Call me a troll... here's my case... then I'll shut up.

[speciallyblend]

i agree

Im 20 years old and I have donated $100 to the campaign. I donated because I was motivated to see Ron Paul win the nomination. I also did a lot around here to do what I could to help RP win Florida. The way I see it, RP isn't going to win the GOP nomination and Im allowed to say that now that I have spent a great deal of time helping him out. Im not going to be motivated by the possibility of a brokered convention to donate any more money. As a college student I am short on cash and the only way I am going to put more money into this is if he runs outside of the GOP. Its not me being a bad supporter, I have given this my all. Its just isn't logical to give away money if he has no possibility of winning or doing better

same here ,im done the republican party doesnt deserve my membership

I'll do my best for Ron Paul,but it has become obvious the movement will not go further in the hillary republican party.

The plan now doesnt include the republican party ,the republican party failed themselves and helped in doing so,by mocking ron paul. well they can mock me now as they lose the election, WHOS TO BLAME ???? THE GOP not msm the gop allowed this to happen they encouraged it to happen ,they can now live with their actions or lack of

 

[RageAgainstDC]

That´s the worst thing you can do for Ron Paul and our message....

Yeah... i can't agree with that statement.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

Funny thing.... I thought you were part of this movement too. Care to explain?

I am a part of this movement. I'm not one of the assholes that chased Hannity around, or jumped down new supporters throats on this forum for having slightly different views, or screamed "9/11 was an inside job" at television show tapings. THEY are the laughing stock, not the movement.

 

[speciallyblend]

Rage againstDC ,your right on the money and im calling hq today to let them know.

Ron Paul has to run independent ,either way the republican party is dead , i have no intention of voting republican now after the actions or lack of from the gop and republicans across this country ,they have sealed their fate.

RON PAUL 2008

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

OK, so I've made a few posts this morning regarding how I think we should continue with our movement, and have caught quite a bit of flack for it. I ask you simply to hear me out, give me your thoughts, and I'll contain the discussion to this thread so that I won't piss any more people off.

I think we have to make a 3rd party announcement before the weekend. Supporters are leaving the cause. They see it as hopeless, and for good reason. Winning the republication nomination, though not impossible, is not within the realm of reasonable probability. To do so would require many things to happen, virtually all of which we have no control over. McCain would have to lose. We may or may not have to win 5 states (which alone is a stretch). Then we have to go to a convention and convince Huck's Army to join us instead of simply awarding their delegates, and likely the nomination, to McCain (whom they've shown support for already). Then there are the other neocons we have to sway to make the threshold. It's just not reasonable to believe that is our best bet.

If Ron were to announce a 3rd party run ASAP it would save his candidacy, and with it, our movement's growth. A 3rd party run is extremely unlikely to put us in the White House, but offers far better prospects that continuing to beat the dead republican horse. Ballot access is difficult, but do-able. The media blackout is nothing new. We have the grassroots organization and support to raise the money and get the message out to the extent that would be necessary for a 3rd party run to work.

We would have to start NOW. If people knew Ron was going to be on the ballot in November, a lot of people who weren't supporters before would join up (as it effectively beats the "he can't win" argument). A McCain vs. Hillary general is tailor made for an insurgent campaign like ours to sneak up and win. Half the republican party hates McCain, half the Democrats hate hillary. If a 3rd party candidate could ever be president, this would be the year for it.

So let's say we try and fail. What's the loss? Ron would lose his seat in Congress. That's a decision he would have to make. Personally I would like to think that he would find the movement to be more important. At the very least we will have had another year to pick up support for the cause, bolster our numbers, develop programs to move the movement forward, etc. If we don't go third party, 90% of the support will be gone before the movement ever got off the ground. We need time, and the only way to buy it is with a 3rd party run.

Please don't attack me. I put this here so that we can have an intelligent discussion. I promise you I am not a "paid troll" as was suggested in another thread. I'm just a concerned revolutionary, trying to plot a plan for success that is viable. Please help.

Replace the words "3rd party" with "independent" and I agree with everything in this statement.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

The book being released so late in the primary season is either a good sign for an independent run, or just bad timing

 

[RageAgainstDC]

Replace the words "3rd party" with "independent" and I agree with everything in this statement.

independent is what i should have specified. i agree that independent is the way to go. 3rd parties carry too much baggage. i had mistakenly lumped the two categories together.

 

[Computer]

OK, so I've made a few posts this morning regarding how I think we should continue with our movement, and have caught quite a bit of flack for it. I ask you simply to hear me out, give me your thoughts, and I'll contain the discussion to this thread so that I won't piss any more people off.

I think we have to make a 3rd party announcement before the weekend. Supporters are leaving the cause. They see it as hopeless, and for good reason. Winning the republication nomination, though not impossible, is not within the realm of reasonable probability. To do so would require many things to happen, virtually all of which we have no control over. McCain would have to lose. We may or may not have to win 5 states (which alone is a stretch). Then we have to go to a convention and convince Huck's Army to join us instead of simply awarding their delegates, and likely the nomination, to McCain (whom they've shown support for already). Then there are the other neocons we have to sway to make the threshold. It's just not reasonable to believe that is our best bet.

If Ron were to announce a 3rd party run ASAP it would save his candidacy, and with it, our movement's growth. A 3rd party run is extremely unlikely to put us in the White House, but offers far better prospects that continuing to beat the dead republican horse. Ballot access is difficult, but do-able. The media blackout is nothing new. We have the grassroots organization and support to raise the money and get the message out to the extent that would be necessary for a 3rd party run to work.

We would have to start NOW. If people knew Ron was going to be on the ballot in November, a lot of people who weren't supporters before would join up (as it effectively beats the "he can't win" argument). A McCain vs. Hillary general is tailor made for an insurgent campaign like ours to sneak up and win. Half the republican party hates McCain, half the Democrats hate hillary. If a 3rd party candidate could ever be president, this would be the year for it.

