C4l - read this now!

[MRoCkEd]

I do think the member fee is reasonable. I am confident they are going to be reeling out new tools.
The problem is that the design sucks!!!

 

[Terces]

Yes, we all need to remember that it truly is us who make this site. If we voice our displeasure and our praise they will be heard. I'm confident that everything will turn out ok; I just hope that the CFL really taps into the full potential that it has instead of... falling off the tracks.

 

[Chiznaddy]

Hold on, a different, user-based and free site is coming soon...it is independent of the CFL, but of course will be supportive of them and their cause.

It is much more advance than the CFL site and was offered to CFL, but turned down because it was Free, had a voting system, etc...

I don't want to play blame games or articulate my difference of opinion w/ CFL choices because, at the end of the day, its their organization and they get to choose what they want.

More details to come.

 

[evilfunnystuff]

http://www.freedom-force.org/

i like these guys they dont really have a networking site thou7gh they do connect members with each other via email but it is much more grassroots oriented and is "holographic" so that if something happens to ruin destroy or corrupt certain chapter(s) that it is self regenerating and encourages you to not blindly trust your leaders

 

[LibertyEagle]

The precinct program didn't get the interest of the grassroots when it was free on the RP2008 site. At a 35.00 fee it's gone. Precinct work is a lot of walking and sweat. The setup of the RonPaul2008 website was efficient because the PDF files were stored for the grassroots to print.

Now to say that we are restricted from that information needed to proliferate the C4L site unless we come up with 35.00 is cutting off their nose to spite their face. Not a wise decision at all.

Well, I think this was an effort to keep out some of the trolls. Sure, if they're bound and determined they'll pay the $35 and go at it, but most probably will not.

 

[penguin]

Shaking my head, the above posters clearly indicate that you all did not comprehend what I explained. The C4L is dividing us and is not encouraging grassroots to network together in terms of resources. Simply put, on the C4L site with the US map, you could simply put a facebook group up for each state. The facebook system would network everyone together via mutual friends and all. And each state would handle their own respective groups. There was no need to try to create a seperate system that takes away $35 from the grassroots and just funds a certain group of individuals.

I think I get what your saying. If I had a local group, our funds would be dedicated to local issues that are inline with the overall group. Abolishing the state income tax would actually have funds and the Republican running against Barney Frank would be a Ron Paul supporter. Is this what your talking about?

 

[AJ Antimony]

One problem IMO is that C4L hasn't been clear at all so far. They launched in what, June?, and still don't look like anything special. For months they've talked to us about all these special, awesome, super helpful features they're going to have but they're still not here.

They finally relaunch the website, and all I see is contact info for Congresspeople, a small Youtube at the top that I can barely see, an oddly organized Q&A/forum section, a blog, and coordinators who weren't elected (at least I didn't have a ballot). Oh, and nowhere on the website does it actually say what's in the Precinct Leader program.

So yes, as it stands right now, I find the fee laughable. Unless they add several useful features, I can't see what the fee is actually paying for. I can find Congress contact info anywhere else, this forum DOMINATES all, and blogs are everywhere. IMO people should be growing impatient and a little angry about the fee.

 

[Rhys]

it's a second rate site.... no doubt about it... hard to read, hard to use... but i'm torn on the membership fee. Ultimately, I hope that we're not talking about the C4L being a place that comes up with cool webpages. if they actually do any political work and not just blog posts, someday soon, it will take money.

 

[gunjin22]

YAL(Young Americans for Liberty)

Appreciate all the feedback this thread has been getting. I am updating my first post with information about the YAL(Young Americans for Liberty)
I have not heard one thing discussed by the C4L about the YAL(Young Americans for Liberty) , turns out Ron Paul gave money to the Leadership Institute and is targeting college kids to start YAL chapters at their schools. Why has there been no mention of this from Ron Paul specifically? I received an email from a Reese Talley telling me, he would take me to dinner, and all this other kind of stuff about starting a YAL chapter at my college. And he explained how my chapter could get thousands of dollars to host forums and to get books and other supplies. Meanwhile, I am thinking to myself, this is another thing that the C4L/Ron Paul is not communicating with the grassroots about. Then turns out, the kid that is the new YAL chapter leader at my school hasnt done a thing with the Ron Paul campaign in my city. He didnt even network with any of the real activists/organizers of the meetup groups. There is an apparent disconnect between C4L/Ron Paul/ and the grassroots.
Peace,Robert

 

[shesapainter]

real supporters, real supporters

I think this well also help ween out the people who come on threads like these and post bullshit info to throw off the efforts of the real supporters. So what certain group of individuals is this funding?

Were you at the Tea Party in Boston? the Revolution March? Real Politics Training or Leadership Summit? the Rally for the Republic? This person was at all of these things. I won't give you his resume, but you should not say things like this without knowing the person and if they are a "real supporter" or not.

 

[BlueCalico]

Waaaaa!

Oh, for God's sake, stop your whining and crying. The C4L just started up. Have you actually proposed solutions to them or are you just using this forum as a bitch session?

Grow up.

 

[BlueCalico]

The C-4-L train is just leaving the station and I see many signs pointing to an early train wreck...

Do you have any real suggestions for the C4L or just making general statements?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Do you have any real suggestions for the C4L or just making general statements?

I've got a suggestion. They could stop lurking here and start answering valid questions/concerns.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I'm seeing minor improvements here and there (I can finally click to see a list of everyone in my state—instead of just knowing how many members of C4L there are in Georgia, I can click and actually see their screen-names), but I don't think the C4L website is going to be much use to us for the 2008 election anyway. Hopefully, they'll work the kinks out, and we'll have a really useful tool to coordinate for the 2010 congressional election.

I want it to be more than a news source, and I think its creators wanted it to be more, too.

Time will tell.

 

[MRoCkEd]

I got this reply from c4l:

After reviewing the cost of web design companies, it has been decided to develop functionality over format at this time. We hope to improve the appearance in the near future. Your comments are appreciated.
--
Deb Wells
Campaign for Liberty

 

[yoshimaroka]

If you want help, I'm good at Photoshop and can volunteer.

Check your PM

 

[shesapainter]

Really!

I've got a suggestion. They could stop lurking here and start answering valid questions/concerns.

Like on what and how is the $35 used?

 

[constituent]

oh, for god's sake, stop your whining and crying. The c4l just started up.

in june!

 

[constituent]

they could stop lurking here and start answering valid questions/concerns.

troll! Divider! Heretic!

</sarcasm>

 

[StateofTrance]

Let the grassroots handle all these web activities than some 2 cents bureaucratic chump.