California May Reduce Carbon Emissions By Banning Black Cars

[Brian4Liberty]

If both cars are using standard air conditioning to maintain the same interior termperature, then I already proved that. Basic thermodynamics.

You haven't proven that the color effects the internal temp of the car. And you haven't proven that if there is a slight temp difference, that it would measurably effect the amount of air conditioning required, let alone gas usage.

There is no proof that this lame-brain theory would have even a measurable effect on gas mileage, let alone enough of a benefit to outweigh the costs. And it's especially ridiculous to even discuss this "theory" while ignoring the many other more important factors.

And yes, I do understand thermodynamics. Physics hasn't changed since I received my degree...

 

[Zippyjuan]

Banning cars of all colors would help with greenhouse gasses the most.
Perhaps it is white cars which contribute more to heat polution. They are after all reflecting more light into the area around them- increasing the effect of solar rays. As for black cars, they might be able to get better gas mileage than white cars. How? The radiating waves of heat coming off the top of them may help them move through the air with less resistance.

 

[pcosmar]

I am personally going to eat more beans in an effort to increase methane production.

 

[decatren]

I am throwing away my Commando and Pumping Iron DVDs

 

[danberkeley]

are they gonna ban dark-skinned people too?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

are they gonna ban dark-skinned people too?

Pale-faces. Too much skin cancer and increased medical costs...

 

[BlackTerrel]

What do you mean there is no science behind it? Yes, there is. Black completely absorbs light in the visible spectrum..

Racist!

 

[Truth Warrior]

Well that's pretty Un-PC and "carcist". < IMHO > The "mob" will be just thrilled.

 

[vegaspilot03]

lol, this whole thing is nonsense, we are not in a energy crisis. there is electricity all around us, just grab a copper pole and stick it 10 ft into the air, leave it there for 1 hr and then go touch it... you might be a little... shocked? hahahahahaha

as far as "Global Warming", well then if the cars are electric, and there is plenty of electricity to go around, we don't have to worry about burning fuel that contaminates the air and then **maybe** the Earth will breath better, i know i certainly would not miss the smoky skies over large cities (or maybe if we stopped cutting trees down, haven't they got a better way to produce paper than to cut trees down? i know we can use cement for houses, and bricks, homes would even last longer! imagine that)

anyway, black cars, as ZippyJuan said, would actually help if we weren't slaves to the Oil Kings.

www.hutchisoneffect.ca

 

[Reason]

CARB is also responsible for eliminating the first electric cars in CA

 

[Zuras]

You haven't proven that the color effects the internal temp of the car. And you haven't proven that if there is a slight temp difference, that it would measurably effect the amount of air conditioning required, let alone gas usage.

Yes, I have. You have two cars that are the same with only one being painted black, and the the black car will take more enrgy to keep at the same temperature. Not sure what you mean by measurably, or, rather, not sure you know what you mean by measurably. Maybe you are thinking of significantly. and that's debatable. What would you consider a significant amount of cream in your coffee? How about cyanide in your coffee?

There is no proof that this lame-brain theory would have even a measurable effect on gas mileage, let alone enough of a benefit to outweigh the costs. And it's especially ridiculous to even discuss this "theory" while ignoring the many other more important factors.

What costs? And of course there are plenty of other, better ways to reduce gas consumption. However, commiefornia may not have found a way to sneak it past the judicial branch yet. Baby steps.

And yes, I do understand thermodynamics. Physics hasn't changed since I received my degree...

Doesn't sound like it. Black absorbs more energy and throws off more heat because of it. That heat will raise the temperature of anything nearby by radiation/convection/conduction.

 

[Ninja Homer]

You have two cars that are the same with only one being painted black, and the the black car will take more enrgy to keep at the same temperature.

Come to Minnesota and say that, and people will assume you're retarded. It gets cold here, and despite popular belief, California can get pretty cold in the winter as well, and then a black car would have the opposite effect. Maybe black cars should be banned in the summer, and white cars banned in the winter?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Come to Minnesota and say that, and people will assume you're retarded. It gets cold here, and despite popular belief, California can get pretty cold in the winter as well, and then a black car would have the opposite effect. Maybe black cars should be banned in the summer, and white cars banned in the winter?

