California Declares War On Family Homes to ‘Save the Planet’

[PaulConventionWV]

To get back on topic,
It is estimated that 43% of all green house gasses are the result of building construction ... Those who will tell you that the tailpipe of your SUV is the major cause are lying to you, and YES there is a movement that wants to consolidate everyone in compact self-sustaining units where one can live and work without the need for excessive transportation.

To simplify this,
We either become educated and control the situation that is in actuality the control of limited resources, or our own government will take control and force such things upon society.

The choice is ours, and I don't really care where the information comes from that wakes people up !!!

Resisting the idea sounds like a grand thing to do, but becoming educated to why this idea is on the table, will go a long way toward ensuring the future.
Designs that can be reused, rather than discarded become the proper approach for the future ... But the current mentality is to maximize profit in the first year via the sale of a property that will be bulldozed under within one generation.

The mentality needs to change !!!
The idea is not going to go away, but the approach to the solution can be controlled ... Time to make a choice.

And FWIW,
I am no tree hugger, but have looked at this, in depth ... Research "Sustainable Design" ... It is the future of the entire planet ... The only other choice is to eradicate many people, so our limited resources can last longer.

That's exactly what they would have you believe. We don't need to eradicate anyone in order to "sustain" this planet. The only thing unsustainable here is the big government paradigm that you seem so thoroughly enthralled with.

Your solution? Conform before you are forced to!

Some solution... either way, you end up suffering the same fate of government control. It's not like it really makes a difference whether you give up your rights by force or willfully for fear of force. It's exactly the same thing. You're asking us to give up our rights before they are taken away. I choose to fight for them, no matter how grand and unrealistic that may be. You have exposed yourself as a tool with that post.

Reduce, reuse, recycle is a great idea when done voluntarily. If we accept the government forcing sustainability on us, we have lost the battle. It doesn't much matter what happens after that. The planet is not doomed. That is just propaganda.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I don't care about AJ one way or another. I think that he is a sensationalist, but that's his style - I respect that. I just think that it's pretty stupid to post every article that they produce. He has his own site, and a lot of us read it. Even more of us agree with at least 50% of what he posts. (The people that get immediately turned off by him are already long gone. )

But this isn't the Alex Jones forums, and I think it's stupid to start a new thread every time an AJ writer publishes. He has his own site for that.

I am one of the few here that can stand to ingest information from sources that you guys would detest. Maybe I'll start posting Michelle Malkin's stuff here. After all, she's only about 20% crazy too.

People will post his material if they find it interesting, informative, or otherwise stimulating. What's more, it's their privilege to. Live and let live.

 

[Petar]

Oh, you know, produced a new human being...moved far away from the ole homeland, did some stuff and then did some other stuff.

How's the forest treating you?

I actually had a mild accident a few minutes after initially saying hello to you.

I was burning some garbage out back, and then something exploded and sent some hot plastic flying.

A piece of burning plastic landed on my left eyelid.

There was some blistering last night, but that is gone already.

 

[Kluge]

Purple monkey dishwasher.

That's only when you're going the wrong way on a 1-way sidewalk.

 

[Kluge]

I actually had a mild accident a few minutes after initially saying hello to you.

I was burning some garbage out back, and then something exploded and sent some hot plastic flying.

A piece of burning plastic landed on my left eyelid.

There was some blistering last night, but that is gone already.

Glad to hear that the alignment is fixed and the television is set.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Keep up the good work posting the Infowars and Prisonplanet stuff, JFKIII! It gets people talking about the key issues, and that's good for this forum. It also separates the men from the boys so to speak within the liberty movement. People start showing their true colors.

 

[Kluge]

I don't care about AJ one way or another. I think that he is a sensationalist, but that's his style - I respect that. I just think that it's pretty stupid to post every article that they produce. He has his own site, and a lot of us read it. Even more of us agree with at least 50% of what he posts. (The people that get immediately turned off by him are already long gone. )

But this isn't the Alex Jones forums, and I think it's stupid to start a new thread every time an AJ writer publishes. He has his own site for that.

