CA-Mountain View area hospital admits over half of CCP19 patients fully vaxxed

[acptulsa]

Mountain view's vaccination rate was 75% in May and is undoubtedly much higher by now.


The fact that only 57% of the hospital's patients are fully vaccinated means the exact opposite of what you think it does.

No, it's not "undoubtedly much higher now", as some of that 75% didn't get boosters, and ceased to be "fully 'vaccinated'".

El Camino hospital is in Mountain View.

It serves the city of Mountain View and the surrounding area.

Mountain View is in Santa Clara County CA.

Santa Clara County has a fully vaxxed and boosted rate of 58 percent.

What? A dashboard? A real time tracker, that doesn't date way, way back to May? Something that keeps track of people dropping off Santa's nice list? How naughty of you.

Good guess! It's 87.5% for the county, helpfully provided by AF. That means that the unvaccinated are 3.5x over represented in the hospital.

Of course, that doesn't include the fact that Mountain View is the location of Google HQ and Mozilla HQ and undoubtedly has a far higher vax rate that the county as a whole, but hey, whatever.




What narrative? Are we going to play the 'if you're not on team A then you must be on team B' game? I love that game!

No. We're going to start playing the Compare Apples Only to Apples game. 87.5% are at least partially "vaccinated". In other words, 58% of the population are apples, and the other thirty right there are oranges.*

That column is from a completely different data set. Might as well be the percentage of lumpy potatoes.

Looks like the data set the doctor who wrote the memo looked at, when he analyzed the contents of his wards.

That the numbers that the author is claiming mean something do not actually mean that thing. It's a common thing that I post here, that random paytriot bloggers seem to have... selective difficulties with numbers and percentages. Math generally. For more of the same, see the white mass murderer thread.

Your Grace is the one finding that maths be hard today.

I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one who notices it. It's like walking into a Starbucks on a Berkeley campus when you're posting.

He handles statistics like a Keynesian. He bungles everything, then calls you names for noticing.


* Which means only 12.5% of the population of this California county aren't fruits. How depressing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Blah blah blah blah. What does this screed have to do with anything?

The numerous and mounting adverse reactions, often fatal, along with very high percentages of vaxxed ending up in the hospital anyways mean that the jabs are unsafe and ineffective.

Are you in favor of government, by force, jabbing people with a proven unsafe and ineffective medication against their will and better judgement?

 

[CaptUSA]

Good guess! It's 87.5% for the county, helpfully provided by AF. That means that the unvaccinated are 3.5x over represented in the hospital.

It doesn't mean that at all! You conveniently left out that the other group is not just unvaccinated. It's a mixed bag of people. Unvaccinated with no previous infection, unvaccinated previously recovered from infection, and "under" vaccinated whose vaccinated status as "fully" has been rescinded. It also includes a portion of people who were fully vaccinated but have failed to reach the time thresholds for the "fully vaccinated" label. (You are not considered "fully boosted" until 2 weeks after your last injection.)

It must be conceded that the fully vaccinated group is under-represented in the hospitalization numbers, but you must also consider so many other factors that make that it a correlation rather than a causation. For example, as you noted, in Mountain View, many people of working age have been mandated by their employers to be vaccinated. The demographic that works for those companies skews the data since those employees are not likely to be hospitalized regardless of their vaccination status. They skew young, active, and healthy. Conversely, people in the older population who are most at risk and thus stand to gain the most marginal utility from a vaccine, also have a higher vaccination rate. In that demographic, continued vaccination surely helps by temporarily triggering an immune system response prior to infection.

The vaccines effectiveness should not be judged based on a correlation. If it were truly effective for most people, you would see a stronger causation in the medical coding of hospitalization cases.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Obviously I know where the hospital is, since I'm the one who linked you the Mountain View stats in the first place. Which standard of fully vaccinated do you think that the hospital admin is quoting? Do you know? Does he say? I know why you're choosing to interpret that as a booster shot, that's blindingly obvious.

Seems to me that whichever it is, I win this argument.

If 100% of Santa Clara county was fully boosted and vaxxed, and over half the people at a large hospital in that county were there because they got sick and hospitalized from the disease the jabs was supposed to prevent, that a pretty dismal failure rate regardless.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Lies, damned lies, and government statistics.

I trust the statistics as given directly by the hospital far more than anything coming from Dr. Sara Cody and Santa Clara County. Also, Santa Clara is a huge county, so county stats would not necessarily reflect the patients at that hospital.

That being said, a lot of people who got the first vaccination have not received the booster, and thus would no longer be considered “fully vaccinated”, or in Fauci’s terminology of the day, they aren't “up to date”.

The hospitals stats are reasonable, and would indicate that the vaccine has no effect on hospitalization.

But the main point of his memo is that the county would be foolish to enforce a vaccine mandate on health care workers, as it would have no effect on transmission or hospitalization, and they would lose a lot of workers who are not “fully” vaccinated. They are stretched now, and it would become a true staffing and care crisis, created for no reason by ignorant politicians and bureaucrats.

 

[TheCount]

No, it's not "undoubtedly much higher now", as some of that 75% didn't get boosters, and ceased to be "fully 'vaccinated'".

