Call me a troll... here's my case... then I'll shut up.

[qwerty]

x1,000,000,000

i will not donate anymore of my money until ron paul announces a independent run and im calling hq to let them know.

That´s the worst thing you can do for Ron Paul and our message....

 

[speciallyblend]

go away

Who is the troll that has sold everyone on this forum that a third party run can't be done or won? I promise you, that is the nightmare the other parties are hoping to avoid. They want him gone and to stay this course, he will be gone. Why will he be gone? He will be gone because trolls have been allowed to destroy the base as far as money.

You have allowed trolls to destroy this board and now most of you are destroying the rest of his supporters with this kind of talk. A third party run is his only option. No, A third party has never won, but times are different now. He needs to take matching funds and spend the next 6 months on getting his view points out. HE NEEDS A INFOMERCIAL DUH DUH DUH!!!!!!!!!!1

It is liking talking to a effin wall, a infomercial is the only way he can win. Perot was 100% correct. For what we wasted on a blimp, we could have put one together.

You know what pisses me off above everything else is the lack of communication with the campaign.....not an effin word about anything, just let people flounder and wonder.

your the troll for thinking the republican party even cares about ron paul,keep living in your dreamworld
I LIVE IN REALITY
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS FINISHED ,they want nothing to do with ron paul
they want us anti war small government republicans ,to vote for their pro-war big government intrusive republicans,NOT GOING TO HAPPEN,im not selling out for Ron Paul,if you can flip flo[ that bad then good luck enjoy voting for mccain and romney thats insanity

 

[parocks]

ello anyone home,the republican party endorsed everything by the msm by not taking action for Ron Paul,the republican party is behind every attack they have had on ron paul or lack of standing up for their only republican running

THE MSM AND THE GOP IS GUILTY 100% the republican party is guilty of not being republicans, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS FINISHED DEAD ON ARRIVAL

The NH Gop supported Ron Paul against Fox.

The MSM has been unfair, not the Republicans.

The MSM is the enemy, not the Republicans.


http://cliffschecter.bravenewfilms.org/blog/23576-nh-gop-drops-out-as-fox-debate-partner-over-ron-paul-etc
CONCORD, N.H.-New Hampshire's Republican Party has dropped out as a partner of a Fox News Channel presidential forum because the network won't let two low-polling candidates take part.

Party Chairman Fergus Cullen said he has failed in attempts to get Fox to include candidates Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter in Sunday's forum.

"Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures," Cullen said. "Consistent with that tradition, we believe all recognized major candidates should have an equal opportunity to participate in pre-primary debates and forums."

 

[John P Slevin]

I agree

OK, so I've made a few posts this morning regarding how I think we should continue with our movement, and have caught quite a bit of flack for it. I ask you simply to hear me out, give me your thoughts, and I'll contain the discussion to this thread so that I won't piss any more people off.

I think we have to make a 3rd party announcement before the weekend.

I agree with you and anyone calling you a troll or giving you flak, telling you to shut up, etc. doesn't have a clue and probably thinks the Republican Party somehow is superior the the D Party.

Whenever ONE of them can point to ONE thing Ron Paul has accomplished in the US Congress, as a Republican, then I'll give their opinions some attention.

 

[MsDoodahs]

personally, i would love to play spoiler. the republican party deserves to suffer for what it has done to dr. paul. even if it puts hillary in office, it would be worth it. we can't allow the republican nominee to win or it would prove that we had no real influence. the only thing we still have over them is the fear that we will not vote republican in november.

I do agree with this statement - in terms of causing the GOP to further implode, I'm all for it. Their treatment of Ron is appalling and that party needs to whither and die. They're well on their way to that, as they're about to lose HUGE to the dems.