I am one of the few here that can stand to ingest information from sources that you guys would detest. Maybe I'll start posting Michelle Malkin's stuff here. After all, she's only about 20% crazy too.

If you posted Malkin regularly, people would freak the F out. I admit, I'd skip most of the articles because I find her stance on torture/detention/etc pretty abhorrent, but she makes some good points. I'd like to slap her or waterboard her, I think. AJ mostly seems comical to me, and I can't stand people yelling all the damn time, so I avoid 99% of his videos, and about 85% of his articles. I avoid the articles because I end up wanting to verify every single line because it seems so outrageous, and sometimes I'm obsessive enough to do so. I found that he's about 75% straightforward, and 25% showmanship/sensationalism when I've thoroughly checked. Much better than the mainstream media, for what that's worth.

It would get annoying if someone continually posted Malkin, Limbaugh or Beck (we had that for a while.) I've learned to mostly ignore the AJ stuff unless it's a really, really interesting headline.

But to all you "haters" out there who cried about my defense of a "vet," quit your whining and put in the time and effort. Angela is a proven supporter in my eyes, I know where she stands and even if I don't agree with her 100%, I trust her. The rest of you? Not so much--not yet anyways. It's not blindly supporting someone who's simply had over 4 years of membership on a forum or some sort of weird "superiority"--a lot of us bonded through shared experiences, ups and downs, and saw actual results from efforts they've made. Don't care if it hurts your feelings that you're not part of that "club," you really can't be so far as I can tell.

Anyways--enough of crankiness. There's been too much of it here lately.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Brian this made me laugh because I do not have a drivers license and never have. I hate it. DETEST it. I feel like my chest is going to explode if someone even mentions taking me out for driving lessons. Im almost 39. It's a phobia I guess. People are afraid of tiny little wee spiders yet laugh at my fear of driving a ton of metal at high speeds amongst other zooming pieces of metal.... but taking public transportation all these years is actually making me WANT to get over my fear and get my stupid license finally. I hate it. More and more people are cramming on it in my small city, and my kids have been witness to all sorts of fun events on them (including me having to report a man for trying to touch my son's HAIR when he thought I wasnt looking), and it's just getting more and more difficult for me to tolerate the number of people, crappy service, long times waiting for buses in the cold/storms.... so while they are trying to make more people want to take the bus, many who have been long-time users are hating it more and wanting to STOP using it. Ironic isnt it?

I hear ya!

If you drive, it's a cross between a destruction derby and a parking lot. And many of those who push for "public transportation" have probably never used it more than a couple of times. One ride on a train or bus is fun. Using it daily and depending upon it is a wholly different experience.

 

[kezt777]

I hear ya!

If you drive, it's a cross between a destruction derby and a parking lot. And many of those who push for "public transportation" have probably never used it more than a couple of times. One ride on a train or bus is fun. Using it daily and depending upon it is a wholly different experience.

Reading all of the info last night on public transit and reducing urban sprawl made my head spin. Calgary recently hit 1 million people. It's not that big when you consider the monstrous amount of people in other cities in other countries, but it is the biggest in my province by far. The transit system is a nightmare. At rush hour there are commuter trains every FIVE minutes but they are still packed to the gills. I don't know how they could possibly make it better and make more room for all of these people in the 'burbs that they want to get out of their cars and onto the trains. I don't get it. You could have longer trains I guess, but that's about it. And that costs a pretty penny to all the tax payers there whether they use it or not. My brother used to live right downtown for about 10 years and whenever I visited, it was a treat in the morning and at supper time to go out on the deck and watch the trains. they were PACKED like 'smell my armpit' packed, for 2-3 hours each 'rush hour'. Insanity. I remember something recently from a radio program where the host asked if they ever see anyone smiling when they go by on the bus and I laughed so hard... I used to stare at the people on the trains in Calgary and they all looked like they were going to their deaths, or like the scene on Speed where they record the loop of video tape and everyone is staring straight ahead with blank expressions. When the radio host talked about it, I thought of the calgary trains and my buses in my city and burst out laughing. you dont often see people smiling so happy to be on the bus - and the laughter is only from women or teens on in groups who are talking to each other. Everyone else is just staring aimlessly into space.

