Can RFK Jr Win? With Special Guest Nicole Shanahan

[Swordsmyth]

And Trump wants tariffs to stifle our economy with high prices too.

Too bad you don't have any more principle than Trump does. You might spend less time contradicting the living snot out of yourself.

Trump was unleashing our domestic industries in combination with tariffs which would bring prosperity and low prices.

Carter did everything he could to suffocate our economy and domestic oil production, then he wanted to deny us the ability to put a bandage on the wound with cheap imports.

This isn't rocket science, tariffs are good when you unleash domestic production, and they are bad when you stifle domestic production.
Tariffs are a tool that can be used productively or destructively.

 

[acptulsa]

I misread your post and edited my reply.

Carter was as deepstate as they come, and one overridden veto doesn't prove otherwise.

Trump is the deep state puppet who only had one veto overridden. What did you think I meant when I said that happened twice as often to Carter as Trump? That Trump only vetoed half of one bill? The line-item veto is unconstitutional, bud. Crack open a book and stop making an ass of yourself.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is the deep state puppet who only had one veto overridden. What did you think I meant when I said that happened twice as often to Carter as Trump? That Trump only vetoed half of one bill? The line-item veto is unconstitutional, bud. Crack open a book and stop making an ass of yourself.

LOL

Trump not vetoing veto proof bills proves nothing, the unending obstruction and persecution of him since he took office is unlike anything Commie Carter ever faced.
Carter's entire agenda was Death to America, and he got much of it implemented, after which he was treated as a celebrity by the media and the establishment while continuing to push the globocommunist agenda when out of office.

And who said anything about line item vetoes?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is the deep state puppet who only had one veto overridden. What did you think I meant when I said that happened twice as often to Carter as Trump? That Trump only vetoed half of one bill?

You used one particular veto as your evidence and that's what I was talking about.
The others don't change anything either.

 

[CaptUSA]

LOL

Trump not vetoing veto proof bills proves nothing... blah blah blah

NO SUCH THING

 

[acptulsa]

NO SUCH THING

But the "Alt" -Right MSM has programmed him to keep repeating the phrase until people think it is a thing.

Just like this person does.

 

[fisharmor]

It's already a fact in the Constitution, a large enough majority can override any veto, and the uniparty will most certainly do it.
RFKOMMIE says he can't say whether parents should be able to mutilate and poison their children, kind of like how the left suddenly can't define a woman without being a biologist.
He's from the party of child abusing perverts, and you won't catch him opposing it, let alone banning them from the military.

This is the same reasoning the NRA used for 50 years WRT gun control. Our agenda isn't going to pass so don't bother.
And the second people stopped paying attention to the NRA and pushing things back, the gun argument started getting permanently won.
The only break in its stride was when Joe Biden directed his ATF to find a way to ban bump stocks without any new legislation.
Remember that? Remember when Joe Biden did that? 'Cause that was a pretty huge abuse of power.

 

[fisharmor]

We as a country are being tested as to whether or not we're going to put up with this coup any more. I don't know when or how we could possibly expect a better chance than we have with this Kennedy. It was, after all, his uncle who was lost when this coup was executed. Even the least informed and thoughtful voter can comprehend that concept.

I've only voted for president twice as a multi-issue voter, both times for Ron Paul.
Every other time it was a single issue that got my vote. TBH I haven't voted for president since 2012 because I haven't had a multi-issue candidate to vote for and the single issue I used to vote on was guns, and we're winning that irrespective who is in the white house.

If there was an End-the-fed candidate, or an Abolish-public-schools candidate, or a Milei-style Destroy-nine-federal-agencies candidate, this would be a no-brainer. But I think I've found something that rises pretty close to that level.

There is a You-don't-get-to-simply-call-him-a-conspiracy-theorist-and-shut-down-conversation candidate.