The thinking that has been fed to the little GOP machine cogs (like my local GOP official) is that the GOP wants a Hillary victory, then she'll screw up the nation and the GOP will win HUGE in 2012. That's crazy and won't happen but the little GOP machine cogs are relatively ignorant and trained to believe their bosses in DC, so they've not questioned that view and have therefore assisted with their treatment of Dr. Paul (think the little assholes nationwide we've seen behave in totally rotten ways - Anuzzi, that guy in SC, etc, etc.).

I'm not at all concerned about the survival of the freedom movement, and those of you who found this movement when you found Ron Paul are why I'm unconcerned.

The movement did not start with Ron Paul's run for the presidency. His run may be what caused you to find it, but it existed long before you found it. The freedom movement will continue.

This run for the presidency has strengthened the freedom movement in a very important way: we are now networked. This is HUGE.

When a freedom champion runs for a local office in say, MN, I will know about it - all this distance away in TX, I will know about it. That will allow me to support his run with the lifeblood of politics: money.

Ron's gift to us is this network.

This network is what has been missing in the past.

We are now unstoppable.

JMO, YMMV.

 

[speciallyblend]

wtf

That´s the worst thing you can do for Ron Paul and our message....eyes:

not my problem ,its the republican partys problem
i registered republican for ron paul,not romney or mccain.
i support ron paul not the republican party, the problem with ron paul is he is a republican,he needs to leave . anyone thinking we are gonna win the nomination in the republican party is dreaming ,Ron Paul is hurting his own message everyday he stays a republican
after caucus last night my loyalty is the message not the party,the republican party has no interest in ron pauls message,


I am helping ron paul ,he doesnt stand a chance the gop has spoken loud and clear
the GOP WANTS US TO IGNORE RON PAULS MESSAGE AND ENDORSE THEIR CANDIDATE that goes opposite of everything ron paul stands for.
I WILL NEVER ENDORSE ANYONE BUT RON PAUL end of story
......

 

[MsDoodahs]

The NH Gop supported Ron Paul against Fox.

The MSM has been unfair, not the Republicans.

The MSM is the enemy, not the Republicans.

The MSM is one enemy of freedom, the GOP is another.

 

[speciallyblend]

i agree

I do agree with this statement - in terms of causing the GOP to further implode, I'm all for it. Their treatment of Ron is appalling and that party needs to whither and die. They're well on their way to that, as they're about to lose HUGE to the dems.

The thinking that has been fed to the little GOP machine cogs (like my local GOP official) is that the GOP wants a Hillary victory, then she'll screw up the nation and the GOP will win HUGE in 2012. That's crazy and won't happen but the little GOP machine cogs are relatively ignorant and trained to believe their bosses in DC, so they've not questioned that view and have therefore assisted with their treatment of Dr. Paul (think the little assholes nationwide we've seen behave in totally rotten ways - Anuzzi, that guy in SC, etc, etc.).

I'm not at all concerned about the survival of the freedom movement, and those of you who found this movement when you found Ron Paul are why I'm unconcerned.

The movement did not start with Ron Paul's run for the presidency. His run may be what caused you to find it, but it existed long before you found it. The freedom movement will continue.

This run for the presidency has strengthened the freedom movement in a very important way: we are now networked. This is HUGE.

When a freedom champion runs for a local office in say, MN, I will know about it - all this distance away in TX, I will know about it. That will allow me to support his run with the lifeblood of politics: money.

Ron's gift to us is this network.

This network is what has been missing in the past.

We are now unstoppable.

JMO, YMMV.

im not in the republican party for republicans. i'm in the republican party because of ron pauls message. the republicans just rejected the message,so i in return reject the republican party. fair game, lets play

 

[werdd]

Ron needs to stay in until the bitter end. Pussies quit, Ron Paul will never quit until its over.

 

[expatinireland]

. . . This run for the presidency has strengthened the freedom movement in a very important way: we are now networked. This is HUGE.

When a freedom champion runs for a local office in say, MN, I will know about it - all this distance away in TX, I will know about it. That will allow me to support his run with the lifeblood of politics: money.

Ron's gift to us is this network.