That could have a positive effect on rush hour bumper to bumper traffic gridlock too. I wonder how much gasoline is just WASTED on that crap daily. It boggles the mind.<IMHO>

 

[Zuras]

Come to Minnesota and say that, and people will assume you're retarded. It gets cold here, and despite popular belief, California can get pretty cold in the winter as well, and then a black car would have the opposite effect. Maybe black cars should be banned in the summer, and white cars banned in the winter?

I'm dieing of laughter here. You say you are from minnesota and that california "can get pretty cold in the winter" as well. Hah. My step dad lived in califonia almost his entire young adult life. In 30 some years he never saw it snow once. That's all neither here nor there anyway. I would hope minnesotans wouldn't be so "retarded" as to comment when they apparently don't understand the context of what is being discussed.

 

[acptulsa]

When the transverse engine first became common here, some company (Renault, iirc--it was about that long ago) had a fan that didn't operate through the ignition switch. This led to people wondering if the car was still running, and gave rise to some comment. Well, during that blizzard of comment the rather ignorant engineers of this carmaker learned something they hadn't thought of--cooling a car completely while you're in the store just means it has to warm back up when you leave--and the least efficient and dirtiest minutes of a gas or diesel engine's life are those minutes it takes to warm up to optimum temperature.

Argues strongly in favor of black hoods, doesn't it? But don't try it in Arizona...

CARB is also responsible for eliminating the first electric cars in CA

Get real. They banned these?

Everyone wants the electric car issue to be as simple as that goofy piece of propaganda, Who Killed the Electric Car, tried to make it out to be. Please do some research and don't make me turn this post into a wall of text.

 

[pcosmar]

I'm dieing of laughter here. You say you are from minnesota and that california "can get pretty cold in the winter" as well. Hah. My step dad lived in califonia almost his entire young adult life. In 30 some years he never saw it snow once. That's all neither here nor there anyway. I would hope minnesotans wouldn't be so "retarded" as to comment when they apparently don't understand the context of what is being discussed.

Blather
Insult away, you only prove your ignorance.
http://media.www.dailyillini.com/me...trands.Vehicles.Forces.Closures-3168447.shtml
http://www.onthesnow.com/california/profile.html?overview=1#
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-113004cold_lat,0,3392828.story?coll=la-home-local

The overnight temperature in Palmdale dipped to 19 degrees, breaking the record of 25 set in 1954, Bruce Rockwell, a meteorologist in Oxnard, said this morning.

Granted, not as cold as it gets here, but cold enough to affect vehicle operating temps.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

You haven't seen anything yet.

These 'carists', will be prosecuted under equal colour opportunity laws or something like that. Of course that will be a federal legislation costing trillions to implement by the then devalued currency.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm dieing of laughter here. You say you are from minnesota and that california "can get pretty cold in the winter" as well. Hah. My step dad lived in califonia almost his entire young adult life. In 30 some years he never saw it snow once. That's all neither here nor there anyway. I would hope minnesotans wouldn't be so "retarded" as to comment when they apparently don't understand the context of what is being discussed.

Zuras, California extends from the Oregon border to the Mexican border, and from the top of Mt. Shasta (which may not even be the highest point in the state) to sea level (let's see you deny that). In the Sierra Nevadas, it can not only get pretty cold in the winters it can bury you in snow drifts many times your height.

Damn.

 

[Zuras]

Blather
Insult away, you only prove your ignorance.
http://media.www.dailyillini.com/me...trands.Vehicles.Forces.Closures-3168447.shtml
http://www.onthesnow.com/california/profile.html?overview=1#
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-113004cold_lat,0,3392828.story?coll=la-home-local

Granted, not as cold as it gets here, but cold enough to affect vehicle operating temps.

There is an important word there: overnight. You know, like where you stick your head when you aren't posting, there is no sunlight.


And gosh, so their lowest OVERNIGHT temperature in 50 years is about the average mid-day temp for the same time of year in minnesota. Gee, you really proved me wrong on that one.

 

[ItsTime]

Didnt mythbusters prove that air conditioners SAVE fuel over having your windows down? So it is clear that Cali must ban all cars that do not have AC and make it so that all car windows can not go down.