California Declares War On Family Homes to ‘Save the Planet’

[Czolgosz]

Purple monkey dishwasher.

*grabs bugout gear

 

[kezt777]

I know of alex jones, have seen vids with him, read pieces by him, etc. I take some with a grain of salt, and try to pick out the main parts that I can check on myself - just like with pretty much anyone who posts anything lol. I believe bias is mixed in with everything - it's pretty hard for a person to claim they are non-biased and I don't believe that. I dont mean that in a bad way, but everyone has their own experiences in life that they bring to their opinions whether they realize it or not. AJ sensationalizes things like most people do, but he leaves trails that one can follow. I read the main piece for the original post in the Wall Street Journal and then ran a search on certain parts like the title of the Bill and then went from there on my own. What I found rolled my eyes back in my head. I even found an enviro award on that canadian FCM site that praised the city of Calgary for it's amount of green areas and protected areas but my brother lives there and has sent me news articles detailing how enviro groups are now complaining about the sprawl. Calgary has become ENORMOUS, it really has, but where the heck are all those people supposed to live? there are endless articles now about the number of housing complexes (DETACHED of course) out there around Calgary and how they are using up so much land. Ive seen it myself every year and it really is shocking how much the landscape has changed - but it has in my city as well. They want to attract people with jobs and income, but then complain when they all move in. It's mental. My brother sent me an article about a year ago showing how there is a movement in Calgary to build apartment complexes instead of these huge detached and semi-detached housing estates. Meanwhile they get green awards for the parks that each new housing complex puts in. You can't win. Move here! Work here! But dont you DARE try to own an actual home. Whatever! And to think these things are being mandated in smaller cities now --- a blueprint, pilot project, trial run for what they plan to do in bigger cities.

*I am editing this to add that at the same time groups are working to try to get people who work in the downtown core to actually live closer (reducing GHG emissions), the parking fees in Calgary are the second highest in NORTH AMERICA, according to Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper. theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/calgarys-parking-spots-the-priciest/article1195092/ . I know that my boss's daughter moved out to the 'burbs a few years ago and talked about how parking fees are over $700 a month with her business so she found a cheaper spot at $350 a month. woo. cheap! Anyway they force people to live closer to work, but then also charge higher parking prices to make it so people take alternative transportation instead (bus, train, walking, etc - keeping in mind it is frigid cold for 6 months of the year in a bad winter, 4 months of the year in a good winter with temps at -30, 2-4 feet of snow, etc - ya let's ride our bikes and walk! fun!) and then they also keep raising the prices of that as well. Calgary is in the middle of huge expansions of it's commuter train service but it is costing the city billions (far over budget so far) and then what will happen? Prices will go up for use as well as a 5% per year property tax hike that has already been approved. I believe it's about 5% a year for at least 3 years in a row. You simply cannot win. It's sad. And it's happening everywhere right under our noses and has been for quite some time. How's that for pilot projects on Urban Sprawl? You can safely look up here for all sorts of examples of things being implemented in the US despite the problems we are reporting.

ps JFK - I am not a sir LOL.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Why AJ? His conspiracy crap detracts a good portion of people.

What "conspiracy crap", in particular, do you mean?

 

[Danke]

I chimed in because there are others here, like AF, who've somehow managed to get along just fine with Angela all these years, even though they are on the same side as folks like JFKIII in regards to AJ.

So here's my bottom line: you guys who are new to this rodeo and don't know or don't care that someone like Angela has actually done quite a bit for this movement and don't ignore her crankiness or say things trying to force her out might just want to imagine yourselves on this message board 4 years from now, all by yourselves, agreeing with each other and speculating on why everyone else left. Though I'm sure that you'd never contemplate that it could possibly be you. And it'll also be too bad that we've lost someone with her skill set.

The great thing about AF that you guys don't get, is that AJ is seen as fringe to a lot of people--even people here, and that you'll just further alienate them if you're obnoxious, or in this case equally obnoxious back at them.