This network is what has been missing in the past.

We are now unstoppable.

JMO, YMMV.

+1 excellent

Whoever gets into office is going to have a tough time with the economy as we could very well be on the cusp of a lengthy downward spiral.

The Republicans will be blamed for the downturn however as it was all put into motion on their watch.

Which makes me wonder if we really want the Republican nomination after all?

 

[speciallyblend]

yep

I agree with you and anyone calling you a troll or giving you flak, telling you to shut up, etc. doesn't have a clue and probably thinks the Republican Party somehow is superior the the D Party.

Whenever ONE of them can point to ONE thing Ron Paul has accomplished in the US Congress, as a Republican, then I'll give their opinions some attention.

yep i totally agree,you hit the nail on the head

 

[John P Slevin]

good point

x1,000,000,000

i will not donate anymore of my money until ron paul announces a independent run and im calling hq to let them know. I'm over the republican party done done. I will vote ron paul as i am a delegate . locally i have to explain to everyone why im a republican, the gop is dead in my eyes now ,over and done. the only problem with RON PAULS MESSAGE is he is a registered republican, this has to end now.

republican party is dead in my eyes

A logical move and one sure to get you some harsh comments on this forum. Stick to your guns. You are right.

 

[qwerty]

not my problem ,its the republican partys problem
i registered republican for ron paul,not romney or mccain.
i support ron paul not the republican party, the problem with ron paul is he is a republican,he needs to leave . anyone thinking we are gonna win the nomination in the republican party is dreaming ,Ron Paul is hurting his own message everyday he stays a republican
after caucus last night my loyalty is the message not the party,the republican party has no interest in ron pauls message,


I am helping ron paul ,he doesnt stand a chance the gop has spoken loud and clear
the GOP WANTS US TO IGNORE RON PAULS MESSAGE AND ENDORSE THEIR CANDIDATE that goes opposite of everything ron paul stands for.
I WILL NEVER ENDORSE ANYONE BUT RON PAUL end of story
......

IF YOU DONATE TO RON PAUL, YOU WILL SPREAD OUR MESSAGE! THAT`S OUR GOAL!

I DON´T CARE ABOUT A PARTY, I CARE ABOUT OUR MESSAGE AND IF YOU STOP DONATING TO RON YOU WILL ONLY HURT US!

 

[Mithridates]

Perhaps the date of publication for Ron Paul's new book is based on an independent run? Otherwise it would be pretty odd to schedule the publishing date for when there are only a few primaries left.

 

[LibertyEagle]

...and you wonder why you're the laughing stock of the political world.

Funny thing.... I thought you were part of this movement too. Care to explain?

 

[speciallyblend]

i hear you

IF YOU DONATE TO RON PAUL, YOU WILL SPREAD OUR MESSAGE! THAT`S OUR GOAL!

I DON´T CARE ABOUT A PARTY, I CARE ABOUT OUR MESSAGE AND IF YOU STOP DONATING TO RON YOU WILL ONLY HURT US!

I have donated 400 already and i have 8,000 in debt. I will donate again once i hear an independent run,plain and simple ,if anyone is to blame ,its the republican party not me. this is the only leverage i have now as a voter. I will donate again the minute he runs for president.


basically last night the colorado gop told us to vote blindly,ignore ron pauls message and vote for the party that runs opposite of ron pau Ron Paul for President once he leaves the republican party.
i will vote for ron paul as my delegate in my county but ,im sorry if people think we are gonna win a brokered convention ,then they are truly dreaming now. The
Colorado GOP has no intention of ever nominating ron paul and the results last night show we will not win anyone over they are already brainwashed for mccain and romney,it will not happen. I'm smart enough to know ,the colorado gop and national gop will not let it happen the last yr is proof enough.