Last summer I took my kids there for a few days before my oldest flew to the UK and we inadvertently got on the train at rushhour after a nice trip to the zoo. OMG. I had to push my way to a spot by the back door so that other peoples' asses weren't in my little son's face. People were very rude to me and pushed me up against a wall and the stroller tipped over! I could not believe it. they actually glared at me like I was taking up too much room with this skinny umbrella stroller - um sorry but if my kid was bigger and not in a stroller, he would be standing in that same spot so what's the difference? My daughter (8 at the time) got separated from us and pushed to the opposite exit doors so I had to grab her and yank her back through the crowd in order to get all 4 of us safely off the train. It was unreal. I cannot imagine having to travel like that every single day just to appease the enviro police and save a few carbon emissions. And on top of that, I wouldnt be able to afford to live downtown and walk to work because the prices are ENORMOUS for rents. As in any city, trying to find a good spot near work downtown is next to impossible. My brother barely made it with a one bedroom hole lol. But ya - let's all cram together and go back to the way cities used to be eh? Throwing our chamber pots out the windows into back alleys and people randomly dying left and right of various plagues. Fun! Let's share

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Keep up the good work posting the Infowars and Prisonplanet stuff, JFKIII! It gets people talking about the key issues, and that's good for this forum. It also separates the men from the boys so to speak within the liberty movement. People start showing their true colors.

Will do! I'll never stop posting InfoWars articles...unless I switch to posting PrisonPlanet articles

 

[Noob]

How long until California enacts a One-Child policy? Cramming people together like that well make people believe in the over population propaganda. Maybe they are all ready doing what they are doing in Uzbekistan, since Doctors are now pressuring women to have C-sections instead of normal birth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17612550

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

people hate AJ because of inconvenient truths like Fluoride doing nothing to make us healthier.

 

[azxd]

I don't care about AJ one way or another. I think that he is a sensationalist, but that's his style - I respect that. I just think that it's pretty stupid to post every article that they produce. He has his own site, and a lot of us read it. Even more of us agree with at least 50% of what he posts. (The people that get immediately turned off by him are already long gone. )

But this isn't the Alex Jones forums, and I think it's stupid to start a new thread every time an AJ writer publishes. He has his own site for that.

I am one of the few here that can stand to ingest information from sources that you guys would detest. Maybe I'll start posting Michelle Malkin's stuff here. After all, she's only about 20% crazy too.

She has one of the sharpest pencils I have ever read.

 

[azxd]

That's exactly what they would have you believe. We don't need to eradicate anyone in order to "sustain" this planet. The only thing unsustainable here is the big government paradigm that you seem so thoroughly enthralled with.

Your solution? Conform before you are forced to!

Some solution... either way, you end up suffering the same fate of government control. It's not like it really makes a difference whether you give up your rights by force or willfully for fear of force. It's exactly the same thing. You're asking us to give up our rights before they are taken away. I choose to fight for them, no matter how grand and unrealistic that may be. You have exposed yourself as a tool with that post.

Reduce, reuse, recycle is a great idea when done voluntarily. If we accept the government forcing sustainability on us, we have lost the battle. It doesn't much matter what happens after that. The planet is not doomed. That is just propaganda.

Way wrong on many fronts.

Limited resources across the planet are forcing people to look at things differently.
The U.S. currently uses 25% of the Worlds energy, yet it's population is just under 5% ... And developing countries are using our industrial age model as they develop and grow.
If they follow our path, the Worlds natural resources will quickly become unsustainable.

And to clarify this, that 25% includes construction and manufacturing ... Think hard about this before you develop a denial of real World numbers and statistics.