I'll take 25 cranky Angela's butting into a thread over 1 of you guys. I'll take 25 reasonable AF's over you guys. Perhaps you could step back and learn something from a "vet" here, because you guys who would throw out anyone who isn't in lock step with you & AJ are a dime a dozen.

Do you get paid to post that stuff here?

 

[phill4paul]

Purple monkey dishwasher.

 

[jkob]

Oh god, guys watch this video right now. RIGHT NOW.



It seems like some kind of parody of a dystopian state, right? It's not. This shit is a real plan:

http://www.forumforthefuture.org/

And what's scary here is, go down to "Our Partners". I'll give you some examples from the list:

Johnson&Johnson, Bank of America, Kraft, HP, Panasonic, Sony, Heineken, Shell Oil, Sony Ericson, Mars (maker of pretty much all candy)

There's a lot more there though. Of course, the buzzword on that site is always "Sustainable", something coined in UN Agenda 21 in their "Sustainable Growth" plan.

wtf is this a joke video?

 

[marcirvine]

Everybody needs to be educated regarding Agenda 21!!!

 

[The Northbreather]

This is happening as we speak in my county. The county is trying to update their "general pan" by zoning all incorporated land Multi-family only. This is a largely rural area.
We have a coalition for rural property rights and are fighting.

F**K living in cubicles where you MUST:

Pay for corporate electricity
Pay for corporate gas
Drink "treated water"
Buy all of your food in stead of growing it for free

 

[azxd]

To get back on topic,
It is estimated that 43% of all green house gasses are the result of building construction ... Those who will tell you that the tailpipe of your SUV is the major cause are lying to you, and YES there is a movement that wants to consolidate everyone in compact self-sustaining units where one can live and work without the need for excessive transportation.

To simplify this,
We either become educated and control the situation that is in actuality the control of limited resources, or our own government will take control and force such things upon society.

The choice is ours, and I don't really care where the information comes from that wakes people up !!!

Resisting the idea sounds like a grand thing to do, but becoming educated to why this idea is on the table, will go a long way toward ensuring the future.
Designs that can be reused, rather than discarded become the proper approach for the future ... But the current mentality is to maximize profit in the first year via the sale of a property that will be bulldozed under within one generation.

The mentality needs to change !!!
The idea is not going to go away, but the approach to the solution can be controlled ... Time to make a choice.

And FWIW,
I am no tree hugger, but have looked at this, in depth ... Research "Sustainable Design" ... It is the future of the entire planet ... The only other choice is to eradicate many people, so our limited resources can last longer.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Why all the worries? We can fit a lot more people onto the land, we just have to squeeze together more. Of course the close proximity will require a few more rules than you are used to. And someone has to pay for the enforcement of these rules and maintenance of the common areas, so donations to the community pot via multiple levels of Homeowners Associations will take care of it nicely. The fees will be raised for inflation (or just for fun), so there will always be plenty of money for the community to spend. Plus we will always have Local, State, and Federal Taxes to help out. And having mandatory public transportation will provide real opportunities for yourself, your wife and your children to learn about the world and it's myriad inhabitants. Your children should be conditioned at a young age to properly tolerate schizophrenics, bums and gang bangers. And what's wrong with a little urine among comrades? Long lines, congestion and crowded places are just an added benefit, so that no one will feel alone anymore. The biggest benefit is that the price of homes can be stabilized! Just like the contents of food packages are being reduced, so will your homes. It will alleviate worries that some people have about silly technicalities like inflation.