the republican party is braindead , the ron paul message is spreading far wide ,it will get no further then 10-20% in the republican party,we need to spread it outside the party,the republican party is done. they are deaf dumb and blind , super tuesday proved this and my caucus and what was said proved this.To ignore reality will kill ron pauls message. RON PAULS MESSAGE goes beyond the gop and truly its over their own heads.
we dont need the gop anymore to spread his message ,once ron paul leaves the gop ill donate 100 a month,until then the gop is dead in my eyes. our delegate votes will be drowned out by county level thats a fact...by the time we get to convention they will be mccain or romney not ron paul this is a fact to ignore this is to ignore reality

 

[gpickett00]

Im 20 years old and I have donated $100 to the campaign. I donated because I was motivated to see Ron Paul win the nomination. I also did a lot around here to do what I could to help RP win Florida. The way I see it, RP isn't going to win the GOP nomination and Im allowed to say that now that I have spent a great deal of time helping him out. Im not going to be motivated by the possibility of a brokered convention to donate any more money. As a college student I am short on cash and the only way I am going to put more money into this is if he runs outside of the GOP. Its not me being a bad supporter, I have given this my all. Its just isn't logical to give away money if he has no possibility of winning or doing better

 

[RoyalShock]

How anyone who is trying to forge a path into the future for the movement can be called a troll is beyond me.

Rage's proposal is certainly worth discussion and isn't any less valid than anyone else's thoughts about the future.

That said, I'm not in favor of a 3rd party or independent run. Here's why:

- 3rd parties have too many negative stereotypes to overcome. There is a reason they are considered "fringe" and why their memberships aren't increasing much. Switching parties after losing a nomination will look like a "sour grapes" move and in my opinion, damage the message and movement.

- Even running as independent, the uphill battle to get on ballots, fight the media for time and a slot in the debates will continue to marginalize the candidate and the message.

- Dr. Paul would be better served to turn his attention back to retaining his House seat and continue the fight from within.

I liken this movement - the R[evol]ution - to a war that may take decades to fight and victory is defined by taking back the GOP. We've just lost a major battle and suffered many casualties. I don't want to lose this war because we go on fighting when we should be retreating. Note that I didn't say surrender, but retreat. We lay low, recruit new soldiers, refine our strategy for victory. We use the democratic process to change the landscape (support and elect "Ron Paul Republicans", get involved in the local party) and begin building up for the next major battle, hoping that the GOP will be more susceptible to our primary weapon - the message of freedom, liberty and the Constitution.

So that's my feelings on the matter. But if RP decides to run 3rd party, I'll still be right there supporting him.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Im 20 years old and I have donated $100 to the campaign. I donated because I was motivated to see Ron Paul win the nomination. I also did a lot around here to do what I could to help RP win Florida. The way I see it, RP isn't going to win the GOP nomination and Im allowed to say that now that I have spent a great deal of time helping him out. Im not going to be motivated by the possibility of a brokered convention to donate any more money. As a college student I am short on cash and the only way I am going to put more money into this is if he runs outside of the GOP. Its not me being a bad supporter, I have given this my all. Its just isn't logical to give away money if he has no possibility of winning or doing better

You've found the message. That's the key, to me.

 

[realist]

Rage,

I too agree with your thoughts. I agree in the sense that this is likely his best course to even have a shot in the general... otherwise, he'll be out before then.

Here's where I think your thoughts make sense.

Announcing 3rd party will be news and it will get reported- but it won't be good becuase he has repeatedly denied the intent to do so. Still, some believe all news is good news in a sense.

It will provide a new pocket of hope for some supporters. This new spring of hope will do more for this campaign than todays realities.

If Clinton and McCain are the nominee's, having a third choice on the general ballot could be a wildcard and the outcome would be very unpredictable. McCain has his problems with real republicans and Hillary has her problems with many Dems- so in this case, a different choice could make serious difference.

My problems with this is only one - Ron Paul. If he proceeds in the same manner as he has run until now, it's a waste of time. It hasn't worked, and won't work unless there is a drastic change in the delivery of the message, and the messengers desire to fight for this.