Bystander's Video Shows AZ Police Shooting Suspect Who Had Surrendered

[Wallrat]

My point is that when a bunch of cops have guns pointed at you, that is the wrong time to do anything but exactly what-the-fuck they tell you to do. If you're dead you can't sue for being wronged. That doesn't make this guys murder right...as he was certainly murdered, it just makes him wrong for not doing what he needed to do to survive. I hope that makes plain that I in no way whatever support the US Police State.

 

[tod evans]

If you're dead you can't sue for being wronged.

Suing is not, and has never been, the correct answer to this type of behavior.

Looking at any government employee or their actions as a pay-day is a disease.

 

[DamianTV]

Lines drawn in the sand are drawn at the Limits of Rights. Conflict arises when those lines are crossed. Are there ANY lines that Cops will not cross?

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

cowards shoot first and ask questions later.

 

[Origanalist]

"Sadly, he forced this situation. And this looks like more of a situation of suicide by cop." - Sheriff Paul Babeu

As of one week after the shooting, the officer who killed Longoria was cleared and back on duty.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"Sadly, he forced this situation. And this looks like more of a situation of suicide by cop." - Sheriff Paul Babeu

He did this to himself.

 

[Origanalist]

He did this to himself.

It's a tragedy.

 

[DamianTV]

"Sadly, he forced this situation. And this looks like more of a situation of suicide by cop." - Sheriff Paul Babeu

I smell BS.

The thing about lies is there need to be two people involved; 1) The person telling the Lie, and 2) The person believing the lie.

Its a shame that so many believe the lies told by Cops because of their Costumes and phony Titles.

 

[Danke]

Lines drawn in the sand are drawn at the Limits of Rights. Conflict arises when those lines are crossed. Are there ANY lines that Cops will not cross?

Love the backdrop. She lives in beautiful country.

 

[Neil Desmond]

This is probably a good reason for why cops shouldn't be permitted to carry firearms when on duty, just like in Alaska: http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/forum/17/2summer2000/a_vpsofacts.html

 

[jtap]

Yeah, they murdered the guy.

Nah, only murder when a non-cop does it.

 

[Occam's Banana]

My point is that when a bunch of cops have guns pointed at you, that is the wrong time to do anything but exactly what-the-fuck they tell you to do. [...] That doesn't make this guys murder right...as he was certainly murdered, it just makes him wrong for not doing what he needed to do to survive.

Even if he had complied fully & perfectly with every jot and tittle of "exactly what-the-fuck they tell you to do," he still could have been (and very well might have been) gunned down anyway. All that cops have to do is claim that they "thought" or "felt" that their "safety" was somehow being compromised - and on that basis alone (and contrary to any other evidence) they are granted a post facto license to kill with impunity.

Until cops are held to exactly the same standard to which you or I would be held, it doesn't really matter whether or not you do "exactly what-the-fuck they tell you to do." All they have to do is "feel" like there is a reason for killing you (or merely say after the fact that they "felt" that way), and you are as good as dead.

You or me (or any other mundane) "doing what is needed to do to survive" simply does not enter into it ...

 

[Deborah K]

Suing is not, and has never been, the correct answer to this type of behavior.

Looking at any government employee or their actions as a pay-day is a disease.

I don't agree with this. If I sat on a jury for this guy, I'd do everything possible to make sure he won his case.

 

[tod evans]

I don't agree with this. If I sat on a jury for this guy, I'd do everything possible to make sure he won his case.

The guy's dead and suing the department serves no purpose other than financial compensation for the family. And they do deserve compensation.

The murders must be addressed too. Not their department, or the city/county, the group that conspired to murder the guy. If you or I had a group of our co-workers assist us in murdering another human we'd all be jailed on murder charges.

The "Just-Us" system as it stands doesn't provide a means to punish these murders.

That is what I was addressing when I stated "suing ain't the answer".....

 

[Deborah K]

The guy's dead and suing the department serves no purpose other than financial compensation for the family. And they do deserve compensation.

Yes, I know he's dead. I jumped into the exchange between you and Wallrat where he/she states:

My point is that when a bunch of cops have guns pointed at you, that is the wrong time to do anything but exactly what-the-fuck they tell you to do. If you're dead you can't sue for being wronged. That doesn't make this guys murder right...as he was certainly murdered, it just makes him wrong for not doing what he needed to do to survive. I hope that makes plain that I in no way whatever support the US Police State.

To which you replied:

Suing is not, and has never been, the correct answer to this type of behavior.

Looking at any government employee or their actions as a pay-day is a disease.

To which I then made my statement about supporting him as a juror (had he lived and sued).

The murders must be addressed too. Not their department, or the city/county, the group that conspired to murder the guy. If you or I had a group of our co-workers assist us in murdering another human we'd all be jailed on murder charges.

The "Just-Us" system as it stands doesn't provide a means to punish these murders.

That is what I was addressing when I stated "suing ain't the answer"

And this is where I disagree. If enough people comply to save their own lives, and then sue on the basis of police brutality, and win with jurors like us, I think it would aid in bringing much more awareness to the issue of police brutality. I know the odds are stacked in favor of the state, but the tide could turn if more focus is put on the importance of jury nullification.

 

[tod evans]

And this is where I disagree. If enough people comply to save their own lives, and then sue on the basis of police brutality, and win with jurors like us, I think it would aid in bringing much more awareness to the issue of police brutality. I know the odds are stacked in favor of the state, but the tide could turn if more focus is put on the importance of jury nullification.

Jury nullification and suing might, maybe, have some affect at some point....

I'll grant you that.

 

[Wallrat]

There are only two ways to stop all of this cop-on-citizen violence: through awareness and the courts, or through awareness, mass protest/unrest and/or shooting back. I'm not ready to see the second option, thus my support for the first. If you don't agree with using the system to fix the system, I suggest you try the option #2. And then we'll be reading about you getting shot on some street. That's just the present reality. There is no point in discussing how wrong this violence is...we all know it's assault/murder/tyranny. What to do about it is the point.

To me, jurors and nullification are the last,great hope we have left to us. When that is gone, we're in a pure police state.