 

[azxd]

Why all the worries? We can fit a lot more people onto the land, we just have to squeeze together more. Of course the close proximity will require a few more rules than you are used to. And someone has to pay for the enforcement of these rules and maintenance of the common areas, so donations to the community pot via multiple levels of Homeowners Associations will take care of it nicely. The fees will be raised for inflation (or just for fun), so there will always be plenty of money for the community to spend. Plus we will always have Local, State, and Federal Taxes to help out. And having mandatory public transportation will provide real opportunities for yourself, your wife and your children to learn about the world and it's myriad inhabitants. Your children should be conditioned at a young age to properly tolerate schizophrenics, bums and gang bangers. And what's wrong with a little urine among comrades? Long lines, congestion and crowded places are just an added benefit, so that no one will feel alone anymore. The biggest benefit is that the price of homes can be stabilized! Just like the contents of food packages are being reduced, so will your homes. It will alleviate worries that some people have about silly technicalities like inflation.

YES, and as people make claims that a country like China is more authoritarian that this nation ... The nature of our government shows this to be a false claim.

Build against the rules in China, and you can still occupy/use the building, because it is needed ... Here it will not be allowed to be used unless it is brought into compliance, and if necessary, it will be destroyed for violating building codes, which often times now include an environmentally friendly aspect that must be met.

 

[QuickZ06]

I chimed in because there are others here, like AF, who've somehow managed to get along just fine with Angela all these years, even though they are on the same side as folks like JFKIII in regards to AJ.

So here's my bottom line: you guys who are new to this rodeo and don't know or don't care that someone like Angela has actually done quite a bit for this movement and don't ignore her crankiness or say things trying to force her out might just want to imagine yourselves on this message board 4 years from now, all by yourselves, agreeing with each other and speculating on why everyone else left. Though I'm sure that you'd never contemplate that it could possibly be you. And it'll also be too bad that we've lost someone with her skill set.

The great thing about AF that you guys don't get, is that AJ is seen as fringe to a lot of people--even people here, and that you'll just further alienate them if you're obnoxious, or in this case equally obnoxious back at them.

I'll take 25 cranky Angela's butting into a thread over 1 of you guys. I'll take 25 reasonable AF's over you guys. Perhaps you could step back and learn something from a "vet" here, because you guys who would throw out anyone who isn't in lock step with you & AJ are a dime a dozen.

First like every NEWS source I read, I take it with a grain of salt, period. I have never had an issue with Angela and don't ever intend to as our core is the same FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. I do not have time to argue over the internet about something so minimal (Yes I know I am doing it right now, but I am done after this post). LIBERTY is on my mind. And really this whole vet/seniority thing is BS. Who cares when you got on the liberty train, you're hear and thats all that matters. You will shove people away from the movement with your holy than thou presence. I have seen what a "seniority" attitude with get you in my past experiences. Unless you are using your past experience to help better others, there is no reason to shout out I'm a "vet". You dislike AJ, I think some of the stuff he puts out there is a eye opener for people but I do feel he goes off on the deep end sometimes. But the fact is he is pro liberty and by that makes him a lot better than other news sources.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I know of alex jones, have seen vids with him, read pieces by him, etc. I take some with a grain of salt, and try to pick out the main parts that I can check on myself - just like with pretty much anyone who posts anything lol. I believe bias is mixed in with everything - it's pretty hard for a person to claim they are non-biased and I don't believe that. I dont mean that in a bad way, but everyone has their own experiences in life that they bring to their opinions whether they realize it or not. AJ sensationalizes things like most people do, but he leaves trails that one can follow. I read the main piece for the original post in the Wall Street Journal and then ran a search on certain parts like the title of the Bill and then went from there on my own. What I found rolled my eyes back in my head. I even found an enviro award on that canadian FCM site that praised the city of Calgary for it's amount of green areas and protected areas but my brother lives there and has sent me news articles detailing how enviro groups are now complaining about the sprawl. Calgary has become ENORMOUS, it really has, but where the heck are all those people supposed to live? there are endless articles now about the number of housing complexes (DETACHED of course) out there around Calgary and how they are using up so much land. Ive seen it myself every year and it really is shocking how much the landscape has changed - but it has in my city as well. They want to attract people with jobs and income, but then complain when they all move in. It's mental. My brother sent me an article about a year ago showing how there is a movement in Calgary to build apartment complexes instead of these huge detached and semi-detached housing estates. Meanwhile they get green awards for the parks that each new housing complex puts in. You can't win. Move here! Work here! But dont you DARE try to own an actual home. Whatever! And to think these things are being mandated in smaller cities now --- a blueprint, pilot project, trial run for what they plan to do in bigger cities.

