California: Judge orders homeschoolers into government education

[Tdcci]

So you wouldn't gas them?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1322216&postcount=198

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have a problem with this. Who is "qualified"? What makes them "qualified"? Is it a college education? I know alot of dumb people with those. The words are to vague and limits it to whoever hold the power to make the interpretation. Very tricky and definately lacks in freedom.

+1

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

No, they can't. Rocks hurt. Words merely offend.

Not entirely true... words can hurt. People should be careful what they say.

 

[angelatc]

offend is a synonym for hurt

Not in that poem it isn't.

 

[danberkeley]

No one is saying you cannot home school your children. So this idea of "rights of homeschoolers" is flawed.

I was laughing at all your posts until now. Parents can't homeschool their children by default. The only way parents can homeschool their children, according to law and the Supreme Court, is by getting permission from the state.

First off, where do you find this "constitutional right".

Where do you find the constitutional right to use the Internet? lol

Secondly, California never said you couldn't homeschool, just if you did it had to be with a qualified person.

lol. how do I do it by having some ELSE do it? lol

Thirdly, if you truely believe in states rights, then no you should not be pushing a new law at the federal level on education, the government has no business in it and new laws only add to the problem.

WHICH law are you refering to?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Christianity would be treated as any other mental illness would, in a mental hospital, so once they get out they can be productive members of society.

You have frickin' got to be kidding me? Why in hell are you for Ron Paul? Or are you? This is the most totalitarian bunch of horseshit that I think I have ever read on this board. Who in hell do you think you are to dictate to others their faith? From what you have written, you surely do not believe in our Founding Fathers and the Republic that they left us. Freedom of religion was a very important aspect of the founding of our country.

You are sounding very much like a Marxist. Are you?

 

[angelatc]

Not entirely true... words can hurt. People should be careful what they say.

Only if they are out to win friends. Hate speech shouldn't be a crime. Offfending somebody is not the same as punching them.

If your feelings are hurt by things people are saying, then your convictions aren't really very strong.

 

[angelatc]

You have frickin' got to be kidding me? Why in hell are you for Ron Paul? Or are you? This is the most totalitarian bunch of horseshit that I think I have ever read on this board. Who in hell do you think you are to dictate to others their faith? From what you have written, you surely do not believe in our Founding Fathers and the Republic that they left us. Freedom of religion was a very important aspect of the founding of our country.

You are sounding very much like a Marxist. Are you?

You didn't see the post about hoping all the Christians would be gassed?

 

[jmdrake]

They're already trying; you can see that they're not succeeding by the state of the Federal Marriage Amendment.

A) The federal marriage amendment wouldn't "ban" your viewpoint. Even if it passed you will still have the right to rail against Christians all you want.

B) The reason the federal marriage amendment isn't passing is that most Christians aren't supporting it.

You put "Christian America" against "Atheist Soviet Union". What else could you possibly mean?

The majority of people in America are Christian. (duh!) But the country isn't "Christian" as a matter of law. The Soviet Union was atheist as a matter of law.

No, it wasn't. There is a difference between banning religion and banning organized religion. The Marxist-Leninist philosophy is that the church hierarchy was dangerous to the working class, and served to stupify the people. I happen to agree. However, in practice, most Russians were Orthodox Catholic, and the Soviets infiltrated and controlled the official Russian Orthodox Church.

You agree with communists? Why am I not surprised?

Anyway, you don't know what you're talking about. Atheism was a matter of state policy in the soviet union.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

Sure they "allowed" certain sects to exist, but Islamic theocracies do so as well.

Also it's funny that you have just contradicted yourself. On the one hand you claim "organized religion" was the only thing that was the problem, but then you cite to highly hierarchical churches for your example.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[LibertyEagle]

Public schooling is not big government, it is local government.

Wrong. It used to be, yes, but it's not been locally run for a long, long time. Mandates for programs such as Outcomes-Based Education, School-to-Work, No Child Left Behind, Education 2000, all are handed down from the Department of Education to our schools. They enforce their dictates through money. Our money is extracted and sent to the Fed and if we want any of it back, we have to follow their dictates.

This is very communistic.

 

[danberkeley]

Do we want a generation of honest, hardworking citizens or a generation of suicide bombers?

Yes to the first part. As far as the second part is concerned, most, if not all, of the "Columbines" have occured at public schools.

 

[Tdcci]

You have frickin' got to be kidding me? Why in hell are you for Ron Paul? Or are you? This is the most totalitarian bunch of horseshit that I think I have ever read on this board.

I'm for Ron Paul because of his policies that do not have to do with religion.

Who in hell do you think you are to dictate to others their faith?

I'm in no position now, but I was asked how I would end this problem if I had the power, so those are my ideas.

From what you have written, you surely do not believe in our Founding Fathers and the Republic that they left us.

I do!

Freedom of religion was a very important aspect of the founding of our country.

Freedom of religion is good if you mean freedom from being forced to belong the state religion but freedom to practice your own religion is something I disagree with.

You are sounding very much like a Marxist. Are you?

It is so sad that political idealogies that have a rational position on religion are so few and far between, that whenever I reveal myself to be an atheist I am accused of being a communist

 

[LibertyEagle]

You didn't see the post about hoping all the Christians would be gassed?

No. Where is it?

 

[Tdcci]

Yes to the first part. As far as the second part is concerned, most, if not all, of the "Columbines" have occured at public schools.

It's more effective when people are grouped together. The london train bombings happened at a place of public transport, not on a road because it's more effective. Does that mean public transport is a bad thing? No!

 

[angelatc]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1322216&postcount=198

Oh I see. You'd only hope that somebody else would.

 

[danberkeley]

It's not complex at all. Same-sex couples are not lobbying for the church to recognize them, they are lobbying the state to recognize them.

If the church is so full of hate, like you say, why do gays want to be recognized by the church?

 

[angelatc]

No. Where is it?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1322145&postcount=176

 

[Tdcci]

Anyway, you don't know what you're talking about. Atheism was a matter of state policy in the soviet union.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

State Atheism is just a nicer way of implementing seperation of church and state. From the link, "State atheism is the official rejection of religion in all forms by a government in favor of atheism." The state is atheist, which is a good thing, otherwise you get disasters like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Freedom of religion is good if you mean freedom from being forced to belong the state religion but freedom to practice your own religion is something I disagree with.

It is so sad that political idealogies that have a rational position on religion are so few and far between, that whenever I reveal myself to be an atheist I am accused of being a communist

Perhaps because you seem very comfortable in using big government force to impose dictates on the people.

You say you agree with the form of government our founders left us. If you really did, you would understand that the power was to remain in the hands of the people. NOT the government.

You have your head screwed on backwards. I highly recommend you go to www.mises.org and www.fee.org and start reading.

 

[danberkeley]

That's not what I was saying, but yes. Christians have a barbaric belief system that mentally impairs them. Gays are victims of their genes. I don't advocate any soft of hatred, but if you're going to hate someone, you shouldn't hate them for who they are but what they believe and what they say.

Hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyypocrisy!!!!