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Cliven explained that,, on his way out.
There is video of it.
She did a great many favors.
Bundy Trial ends In Mistrial!
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Cliven explained that,, on his way out.
There is video of it.
She did a great many favors.
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Far from over...
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/jan/08/us-judge-in-las-vegas-may-dismiss-ranching-standof/
Also, the lefts autistic screeching....
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/jan/08/us-judge-in-las-vegas-may-dismiss-ranching-standof/
Also, the lefts autistic screeching....
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It may be just screeching..
But looking for the spin different folks took,, I did find WeeK News,,, and that was fun
I think the reverberations from this will echo. and getting on top of spin could push the pendulum..
or maybe it has made me a little bit optimistic.
Fake news because the appeal would be double jeapordy. The case was dismissed with prejudice.
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That's not what was quoted. It stated.
She would not retry unless successfully appealing the ruling. If she successfully challenged the ruling, then they could retry. In which case it wouldn't be double jeopardy because a higher court ruled Navarros ruling null and void. Game reset. At least that is how I read it.
A highly unlikely scenario but an option for the desperate non the less.
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Especially unlikely. considering ALL the information available to the defense.. It would be the equivalent of the government putting the government on trial.
Not likely,, this is a can of worms,, and they will try to bury it,,, not open it.
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The more I search around on the web for legal guidance the more I think [MENTION=679]dude58677[/MENTION] is correct. I don't see how they can be re-tried without it being double jeopardy.
Also, I tend to agree with [MENTION=982]pcosmar[/MENTION] in that the government will just try to let this one go as quietly as possible.
There is going to be a huge payout for this though it will take years. All of these men were denied bail and spent two years in prison, subjected to strip searches and solitary confinement because the prosecution with held an FBI threat assessment that said they were not dangerous.
Also, I tend to agree with [MENTION=982]pcosmar[/MENTION] in that the government will just try to let this one go as quietly as possible.
There is going to be a huge payout for this though it will take years. All of these men were denied bail and spent two years in prison, subjected to strip searches and solitary confinement because the prosecution with held an FBI threat assessment that said they were not dangerous.
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Cliven will be at the Local Sheriff Office at 1:00 today. (Changed until tomorrow the 10th)
I'm Looking for streams.
https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch...7bSQ3A6OvT_bvrxgsc28fufCSXn9tjAaINOZ0gYeaZWws
I'm Looking for streams.
https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch...7bSQ3A6OvT_bvrxgsc28fufCSXn9tjAaINOZ0gYeaZWws
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Congratulations to the Bundy family and all supporters of liberty
Of less importance but interesting:
I know nobody here was fooled by the “endangered desert tortoise” story, but I heard something kind of interesting which really calls the whole claim into question.
On some talk or news show, I saw this zoo guy who brought out a big desert tortoise to show. He was about to feed it when he said - “If you want to be best friends with a tortoise, feed him some melon!”
Once I found out that the Bundys had used part of their land as a melon farm, I realized - any tortoises hanging around weren’t there for the natural habitat - they were there for the melon supply!
If you google tortoise and melon, you get a bunch of hits, mostly from pet owners talking about feeding melon to their tortoises… and they love eating the vines as much as the melons. So Bundy’s land use was never harming tortoises, it was attracting them!
Maybe the Bundys knew this all along, but I doubt it would ever have occurred to most of us.
Of less importance but interesting:
I know nobody here was fooled by the “endangered desert tortoise” story, but I heard something kind of interesting which really calls the whole claim into question.
On some talk or news show, I saw this zoo guy who brought out a big desert tortoise to show. He was about to feed it when he said - “If you want to be best friends with a tortoise, feed him some melon!”
Once I found out that the Bundys had used part of their land as a melon farm, I realized - any tortoises hanging around weren’t there for the natural habitat - they were there for the melon supply!
If you google tortoise and melon, you get a bunch of hits, mostly from pet owners talking about feeding melon to their tortoises… and they love eating the vines as much as the melons. So Bundy’s land use was never harming tortoises, it was attracting them!
Maybe the Bundys knew this all along, but I doubt it would ever have occurred to most of us.
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There is video of Carol Bundy explaining some..
But they coexist well together..
It was actually the BLM that destroyed over 400 at a research site,, while they were on a slaughtering spree.
http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/archi...ts-conservation-center-runs-out-of-money.html
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Some Updates from Roger Roots:
In 2013 the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained federal court orders authorizing the agency to “seize and remove to impound” hundreds of Cliven Bundy’s cattle … and descended on the area in April 2014 with some 200 body-armor-wearing agents, semiautomatic weapons, sniper teams, undercover informants, and surveillance cameras aimed at the Bundy residence. …
They brought backhoes, dumptrucks and earth-moving equipment to tear up water lines and other infrastructure … Defying county officials, the federal officers chose calving season—the very time when cows and newborn calves are most physically weak and vulnerable—to execute the court orders. They orchestrated a paramilitarized roundup operation using helicopters to terrify the cattle into stampeding to the point of exhaustion in extreme heat. At least 40 cows either died from the ordeal or were shot by BLM employees and contractors.
