will be some other form of Stalinist spin party that "social conservatives" will once again vote for and buy in to.
 
But the people are still really stupid. I have no confidence that once the neocons implode that what replaces it will be Ron Paul Republicans. It will be some other form of Stalinist spin party that "social conservatives" will once again vote for and buy in to.

might as well just give up now then.....
 
All I want is a nominee who runs on conservatism.....for once. I don't care if he only gets 30% of the national vote, I just want party purity.
 
I think mccain has a chance unfortunately.

If Hillary loses the dem nomination i think alot of her folks would actually vote for McCain rather than Obama, and if Obama loses some of his folks would vote for McCain over Hillary.

Personally i'd rather see Hillary win (sooner the better) and the obama bots come over to Ron Paul when they realize they're left with McCain and Clinton.

Wishful thinking maybe....
 
I'd like Hillary to win because it would keep their base depressed and angry. But I'd also like Obama to win because he's more likely to end spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and destroy any influence the neocons may continue to have.

Eitherway they're both terrible. IDK who would be stronger in the general. It's scary that Obama has such terrible electoral math.
 
I have a hard time with questions like this.

Ron Paul is the only person I'd vote for. Period. End of story. Now on to the trash candidates left.

The question that first comes to my mind is this. "How much variation is really in the Council on Foriegn Relations?"

If the CFR is completely unified behind a single mission, or if the Trilateral Commission is completely behind a unified mission then really it doesn't matter who wins.

Now if there is some "debate" inside the CFR and other "powerful secret world controlling groups" then which side are these three candidates on?

Are the Neo-cons actually a subset of the CFR? If so, Hilary and Obama would be much better because they may not be neo-cons.

To state the question again: All three remaining candidates have powerful rich people supporting them. Are the ideologies of the three powerful supports the same?

On a corporate level, they all are getting money from corportations who what policy changed for the good of their companies. So all of them would be almost the same in that regard.

The main point then being martial law and the foriegn arenas. They all seem to be a bit similar in that area too. Why? Because of the corporate support or because of the powerful society support.

Is it possible to look at the past presidents and the names of their top advisers and somehow determine if there is any sort of division inside the CFR or other such groups?

For example, why did Volker save the dollar in the late 70's? Is he not a member of the CFR?

Bill Clinton's fiscal policy was quite good so on that front maybe Hilary would be better for the dollar. Clinton could have spent all the money he could, but didn't.

It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
I would LOVE to talk with the democrats that you talk to who would HAPPILY go to the republican side and vote for mccain.

Don't buy that for a second bud.

I can say the word republican and you can watch them look at you in disgust as well as SHOCK trying to figure out why the hell anyone would side with mccain, bush or any of them.


Democrats are known to do one thing STICK WITH DEMOCRATS. If you don't believe it then ask any current democrat how many republicans they have endorsed or voted for.



I think mccain has a chance unfortunately.

If Hillary loses the dem nomination i think alot of her folks would actually vote for McCain rather than Obama, and if Obama loses some of his folks would vote for McCain over Hillary.

Personally i'd rather see Hillary win (sooner the better) and the obama bots come over to Ron Paul when they realize they're left with McCain and Clinton.

Wishful thinking maybe....
 
I'd like Hillary to win because it would keep their base depressed and angry. But I'd also like Obama to win because he's more likely to end spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and destroy any influence the neocons may continue to have.

Eitherway they're both terrible. IDK who would be stronger in the general. It's scary that Obama has such terrible electoral math.

Clinton scares me because NO MATTER WHAT, she will never say she is wrong. This is just another bush go figure lol.
 
RP will probably be the object of the blame game, but it will not be true. John McCain was/is losing all by himself. He doesn't need any help from anyone.
 
If democrats were willing to vote for Republicans Ron Paul would be the next President. They will not be pulling any votes for McCain. They would stay home first, and even that is not going to happen because they hate Bush and the Republicans so much right now. (neocons own fault)....
 
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