Call me a troll... here's my case... then I'll shut up.

[RageAgainstDC]

The MSM wouldn't give us anything. They haven't been giving us anything. That's nothing new. Sure a 3rd party run is a longshot. We've been a longshot since the beginning. We probably wouldn't win. BUT, we'd have more time to spread the movement. We'd have renewed hope and energy. People rally behind independent candidacies.

Also, the benefit of not being labeled "R" is greater than many of us believe. I've had many-a-potential supporter tell me they like his ideas but would never consider voting republican after King George.

 

[constituent]

ditch the third parties... i hope dr. paul will run full-out independent.

 

[parocks]

Neither the Republican nomination victory not a 3rd party victory are likely. I think that almost everyone agrees with that at this point.

Both the nomination and a 3rd party victory are technically possible.

I'd rather Dr. Paul proceed through the nomination process. I'm not an expert on delegates, but it does seem that we're getting more delegates than we're given credit for by the MSM. We seem to do best in situations where the dedication of a small group of supporters can make an important positive difference. That's the Republican nomination process, involving state conventions, delegates and such.

In addition, I really don't want to play the spoiler role, Nader to McCain's Gore, especially if Hillary is the Democratic nominee.

If there's any discussion of a 3rd party, perhaps Rand as the Libertarian nominee?

 

[speciallyblend]

ummmm

Okay, you've made your case... now shut up.

im sorry but he is 100% correct but you can go on living your fantasy world in the gop good luck

 

[speciallyblend]

i have no intention of voting republican unless i ts ron paul end of story
the gop made their bed let them enjoy what they made.
they the gop and msm have made a mockery of ron paul, enjoy the gop they have lost this election before it has even begun

 

[RageAgainstDC]

personally, i would love to play spoiler. the republican party deserves to suffer for what it has done to dr. paul. even if it puts hillary in office, it would be worth it. we can't allow the republican nominee to win or it would prove that we had no real influence. the only thing we still have over them is the fear that we will not vote republican in november.

 

[pacelli]

I agree that some concrete communication from the campaign, outside of historical quotes, is needed.

I'm an idiot when it comes to the whole 3rd party issue. I'm not experienced enough in politics to make the call one way or the other. I've always been your average mainstream registered republican. I hope that Dr. Paul makes the right choice. I stand behind him either way. This time I will not vote for evil.

I'm also wondering when the campaign is going to begin it's own 'attack phase'. It kills me inside to watch Ron sit by while debate 'moderators' silence him. I just want to smash things when I see that happen.

 

[expatinireland]

You are correct that the probability of Ron taking the nomination is low. The front runner will pick one of the other top 2 contenders as a running mate to consolidate support at the convention.

It is Ron's decision but if he wants to go independent or 3rd party he needs to decide soon as we need to get going on the general election campaign right now.

3rd party does not make any sense to me unless it is a new party as the other brands all carry baggage that the media can utilise to marginalise us once again.

If we sit around to see how all the state conventions go we will be wasting valuable time that is needed to canvass to build a large nationwide organisation that can pull off an independent run.

 

[patriot4paul]

I don't think you're a troll RageAgainstDC. Matter of fact, I think your ideas are well thought out and very good. Nevermind those who unfairly criticize you. It seems that some people call others "trolls" if they have different ideas. However, all RP supporters have the same goal - to see Dr. Paul become our next President. People should realize that just because our ideas of how to get him elected may be different doesn't mean we're "trolls."

 

[Redcard]

I'd rather Dr. Paul proceed through the nomination process. I'm not an expert on delegates, but it does seem that we're getting more delegates than we're given credit for by the MSM.

You know, I've heard this over and over here.

But I've also heard "Wait until New Hampshire." and "We have Louisiana" and "We're going to Win Alaska" and "Montana is ours" and other such things. Look, we have tried to play games, and we've done "better" in caucuses, but we've not WON anything. We got gamed to kingmake Huckabee in WV, and we probably won't get the three delegates there, and we got gamed in Louisiana by a mutlicandidate slate and people who didn't seem to know how to file for a change in party.

So , I'm sorry, but I'm tired of believing in "secret plans" and things like that.

Our credibility is GONE on those. Show me how you can get people to vote for Dr. Paul.

Right now, our best bet is to go third party, take the lib nomination, attempt to get the 5% , and then have more FEC recognition for the libertarian party in 2012 . Remember, if we get 5%, we can enter into the "2 party system" and get funding, air time rights, debate rights, and full primary rights.

Isn't that worth it?

 

[speciallyblend]

i disagree

I disagree!

I claim that easily most of the AMERICANS CAN`T STILL EVEN TELL WHERE RON PAUL STANDS ON THE ISSUES! So, it´s pretty logical that they won´t vote for him!

Think movement isn´t dying, it´s beginning...The Ron Paul-people are starting to run locally and that´s the way to spread this message!

Remember sooner or later people will be crying to get a man like Ron Paul elected, The day will come when majority of the people will want their freedom back, if we work hard it could come sooner than we think!

Back to these elections...

I trust on Ron Paul, I think he knows what he´s doing and i will support his decicion. That´s why i won´t waste my time on thinking 3-party run. Instead of wasting my time on that, i will spread this message even harder!

FOCUS ON GETTING ELECTED LOCALLY! TAKE OVER YOUR LOCAL POLITICS!