So let's say we try and fail. What's the loss? Ron would lose his seat in Congress. That's a decision he would have to make. Personally I would like to think that he would find the movement to be more important. At the very least we will have had another year to pick up support for the cause, bolster our numbers, develop programs to move the movement forward, etc. If we don't go third party, 90% of the support will be gone before the movement ever got off the ground. We need time, and the only way to buy it is with a 3rd party run.

Please don't attack me. I put this here so that we can have an intelligent discussion. I promise you I am not a "paid troll" as was suggested in another thread. I'm just a concerned revolutionary, trying to plot a plan for success that is viable. Please help.

Third party campaign will give us best shot, probably won't win, but will keep the message alive longer for this election cycle. YOu're right, McCain v. Hillary or Obama gives conservatives no one to vote for, except Paul.

 

[rg123]

I think Ron will definitly run 3rd party it's just a matter of when he decides to lay the smack down on the GOP. When he does it will be the end of the gop for this election and quite possibly forever. The biggest mistake in my opinion is the lack of push @ Illegal Immigration which 70% oppose & the Iraq war which 70% oppose. The campaign has run really no ads on neither. No ads showing the reality of what war looks like no matter how offensive it is. No ads showing the constant flip flopping of Dems on the war which neither of the current two will stop. No challenge to any candidates that they will not institute a draft. The war is the main issue and the campaign should be slamming this issue. I believe that as an independent with either the 2 socialist dems or a socialist McCain then conservatives will be left with either voting for no one or voting for Ron as they will just have to be taught that they either try to stop Illegal Immigration or they support the war. Their only chance at limited government would be Ron.

 

[Mastiff]

I support an independent run now. We have to admit that the odds are just too low of having any meaningful impact at the convention. I'm not giving up on the GOP long term; the fact that they are so conflicted and dissatisfied with the options tells me that there are still small government conservatives there who are looking for something better. The Republican options are so bad, I don't mind sacrificing 4-8 years to the Democrats so the Republicans can regroup and get their act together. A strong showing by RP as an independent could help them understand what we're hungry for.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Email the campaign and ask Ron to run independent!

 

[RageAgainstDC]

if we get hillary vs. mccain we could suck up the anti-war vote (it's not hard to slam hillary on her war stance) and the conservative vote (same goes for mccain's conservatism). the stage really is ideally set for an independent candidate to make a serious run. no obama voters will vote for hillary. half the republican base won't vote for mccain. we're already polling higher as an independent than we are as a republican. if it's ever going to happen, it's going to be this cycle, Ron just needs to decide whether or not he wants to be that guy.

 

[rfbz]

I agree with RageAgainstDC. If the goal is to keep spreading the message of freedom and limited government, which will do better to keep working toward that goal: dropping out of the race or running 3rd party? Running third party means RP will be getting a lot more attention because it will have an impact on the general election. This will give him a chance to keep spreading the message.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

if nothing else, 5-10% in the general (which is where we ARE POLLING) will send one hell of a message to the GOP establishment.

 

[Gadsdenfly]

It is up to Ron Paul of course but I would support him if he decides to drop from the Republican race and pursue the Libertarian Party nomination which he would most likely secure with ease. The LP has a national organization and ballot access in place all over the country. It is ready for someone like RP who has gained national stature to step in and take advantage of the years of organization building. I think this is the best course to capitalize on the energy, time, work and the money raised so far. Whatever he does I think he has done a tremendous job bringing so many more people towards liberty.

 

[Computer]

I agree with RageAgainstDC. If the goal is to keep spreading the message of freedom and limited government, which will do better to keep working toward that goal: dropping out of the race or running 3rd party? Running third party means RP will be getting a lot more attention because it will have an impact on the general election. This will give him a chance to keep spreading the message.

This is true

 

[expatinireland]

It is up to Ron Paul of course but I would support him if he decides to drop from the Republican race and pursue the Libertarian Party nomination which he would most likely secure with ease. The LP has a national organization and ballot access in place all over the country. It is ready for someone like RP who has gained national stature to step in and take advantage of the years of organization building. I think this is the best course to capitalize on the energy, time, work and the money raised so far. Whatever he does I think he has done a tremendous job bringing so many more people towards liberty.

We won't poll any better running Libertarian than we are now. A total waste of time and treasurer imho.

 

[Mastiff]

It is up to Ron Paul of course but I would support him if he decides to drop from the Republican race and pursue the Libertarian Party nomination which he would most likely secure with ease. The LP has a national organization and ballot access in place all over the country. It is ready for someone like RP who has gained national stature to step in and take advantage of the years of organization building. I think this is the best course to capitalize on the energy, time, work and the money raised so far. Whatever he does I think he has done a tremendous job bringing so many more people towards liberty.

I don't think I'll support a Lib run, only indy. Libs have way too much baggage, and justifiably. We don't need to be associated (any more than we are) with people obsessed with drug legalization, open borders and all the rest. Ron Paul is uniquely on the libertarian/conservative boundary and we need to keep that.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

We won't poll any better running Libertarian than we are now. A total waste of time and treasurer imho.

Actually, Ron as an unspecified 3rd party vs. Hillary, McCain, and Bloomberg as independent puts him at 10%, and tracking north. I know this, it's my job

 

[RoyalShock]

Now I'm feeling like a flip-flopper.

Assuming the general election will be Hillariously vs. McPainful (sorry, getting some Super Tuesday frustration out), an independent run might draw just enough conservatives and anti-war types to the Revolution to get legitimate attention. There is still no hope to win (Hillary will win in a landslide), but the message could get through.

Just please stay away from 3rd parties!