Is that the standard that the doc is using in the op?

 

[TheCount]

It doesn't mean that at all! You conveniently left out that the other group is not just unvaccinated. It's a mixed bag of people. Unvaccinated with no previous infection, unvaccinated previously recovered from infection, and "under" vaccinated whose vaccinated status as "fully" has been rescinded. It also includes a portion of people who were fully vaccinated but have failed to reach the time thresholds for the "fully vaccinated" label. (You are not considered "fully boosted" until 2 weeks after your last injection.)

If you want to slice it that thin, you would need to subdivide the unvaccinated but recovered into various groups depending on which variant they had recovered from, as the natural immunity that resulted from each would be of decreasing effectiveness with both time and variant.

"Had covid A but recovered" and "had one immunization a year and a half ago" are similar in that regard.

It must be conceded that the fully vaccinated group is under-represented in the hospitalization numbers, but you must also consider so many other factors that make that it a correlation rather than a causation.

Why are you so interested in the factors which make that a correlation and not a causation, and not the factors which make the op's point a correlation and not a causation?

In other words, what's the difference between your post and my post?

 

[Voluntarist]

Lies, damned lies, and government statistics.

And do we have the data we're really interested in? How many of those admitted to the hospital were admitted for Covid as opposed to coming in for sepsis symptoms (or other things) and testing positive for Covid (and being placed in Covid isolation due to the positive test)? Isn't that what we were complaining about early on in this whole mess - that gun shot victims and car accident victims were being counted as Covid admissions because they tested positive for Covid.

 

[RJB]

If you read a tone into the text of my posts, that's clearly your problem and not mine.

Hmmm... Why is it that everyone, except maybe Ender, takes it for granted that you are a hyper progressive democrat?

It's not just Nobody's_hero.

 

[acptulsa]

Is that the standard that the doc is using in the op?

Currently, 57% of our hospitalized COVID patients are fully vaccinated.

Well gee, Your Grace, why do modern medical officials generally include the adjective "fully" these days? To indicate they're immune from measles, polio and rubella?

 

[acptulsa]

Is that the standard that the doc is using in the op?

Currently, 57% of our hospitalized COVID patients are fully vaccinated.

Well gee, Your Grace, why do modern medical officials generally include the adjective "fully" these days? To indicate they're immune from measles, polio and rubella?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Seems to me that whichever it is, I win this argument.

If 100% of Santa Clara county was fully boosted and vaxxed, and over half the people at a large hospital in that county were there because they got sick and hospitalized from the disease the jabs was supposed to prevent, that a pretty dismal failure rate regardless.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/ScienceWDrDoug/status/1479628137365442567

to-may-to, to-mah-to ...

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1474828564843274240

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Can we please get [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] in here to interpret this data?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Can we please get [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] in here to interpret this data?

I'd settle for an answer to my question back in post 17:

Are you in favor of government, by force, jabbing people with a proven unsafe and ineffective medication against their will and better judgment?

 

[RJB]

Can we please get [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] in here to interpret this data?

I'd settle for an answer to my question back in post 17:

I don't identify as a conservative, but I do identify as a libertarian.

I thought the "I identify as an Apache Attack Helicopter," was funny. Now a full on communist can ID as a libertarian because he feels like he identifies as one.

 

[TheCount]

I'd settle for an answer to my question back in post 17:

I'll trade you. I'll answer that question if you tell me why you believe that anyone who isn't on your "team" is automatically on some imaginary, opposed "team," and why both "teams" must have ridiculous, untenable beliefs.


I've consistently spoken against both types of vaccine mandates. Meanwhile, while supposed libertarians on here have entirely sacrificed the concept of property rights on the new altar of their COVID beliefs. And somehow I'm the fake libertarian.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'll trade you. I'll answer that question if you tell me why you believe that anyone who isn't on your "team" is automatically on some imaginary, opposed "team," and why both "teams" must have ridiculous, untenable beliefs.


I've consistently spoken against both types of vaccine mandates. Meanwhile, while supposed libertarians on here have entirely sacrificed the concept of property rights on the new altar of their COVID beliefs. And somehow I'm the fake libertarian.

Who on this board has spoken against property rights because of COVID?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'll trade you. I'll answer that question if you tell me why you believe that anyone who isn't on your "team" is automatically on some imaginary, opposed "team," and why both "teams" must have ridiculous, untenable beliefs.

Because war has been declared on me, personally, by the President of the United States.

In war, things get ugly that way: you're either with me or against me.

I am asking a direct and simple question that can determine that.

I've consistently spoken against both types of vaccine mandates.

I must have missed that, sorry.

What is your answer to this: (note that I removed any reference to effectiveness)

Are you in favor of government, by force, jabbing people with a medication against their will and better judgment?

Moving on...

Meanwhile, while supposed libertarians on here have entirely sacrificed the concept of property rights on the new altar of their COVID beliefs. And somehow I'm the fake libertarian.

I'm assuming you are referring to businesses setting CCP19 policy regarding access or employees.

People are not property.

I am not a chattel slave or indentured servant because I agree to sell a number of hours of my time and skills and labor each day.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I've consistently spoken against both types of vaccine mandates.

Where?