*I am editing this to add that at the same time groups are working to try to get people who work in the downtown core to actually live closer (reducing GHG emissions), the parking fees in Calgary are the second highest in NORTH AMERICA, according to Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper. theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/calgarys-parking-spots-the-priciest/article1195092/ . I know that my boss's daughter moved out to the 'burbs a few years ago and talked about how parking fees are over $700 a month with her business so she found a cheaper spot at $350 a month. woo. cheap! Anyway they force people to live closer to work, but then also charge higher parking prices to make it so people take alternative transportation instead (bus, train, walking, etc - keeping in mind it is frigid cold for 6 months of the year in a bad winter, 4 months of the year in a good winter with temps at -30, 2-4 feet of snow, etc - ya let's ride our bikes and walk! fun!) and then they also keep raising the prices of that as well. Calgary is in the middle of huge expansions of it's commuter train service but it is costing the city billions (far over budget so far) and then what will happen? Prices will go up for use as well as a 5% per year property tax hike that has already been approved. I believe it's about 5% a year for at least 3 years in a row. You simply cannot win. It's sad. And it's happening everywhere right under our noses and has been for quite some time. How's that for pilot projects on Urban Sprawl? You can safely look up here for all sorts of examples of things being implemented in the US despite the problems we are reporting.

ps JFK - I am not a sir LOL.

*takes a bow* Ma'am :o

 

[John F Kennedy III]

First like every NEWS source I read, I take it with a grain of salt, period. I have never had an issue with Angela and don't ever intend to as our core is the same FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. I do not have time to argue over the internet about something so minimal (Yes I know I am doing it right now, but I am done after this post). LIBERTY is on my mind. And really this whole vet/seniority thing is BS. Who cares when you got on the liberty train, you're hear and thats all that matters. You will shove people away from the movement with your holy than thou presence. I have seen what a "seniority" attitude with get you in my past experiences. Unless you are using your past experience to help better others, there is no reason to shout out I'm a "vet". You dislike AJ, I think some of the stuff he puts out there is a eye opener for people but I do feel he goes off on the deep end sometimes. But the fact is he is pro liberty and by that makes him a lot better than other news sources.

That.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Who cares where he was in 08, he is supporting liberty and Ron Paul RIGHT NOW. Angelic came in with the hate first and it was unnecessary, period. If you do not like AJ then then do not click or comment on a link. Really simple, especially for liberty mined folks such as ourselves.

Yes, quite.

*said in the most 19th century upper class british accent you can imagine.*

 

[angelatc]

You ought to settle down. Angela has been here and been working in this movement for years, she's contributed quite a lot and you've done what? Posted a lot of AJ articles?

Not everyone here likes or respects him. Some for good reason, others for blindly accepting that he's a sensationalist or other reasons. You don't know why she isn't a fan, and maybe she's right not to be. Many here were once fans of Glenn Beck and he turned out to be a total shithead, while many here were reamed out for criticizing an "ally."

I don't care about AJ one way or another. I think that he is a sensationalist, but that's his style - I respect that. I just think that it's pretty stupid to post every article that they produce. He has his own site, and a lot of us read it. Even more of us agree with at least 50% of what he posts. (The people that get immediately turned off by him are already long gone. )

But this isn't the Alex Jones forums, and I think it's stupid to start a new thread every time an AJ writer publishes. He has his own site for that.

I am one of the few here that can stand to ingest information from sources that you guys would detest. Maybe I'll start posting Michelle Malkin's stuff here. After all, she's only about 20% crazy too.