Some of us here don't remember Ron Paul standing on a stage with Ralph bloody Nader and encouraging his supporters to look into him. Ron Paul worked regularly with Kucinich. Massie just did interviews where he talks about working with AOC.
If we accept the state as how we are going to order society (and to be clear, I absolutely don't accept it as valid) then anything that gets done within that system is going to be a result of cooperating with strange bedfellows.

I decided the other day to vote for RFKjr and pretty much for the reason of stopping the coup. "Conspiracy theorist" is one of the coup's favorite and most effective weapons. And I am going to vote to try to force them to stop using it.

 

[acptulsa]

The only break in its stride was when Joe Biden directed his ATF to find a way to ban bump stocks without any new legislation.
Remember that? Remember when Joe Biden did that? 'Cause that was a pretty huge abuse of power.

I remember it, but one of the minor details seems off. Are you sure it wasn't another one of those deep state puppets who did that?

 

[Swordsmyth]

NO SUCH THING

Yes there is.
And repetition will not make your denial into reality.

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is the same reasoning the NRA used for 50 years WRT gun control. Our agenda isn't going to pass so don't bother.
And the second people stopped paying attention to the NRA and pushing things back, the gun argument started getting permanently won.
The only break in its stride was when Joe Biden directed his ATF to find a way to ban bump stocks without any new legislation.
Remember that? Remember when Joe Biden did that? 'Cause that was a pretty huge abuse of power.

Not trying to get something passed in Congress is entirely different from not vetoing something that already passed by a veto proof margin.
You guys are just desperate.

Trump's bumpstock ban was not the strategy I would like, but it worked, at the cost of a temporary ban on a useless gimmick he got his SCOTUS to rein in bureaucratic legislating from their desks and he took the wind out of the sails of the push for much harsheer gun control at the time.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I've only voted for president twice as a multi-issue voter, both times for Ron Paul.
Every other time it was a single issue that got my vote. TBH I haven't voted for president since 2012 because I haven't had a multi-issue candidate to vote for and the single issue I used to vote on was guns, and we're winning that irrespective who is in the white house.

If there was an End-the-fed candidate, or an Abolish-public-schools candidate, or a Milei-style Destroy-nine-federal-agencies candidate, this would be a no-brainer. But I think I've found something that rises pretty close to that level.

There is a You-don't-get-to-simply-call-him-a-conspiracy-theorist-and-shut-down-conversation candidate.

Some of us here don't remember Ron Paul standing on a stage with Ralph bloody Nader and encouraging his supporters to look into him. Ron Paul worked regularly with Kucinich. Massie just did interviews where he talks about working with AOC.
If we accept the state as how we are going to order society (and to be clear, I absolutely don't accept it as valid) then anything that gets done within that system is going to be a result of cooperating with strange bedfellows.

I decided the other day to vote for RFKjr and pretty much for the reason of stopping the coup. "Conspiracy theorist" is one of the coup's favorite and most effective weapons. And I am going to vote to try to force them to stop using it.

Working with commies always backfires, it's one of Ron's biggest weak points.
And Trump is a much preferable strange bedfellow, but once someone virtue signals about hating him it seems like it's impossible for them to admit the truth and they'd rather vote for Lenin.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes there is.
And repetition will not make your denial into reality.

There is no such thing. Any budget that comes out of Congress can be vetoed.

Your little dog whistle catchphrase is intended to mean that the Congress could override the veto. Well, every veto could be overridden. Every single one.

Your rush to cuck for Trump leads you to belittle the process. If the bill needs to be vetoed, veto the damned thing. Make Congress go on record and override it. Delay the process. Make them work for their bribes. Give what few journalists still exist something to report. Delay some senators' little junket to Israel. Use the bully pulpit of the presidency for something other than putting on your Mussolini face and posturing over the trivial.

Do what you were hired to do. Earn your salary. Make the bastards earn their bribes.

All you're accomplishing is confirming Trump is useless.

 

[Swordsmyth]

There is no such thing. Any budget that comes out of Congress can be vetoed.

Your little dog whistle catchphrase is intended to mean that the Congress could override the veto. Well, every veto could be overridden. Every single one.