And t your interpretation of my solution being on of conformity is also wrong ... We as people need to take control of things, before the government forces compliance.
We need to learn and incorporate technology, and methods that reduce energy and natural resource levels, and most importantly, we need to share our knowledge with the entire planet, while also showing that we are changing our methods.
If not, the rest of the World will rightly tell us to get stuffed, and continue to follow the model we created ... A model of expansion and consumption with no thought for the future.

Does it make sense to erect a structure, and destroy it within one generation ?
That is how we operate.
That is our reality.
Obviously there are exceptions, but most structures are lucky to survive 1 generation, and they are often destroyed and sent to a landfill in the name of progress.
It is only in recent times that the idea of recycling materials has become a more standardized practice, yet it is not a common practice, as of now.

However,
Your closing shows that there is hope, and that you appear to be looking at this reasonably ... Thus, if you want to take another look, you might find that I said something about taking control, before the government does, and that is the voluntary aspect of which you speak.

Can you explain how if one makes voluntary choices, it somehow becomes a removal of rights.

Is the planet doomed ?
Heck No !!!

IMO,
The planet is just smart enough to kill off every human being ... We might all die due to poor choices, but the planet will still exist

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Way wrong on many fronts.

Limited resources across the planet are forcing people to look at things differently.
The U.S. currently uses 25% of the Worlds energy, yet it's population is just under 5% ... And developing countries are using our industrial age model as they develop and grow.
If they follow our path, the Worlds natural resources will quickly become unsustainable.

We use 25% of the energy USED in the world, not the world's energy. There's no way you can measure how much of the world's total energy we use. What's more, the percentage means nothing. If we use 25% , then only 3 other countries can use 25%, leaving zero energy for other countries. The percentages will vary based on who is leading at the moment. Someone has to, and the fact that it's us suggests absolutely nothing about how "sustainable" our lifestyle is.

And to clarify this, that 25% includes construction and manufacturing ... Think hard about this before you develop a denial of real World numbers and statistics.

I'm not denying them. Your post was just a complete non sequitur.

And t your interpretation of my solution being on of conformity is also wrong ... We as people need to take control of things, before the government forces compliance.
We need to learn and incorporate technology, and methods that reduce energy and natural resource levels, and most importantly, we need to share our knowledge with the entire planet, while also showing that we are changing our methods.
If not, the rest of the World will rightly tell us to get stuffed, and continue to follow the model we created ... A model of expansion and consumption with no thought for the future.

Okay, so I was wrong about you thinking we should conform before we are forced. But wait, the solutions you are suggesting are the same that I hear propagandized every day in the media in order to enforce this big government paradigm. What's the use of "taking control" if we are simply going to do what the government was going to make us do anyway? It will not prevent legislation because the agenda is still there. The "solutions" are built into the agenda. They are not promoting this "unsustainable earth" crap because it's the right solution. They are doing it because it serves their purposes and agenda. That's the only reason this climate mania has been going viral.

I am not against conserving energy, but this "unsustainable" garbage is just hype and propaganda, nothing more. It's hysteria. We don't need hysteria in order to make the right changes. It's not that urgent.

Does it make sense to erect a structure, and destroy it within one generation ?
That is how we operate.
That is our reality.
Obviously there are exceptions, but most structures are lucky to survive 1 generation, and they are often destroyed and sent to a landfill in the name of progress.
It is only in recent times that the idea of recycling materials has become a more standardized practice, yet it is not a common practice, as of now.

Fine. Be an entrepreneur. Create new things that last longer and promote the reduce, reuse, recycle paradigm. I'm all for it. What we don't need is the hysteria over how unsustainable our sinful lives are to the environment.

However,
Your closing shows that there is hope, and that you appear to be looking at this reasonably ... Thus, if you want to take another look, you might find that I said something about taking control, before the government does, and that is the voluntary aspect of which you speak.