OUR MOVEMENT is just beginning your right but the republican party is dying this is a good thing we dont need the republican party,our movement will grow,we dont need the republicans and its pretty obvious the republican party doesnt want us,let them die,actually we can call it entertainment

i will stay republican until the day after convention day,but anyone thinking we will win the nomination thru a brokered convention is dreaming, we will not get the nomination ,the gop has done everything possible to make sure it doesnt happen, THIS IS REALITY to ignore reality is insanity..

good luck though within the republican party,it isnt going to happen anyone talling themselves it will,is lying to themselves. the republican party /gop has spoken already ,they endorsed the media blackout and endorsed the trashing of ron paul

RON PAUL 2008

 

[eloquensanity]

ditch the third parties... i hope dr. paul will run full-out independent.

Yes I agree

 

[parocks]

personally, i would love to play spoiler. the republican party deserves to suffer for what it has done to dr. paul. even if it puts hillary in office, it would be worth it. we can't allow the republican nominee to win or it would prove that we had no real influence. the only thing we still have over them is the fear that we will not vote republican in november.

The MSM has been far worse to Dr. Paul than the Republicans have been.

Remember the Fox debate prior to NH? That was Fox who excluded Dr. Paul, not the New Hampshire Republican party.

Our enemy is the MSM, not the Republicans.

If you think the MSM will mention Dr. Paul within the context of a 3rd party run, you're solely mistaken, unless it's to help Hillary in some way.

By the way, many of us here support Dr. Paul because he is by far the best Republican running.

 

[speciallyblend]

i dont need the republican party to take over locally we only have 20% registered in our counties ,running republican is suicide already here.

I'll run independent before i ever put a r next to my name,the republican party has proven one thing to me,ill never vote for a republican other then ronpaul.

 

[speciallyblend]

wtf

The MSM has been far worse to Dr. Paul than the Republicans have been.

Remember the Fox debate prior to NH? That was Fox who excluded Dr. Paul, not the New Hampshire Republican party.

Our enemy is the MSM, not the Republicans.

If you think the MSM will mention Dr. Paul within the context of a 3rd party run, you're solely mistaken, unless it's to help Hillary in some way.

By the way, many of us here support Dr. Paul because he is by far the best Republican running.

ello anyone home,the republican party endorsed everything by the msm by not taking action for Ron Paul,the republican party is behind every attack they have had on ron paul or lack of standing up for their only republican running

THE MSM AND THE GOP IS GUILTY 100% the republican party is guilty of not being republicans, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS FINISHED DEAD ON ARRIVAL

 

[RageAgainstDC]

I don't think you're a troll RageAgainstDC. Matter of fact, I think your ideas are well thought out and very good. Nevermind those who unfairly criticize you. It seems that some people call others "trolls" if they have different ideas. However, all RP supporters have the same goal - to see Dr. Paul become our next President. People should realize that just because our ideas of how to get him elected may be different doesn't mean we're "trolls."

Thank you. I appreciate that.

 

[fedup100]

Who is the troll that has sold everyone on this forum that a third party run can't be done or won? I promise you, that is the nightmare the other parties are hoping to avoid. They want him gone and to stay this course, he will be gone. Why will he be gone? He will be gone because trolls have been allowed to destroy the base as far as money.

You have allowed trolls to destroy this board and now most of you are destroying the rest of his supporters with this kind of talk. A third party run is his only option. No, A third party has never won, but times are different now. He needs to take matching funds and spend the next 6 months on getting his view points out. HE NEEDS A INFOMERCIAL DUH DUH DUH!!!!!!!!!!1

It is liking talking to a effin wall, a infomercial is the only way he can win. Perot was 100% correct. For what we wasted on a blimp, we could have put one together.

You know what pisses me off above everything else is the lack of communication with the campaign.....not an effin word about anything, just let people flounder and wonder.

 

[parocks]

You are correct that the probability of Ron taking the nomination is low. The front runner will pick one of the other top 2 contenders as a running mate to consolidate support at the convention.

It is Ron's decision but if he wants to go independent or 3rd party he needs to decide soon as we need to get going on the general election campaign right now.

3rd party does not make any sense to me unless it is a new party as the other brands all carry baggage that the media can utilise to marginalise us once again.

If we sit around to see how all the state conventions go we will be wasting valuable time that is needed to canvass to build a large nationwide organisation that can pull off an independent run.

I think, within the context of a 3rd party run, I wouldn't worry about "baggage" that the media would use to marginalize us. I'd worry that they would never mention him on TV at all, ever. He certainly would not be in any debates.

He would be mentioned on TV only enough to take enough votes from McCain to help Hillary win. (Assuming Hillary, it's about 50/50 Hillary vs Obama now).

 

[speciallyblend]

yep

Yes I agree

x1,000,000,000

i will not donate anymore of my money until ron paul announces a independent run and im calling hq to let them know. I'm over the republican party done done. I will vote ron paul as i am a delegate . locally i have to explain to everyone why im a republican, the gop is dead in my eyes now ,over and done. the only problem with RON PAULS MESSAGE is he is a registered republican, this has to end now.

republican party is dead in my eyes

 

[sb10]

No serious supporter should be getting any flack for debating a 3rd party run versus staying the course. It's a very tough call to make. I enjoy reading ideas from both sides of the debate.