can obama be beaten?

The single issue (welfare) voters are with the Democrats. That is factored into the national election polls.

Beyond them, your theory fails.

Wrong. Again, look at history.

What makes you think that the media wouldn't be bias against Ron then when they are brutal on him now?

You have to factor so many things.

A lot of Americans will love when Ron says, "bring the troops home."

But the media would distort his position on drugs, states rights, Iran, personal responsibility, health care, deregulation etc.

Look beyond your personal feelings.

It is one thing to say, "Ron would be competitive against Obama." It's another to say, "HIGHLY competitive."

All I have to say is look at history. I don't need "theories" or poll numbers, I need to only look at history. History tells me that people will almost always vote for a handout.



Game over.
 
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Wrong. Again, look at history.

What makes you think that the media wouldn't be bias against Ron then when they are brutal on him now?

You have to factor so many things.

A lot of Americans will love when Ron says, "bring the troops home."

But the media would distort his position on drugs, states rights, Iran, personal responsibility, health care, etc.

Look beyond your personal feelings.

It is one thing to say, "Ron would be competitive against Obama." It's another to say, "HIGHLY competitive."

All I have to say is look at history. I don't need "theories" or poll numbers, I need to only look at history. History tells me that people will almost always vote for a handout.

The media will be attacking the Republican nominee regardless of who he is.

Despite their brutal treatment of him, he still polls the best vs Obama, even better than Romney does, who has been relatively untouched.

Reagan had a pretty good platform in 1980.

If your ridiculous theory held true, Democrats would hold a supermajority in every legislature in the US.
 
The media will be attacking the Republican nominee regardless of who he is.

Despite their brutal treatment of him, he still polls the best vs Obama, even better than Romney does, who has been relatively untouched.

Reagan had a pretty good platform in 1980.

If your ridiculous theory held true, Democrats would hold a supermajority in every legislature in the US.

Ridiculous?

I don't know why you are resorting to being an asshat. Because I disagree with you?

And the Republicans have promised hand outs just like the Democrats. Or are you now a believer in Republican vs Democrat?
 
Ridiculous?

I don't know why you are resorting to being an asshat. Because I disagree with you?

And the Republicans have promised hand outs just like the Democrats. Or are you now a believer in Republican vs Democrat?

Yes, it's ridiculous.

I don't believe in Republican vs Democrat, but I do believe in Republican rhetoric vs Democrat rhetoric.

Ron Paul opposes subsidies yet came close to first in Iowa and is the only candidate leading Obama in Iowa. The candidate who opposes subsidies and opposes welfare is the only candidate leading Obama...?

A slate of Republicans got elected in 2010 on a platform of cutting spending, welfare, and subsidies...?

Reagan promised less than Carter...?

I'm noticing flaws in your theory.

Oh wait, that's right. Some people just want lower taxes. Ron Paul supports that. Some people want their husbands and wives home from war and hundreds of bases across the world. Ron Paul supports that. Some people want civil liberties restored. Ron Paul supports that.

Ron Paul offers a lot to the people. A lot that Obama never can. Ron may never offer a free handout, but that doesn't mean people will side with Obama.

As you see, elections are a lot more complex than your theory.
 
but I do believe in Republican rhetoric vs Democrat rhetoric.

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I have heard both for years. I have most often voted for Republicans. And I have been thoroughly disgusted and disappointed each and every time.

I support Ron because after researching him,, he has a history of integrity and consistency that I had never seen before.

I am supporting him despite Republican rhetoric.
 
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Yes, it's ridiculous.

I don't believe in Republican vs Democrat, but I do believe in Republican rhetoric vs Democrat rhetoric.

Ron Paul opposes subsidies yet came close to first in Iowa and is the only candidate leading Obama in Iowa. The candidate who opposes subsidies and opposes welfare is the only candidate leading Obama...?

A slate of Republicans got elected in 2010 on a platform of cutting spending, welfare, and subsidies...?

Reagan promised less than Carter...?

I'm noticing flaws in your theory.

Oh wait, that's right. Some people just want lower taxes. Ron Paul supports that. Some people want their husbands and wives home from war and hundreds of bases across the world. Ron Paul supports that. Some people want civil liberties restored. Ron Paul supports that.

Ron Paul offers a lot to the people. A lot that Obama never can. Ron may never offer a free handout, but that doesn't mean people will side with Obama.

As you see, elections are a lot more complex than your theory.

First, you call my viewpoint a "theory" when it is based off of history. I find that interesting.

Your opinion is theory. You are basing an outcome based off of what you think is going to happen. That is the difference.

Congressional elections are MUCH different than a Presidential one. For many reasons (which you can figure out).
 