Absolutely. Please don't pretend that we are doomed if we don't all change at once, though. People are free not to comply, and they should also be free from the radical idea that there will be widespread disaster and destruction if there isn't some massive uprooting of the environmental paradigm. I don't see any problem with landfills. They have existed for quite some time, and eventually, everything finds a way to get recycled and everything goes 'round again. I don't see the problem with destroying structures because they are out-of-date, either. They also usually get recycled whether or not it's a part of some recycling program.

Can you explain how if one makes voluntary choices, it somehow becomes a removal of rights.

That's not what I said. I was saying that promoting government solutions doesn't help us prevent the removal of rights, and it only helps the government's agenda. Promoting paranoia and propaganda only serve to further the government's purposes for what they are trying to achieve.

Is the planet doomed ?
Heck No !!!

IMO,
The planet is just smart enough to kill off every human being ... We might all die due to poor choices, but the planet will still exist

That's exactly the type of hysteria that I am talking about. You are promoting this hysteria. Hysteria is NEVER a free market solution. It's always a part of someone's coercive propaganda machine. We are not a disease to the planet and we don't need to worship her and peddle to her needs. The planet is here for US, not the other way around. We might abuse our immediate environment, but that does nothing to alter the planet as a whole, or trigger some reaction that causes the planet to unleash her wrath upon the mundanes who dare to disrespect her. The planet can take care of it, and it will take care of it in a way that is conducive to human activity, not inhibitive of it. If there is a nuclear holocaust, that will be our fault, and guess what, the planet will still recover. There's never going to be a "Day After Tomorrow" scenario in which the planet deliberately kills us off as if it has a mind of its own. That's all part of the propaganda that poses humans as subservient to the great mother nature. It's another way of saying "Look who holds your fate in their hands! We must appease mother nature, so gather around and do everything we tell you to, and you will be alright."

The point of this ridiculously overdrawn post is that you are against government control, and yet you promote the same things the government is drilling into our heads every day in order to make the political environment conducive to, you guessed it, government control. That's what "unsustainability" is all about. It's about promoting the solution that the government likes because it helps them further their agenda.

 

[azxd]

It's only hysteria if you say so, Paul ... The label is yours to afix to anything you want.
But that doesn't make the label a correct label for everyone.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It's only hysteria if you say so, Paul ... The label is yours to afix to anything you want.
But that doesn't make the label a correct label for everyone.

Call it what you want, then, but it's promoted by the government and propagated in the media. It's also used to justify more government control. I suppose that doesn't mean anything to you, though.

 

[kezt777]

I heard about this on the Mike Church show this morning so grabbed the link from his 'Pile o' Prep'. Not necessarily about lumping everyone together, but an example of central planning involving sustainability yadda yadda in our towns and cities now. Joplin rebuilds faster than Tuscaloosa online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577309220933715082.html

oh crud that is subscriber content so here is another link with full text yellowhammerpolitics.com/blog/wall-st-journal-calls-out-tuscaloosa-mayor-for-big-govt-tornado-recovery-plan/

an excerpt: "The Alabama city’s recovery plan, “Tuscaloosa Forward,” is indeed state-of-the-art urban planning—and that’s the crux of the problem. It sets out to “courageously create a showpiece” of “unique neighborhoods that are healthy, safe, accessible, connected, and sustainable,” all anchored by “village centers” for shopping (in a local economy that struggles to sustain current shopping centers). Another goal is to “preserve neighborhood character” from a “disproportionate ratio of renters to owners.” The plan never mentions protecting property rights."

"In Joplin, the official plan not only makes property rights a priority but clocks in at only 21 pages, compared with Tuscaloosa’s 128. Joplin’s plan also relied heavily on input from businesses (including through a Citizen’s Advisory Recovery Team) instead of Tuscaloosa’s reliance on outside consulting firms. “We need to say to our businesses, community, and to our citizens, ‘If you guys want to rebuild your houses, we’ll do everything we can to make it happen,’” said Joplin City Council member William Scearce in an interview."

 

[Danke]

It's only hysteria if you say so, Paul ... The label is yours to afix to anything you want.
But that doesn't make the label a correct label for everyone.

Some live in fear, some do not.