Your rush to cuck for Trump leads you to belittle the process. If the bill needs to be vetoed, veto the damned thing. Make Congress go on record and override it. Delay the process. Make them work for their bribes. Give what few journalists still exist something to report. Delay some senators' little junket to Israel. Use the bully pulpit of the presidency for something other than putting on your Mussolini face and posturing over the trivial.

Do what you were hired to do. Earn your salary. Make the bastards earn their bribes.

All you're accomplishing is confirming Trump is useless.

When a bill doesn't pass with a supermajority it will not have a successful override vote.
When a bill passes with a slight supermajority it might lose a few votes and not have a successful override, UNLESS it is a uniparty priority like a budget bill, those will always successfully override.
When a bill passes with well over a supermajority it will have a successful override vote.

Those are facts.
Those facts mean that some bills are veto proof.
Vetoing veto proof bills wastes political capitol for no return.
Trump would have gotten even less of the good things done that he did if he wasted all his political capitol on virtue signalling.

 

[acptulsa]

Those are facts.

No, they're the odds. They're rules of thumb. They do not happen 100% of the time.

And what you call virtue signaling other people call exposing politicians for what they are to their voters. Better than relentlessly endorsing swamp rats in hopes they might do you a favor someday.

 

[CaptUSA]

Yes there is.
And repetition will not make your denial into reality.

Trump issued 10 vetoes himself. Only 1 was overturned. With 8 of them, the attempts to override them failed. The other 1, there was no attempt.

There is no such law, rule, or any other provision that makes ANY piece of legislation veto-proof. This is reality; not your delusion. You're the one repeating "veto-proof, veto-proof, veto-proof", but there is NO SUCH THING. It may set up an attempt to over-ride, but the vote to over-ride is almost ALWAYS different than the vote to pass the legislation in the first place.

Not trying to get something passed in Congress is entirely different from not vetoing something that already passed by a veto proof margin.
You guys are just desperate.

Face it - He had a 90% success rate when he actually manned up to use his pen. If Trump didn't veto something, it's because he didn't want to. But YOU'RE desperate to believe your fantasy.

 

[CCTelander]

Trump issued 10 vetoes himself. Only 1 was overturned. With 8 of them, the attempts to override them failed. The other 1, there was no attempt.

There is no such law, rule, or any other provision that makes ANY piece of legislation veto-proof. This is reality; not your delusion. You're the one repeating "veto-proof, veto-proof, veto-proof", but there is NO SUCH THING. It may set up an attempt to over-ride, but the vote to over-ride is almost ALWAYS different than the vote to pass the legislation in the first place.

If you keep posting actual facts like this you’re really gonna confuse him.

On second thought, probably not. Zealots just ignore facts and soldier on.

 

[acptulsa]

If you keep posting actual facts like this you’re really gonna confuse him.

On second thought, probably not. Zealots just ignore facts and soldier on.

..

 

[fisharmor]

Not trying to get something passed in Congress is entirely different from not vetoing something that already passed by a veto proof margin.
You guys are just desperate.

Trump's bumpstock ban was not the strategy I would like, but it worked, at the cost of a temporary ban on a useless gimmick he got his SCOTUS to rein in bureaucratic legislating from their desks and he took the wind out of the sails of the push for much harsheer gun control at the time.

Oh my goodness.... you literally believe the 5d chess thing.

 

[fisharmor]

Working with commies always backfires, it's one of Ron's biggest weak points.
And Trump is a much preferable strange bedfellow, but once someone virtue signals about hating him it seems like it's impossible for them to admit the truth and they'd rather vote for Lenin.

So it's OK to support an inconsistent politician who didn't do something that you think was going to fail, but it's not ok to support a consistent politician who is actually trying to do something that has even less chance of success. Am I getting this right?

Why don't you just go back to the Perot argument and admit that you are in love with the two party false dichotomy and are afraid people like me are the most legitimate threat to your god emperor because you'll have to spend 4 years hearing that he's a minority elected president.