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if gas prices keep rising obama will lose for sure
remember economy is #1 issue if the economy goes backwards fast alot changes
 
As of today, Obama admits he would be beaten by Romney. Well, his camp says so.

No one can accurately predict the future. Anything is possible with current events.
 
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I have heard both for years. I have most often voted for Republicans. And I have been thoroughly disgusted and disappointed each and every time.

I support Ron because after researching him,, he has a history of integrity and consistency that I had never seen before.

I am supporting him despite Republican rhetoric.

You miss my point. Republicans have their rhetoric ("Cut spending! Cut welfare! Cut subsidies!") and they still win. I never said they meant it.
 
First, you call my viewpoint a "theory" when it is based off of history. I find that interesting.

Your opinion is theory. You are basing an outcome based off of what you think is going to happen. That is the difference.

Congressional elections are MUCH different than a Presidential one. For many reasons (which you can figure out).

Yours is a theory. Unless you plan on proving it definitively, it is still a theory.

You said people will always choose free handouts. Yet Republicans are elected across the country despite their rhetoric. Now you're saying "congressional elections are different! There are reasons, but I'm not going to name any!"

And yet Reagan was elected in 1980.
 
Has anybody on this forum seen the you-tube video titled- Obamas Social Security Number tied to an alias Harrison J. Bounel 5-18-11. It has a lot of info about Obama and if true he should be imprisoned for life. Check it out. I would embed but the link goes to Presidential order of last Friday. Just do a search.
 
Has anybody on this forum seen the you-tube video titled- Obamas Social Security Number tied to an alias Harrison J. Bounel 5-18-11. It has a lot of info about Obama and if true he should be imprisoned for life. Check it out. I would embed but the link goes to Presidential order of last Friday. Just do a search.
What , you did not use an alias :) ??
 
Yours is a theory. Unless you plan on proving it definitively, it is still a theory.

You said people will always choose free handouts. Yet Republicans are elected across the country despite their rhetoric. Now you're saying "congressional elections are different! There are reasons, but I'm not going to name any!"

And yet Reagan was elected in 1980.

First of all, I said "almost" every time. Don't put words into my mouth in an attempt to win a debate.

Secondly, congressional elections are different because they are more personal than a national election. It is harder to lie and demagogue your opponent (Rand vs Conway) because the candidates meet more with the people of the district. Also, to prove my point with HISTORY once again, look at Ron. Ron has won his district, what, 11-12 times? They know where he stands on the issues, yet he would never get elected President. Districts are much smaller than a whole nation. You can win in a district that is extremely conservative, but the country as a whole is not. Also, Americans typically vote for balance in Washington. Rarely do you see a Republican White House and house. The 2010 election was a unique one and a referendum on Obamacare.

Thirdly, Reagan won because he wanted to lower taxes, there was massive inflation, and massive unemployment. But, the MAJOR reason Reagan did so well was because of the Iran Hostage Crisis. The crisis summed up the Carter Administration in the view of the American public. Plus, the American people overwhelming feared the USSR, so they believed in beefing up the Armed Forces, something Reagan promised to do. Reagan did talk about balancing the budget in three years (much like Paul), but nothing to the extent of 1 trillion dollars in cuts. Moreover, when a candidate says that social security, medicare, and medicaid are "unconstitutional" programs, they will almost never win. Even though Dr. Paul has stated he will not cut those programs, with his language of gradually reducing the dependency of the people on these programs will scare the shit out of the voters.

You and I view these programs, along with other entitlements, as "handouts." Whereas the voters view them "a politician understanding me and my situation."

Furthermore, Americans (on a whole) are more dependent on welfare and entitlements than at any time in our history. DEFINITELY more so than in 1979-80.

Also, a lot of Americans view Obama's foreign policy as good. We are getting out of Iraq, closing shop up in Afghanistan, and we got Osama Bin Laden. The American public overwhelming fear Iran, as well. Now, you and I obviously disagree with almost all of that. But, the American people see it differently, and that is the point. What does Ron Paul say? "Iran is not as big of a threat as we think." This scares the shit out of people.

Stop viewing things through your mind. Stop putting emotion into your argument and look at it through the eyes of the average voter.

Hell, I could even work for Obama's campaign and completely misrepresent Paul's position with ease.

"Paul wants to end unemployment checks."

"Paul wants to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid."

"Paul wants to legalize all drugs and prostitution."

"Paul wrote racist newsletters."

"Paul doesn't think Iran is a threat to the world. He is an isolationist."

"Paul thinks that poor Americans should just die in the streets and not receive medical care."

"Paul wants to deregulate the banks so that they can take advantage of the little guy."

....Do I really need to keep going...?

One last thing...

Name me a few elections in the 20th century where the people voted for BIG cuts while reducing dependency on welfare over handouts.
 
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