 

[Xhin]

ITT: People who support liberty are mad that other people that support liberty disagree with them.

 

[Simple]

Agenda 21 is here. In my town I can go to the city's zoning map and the land use plan and guess what? My apartment is planned to be a green space. So are hundreds of low income housing units around me. I heard from the city planner and mayor who told us that they do not allow agriculture in the city. No agriculture allowed, but putting hundreds of poor families out on the street for green spaces seems to be all part of the plan.

Go to your city or county's web site and look at the zoning and land use plans. This isn't happening somewhere else, it is coming to your back yard.

 

[kezt777]

Why all the worries? We can fit a lot more people onto the land, we just have to squeeze together more. Of course the close proximity will require a few more rules than you are used to. And someone has to pay for the enforcement of these rules and maintenance of the common areas, so donations to the community pot via multiple levels of Homeowners Associations will take care of it nicely. The fees will be raised for inflation (or just for fun), so there will always be plenty of money for the community to spend. Plus we will always have Local, State, and Federal Taxes to help out. And having mandatory public transportation will provide real opportunities for yourself, your wife and your children to learn about the world and it's myriad inhabitants. Your children should be conditioned at a young age to properly tolerate schizophrenics, bums and gang bangers. And what's wrong with a little urine among comrades? Long lines, congestion and crowded places are just an added benefit, so that no one will feel alone anymore. The biggest benefit is that the price of homes can be stabilized! Just like the contents of food packages are being reduced, so will your homes. It will alleviate worries that some people have about silly technicalities like inflation.

Brian this made me laugh because I do not have a drivers license and never have. I hate it. DETEST it. I feel like my chest is going to explode if someone even mentions taking me out for driving lessons. Im almost 39. It's a phobia I guess. People are afraid of tiny little wee spiders yet laugh at my fear of driving a ton of metal at high speeds amongst other zooming pieces of metal.... but taking public transportation all these years is actually making me WANT to get over my fear and get my stupid license finally. I hate it. More and more people are cramming on it in my small city, and my kids have been witness to all sorts of fun events on them (including me having to report a man for trying to touch my son's HAIR when he thought I wasnt looking), and it's just getting more and more difficult for me to tolerate the number of people, crappy service, long times waiting for buses in the cold/storms.... so while they are trying to make more people want to take the bus, many who have been long-time users are hating it more and wanting to STOP using it. Ironic isnt it?

 

[kezt777]

Agenda 21 is here. In my town I can go to the city's zoning map and the land use plan and guess what? My apartment is planned to be a green space. So are hundreds of low income housing units around me. I heard from the city planner and mayor who told us that they do not allow agriculture in the city. No agriculture allowed, but putting hundreds of poor families out on the street for green spaces seems to be all part of the plan.

Go to your city or county's web site and look at the zoning and land use plans. This isn't happening somewhere else, it is coming to your back yard.

Reminds me of my small city in the middle of a huge rural farming area... some local people over the years have requested they be allowed to keep one to three chickens in their yards for eggs. They are repeatedly turned down because livestock is not allowed in the city. But apparently it's perfectly okay to own a bunch of dogs and cats and let them poop all over the lawns, even their own, and never clean it up so that neighbours have to smell it UGH gag. We do not own any pets now cos our old quiet doggie died 2 years ago, but our yard is full of cat crap. Smells great in the 100 degree summer heat. And it's okay to have dogs barking their brains out at every car or person that goes by, but it's not okay to have a couple of chickens clucking. I dont want to find a bunch of donkeys, goats, roosters, etc in a neighbour's yard, but a full out ban on any animal considered livestock doesnt sound right either. I would love to have a couple chickens and use their eggs instead of the mystery eggs we can buy at the store. But it's not allowed.

I dont know what our zoning laws are, but I have definately noticed that the houses in the newest estates are considerably smaller and much closer together. I swear you could hang out a window and touch next door's walls.