The Feds even used the impoundment order to establish “First Amendment Zones” limiting freedom of speech in a 600,000-acre area to two small isolated parcels in the desert. …
When Bundy’s son Dave stopped on a state highway to photograph BLM snipers on local hillsides, BLM agents threw him down, ground his face into asphalt and falsely arrested him. …
In response, hundreds of citizens journeyed from all over the country to protest the BLM operation. … As a direct result of the national outcry, the BLM halted their cattle impoundment. …
Federal prosecutors spent tens of millions to build an elaborate criminal case designed to imprison Bundy and his sons and supporters for life. For two years, more than a thousand FBI agents combed through Facebook comments, posed as supporters or journalists, or surfed the internet to concoct a case against the Bundys. …
Meanwhile Bundy’s sons Ammon and Ryan became active in protests … in eastern Oregon. … Again the FBI spent millions in a show of force against the “domestic terrorists.” The entire town of Burns, Oregon … was fortified with razor wire, chain-link fences and concrete barriers. Military hardware rolled through the streets and buzzed overhead. Undercover informants dressed as rednecks in pickups harassed the populace. At a January 26, 2016 roadblock ambush, FBI and Oregon State Police opened fire on Ryan Bundy and shot 54-year-old LaVoy Finicum in the back as he stood surrounded in a roadside snowbank. …
In their zeal to destroy the Bundy “movement,” teams of federal prosecutors launched the most elaborate federal criminal cases in American history. [Defendants] were flown back-and-forth between Oregon and Nevada to face hearings in two, simultaneous criminal cases. Jurors in both jurisdictions were bussed from secret locations every day. … two helicopters followed overhead while defendants were transported … In all, the federal government has likely spent a quarter of a billion dollars reacting to, imprisoning, and prosecuting the Bundys and their fellow protesters.
In October 2016, jurors in Portland acquitted the Oregon defendants in the “trial of the century.” U.S. marshals tackled and tased Ammon Bundy’s attorney in the courtroom. Ammon and Ryan Bundy were denied release and transported to a Nevada prison to face the Nevada indictment …
Then came one of the most disgraceful “trials” in U.S. history. … the judge … barred the defendants from even mentioning most of their possible defenses. (They couldn’t even say that the BLM was overbearing or heavily-armed, or even that there were government snipers above them.) Jurors were treated to a one-sided display of 2014 photos … BLM witnesses—either exaggerating or lying—cried in the courtroom while claiming they saw the defendants pointing rifles at them. Not a single photo or video corroborates this—and there were hundreds of cameras recording almost everything at the time; there were even Nevada trooper dashcams capturing 80 percent of the movements of the defendants during the period. The judge even ordered Eric Parker off the witness stand for saying he looked “up and to the right” during the 2014 “standoff.” Prosecutors strenuously objected that such a statement might tell jurors that there were BLM snipers on a mesa above …
Defense lawyers were so stifled by the judge’s orders that they opted not to even make closing arguments—a gutsy move almost without precedent. It was like a cry for help to the jury. … On August 22, 2017, the jury fully acquitted Stewart and Lovelien, and acquitted Parker and Drexler of most counts. (They hung on a small number of charges for the two men.)
The not-guilty verdicts sent shockwaves throughout the Judiciary and the Justice Department. Here, in the biggest case in the country, with the prosecution spending untold millions of dollars and the judge imposing rules of evidence which almost choked the defense from speaking, the Justice Department was unable to get convictions.
When the “big trial” (involving Cliven, Ryan, Ammon, and Ryan Payne) began in October 2017, defense attorneys demanded to see evidence that had been withheld by the prosecution. There were pictures (but no explanations) of immense piles of shredded documents left by the BLM at the scene … surveillance cameras pointed at the Bundy house in 2014 yet Bundy had never been provided with the footage.
Prosecutors insisted they possessed no such evidence. Even if there was a surveillance camera here or there it hadn’t recorded anything … Ultimately it was revealed that there had been an elaborate FBI surveillance operation which had been concealed from the defense. And it seemed that prosecutors had been coaching witnesses to change their reports …
he very judge who had given prosecutors everything they wished for in the previous two trials—was visibly weary of the DOJ’s barbarous tactics. A mistrial was declared … the Judge granted Ryan Payne’s motion to dismiss. … The judge said further that she was unaware of a more egregious case of FBI misconduct. …
there are currently a half-dozen additional pending motions to dismiss, citing even graver prosecutorial misconduct. It has recently come to light that lead prosecutor Steven Myhre was approached during the first Nevada trial by a government case investigator who informed the prosecutor that he was breaking the law by withholding evidence from the defense. Myhre’s response … was to fire the agent …
In 2013 the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained federal court orders authorizing the agency to “seize and remove to impound” hundreds of Cliven Bundy’s cattle … and descended on the area in April 2014 with some 200 body-armor-wearing agents, semiautomatic weapons, sniper teams, undercover informants, and surveillance cameras aimed at the Bundy residence. …
They brought backhoes, dumptrucks and earth-moving equipment to tear up water lines and other infrastructure … Defying county officials, the federal officers chose calving season—the very time when cows and newborn calves are most physically weak and vulnerable—to execute the court orders. They orchestrated a paramilitarized roundup operation using helicopters to terrify the cattle into stampeding to the point of exhaustion in extreme heat. At least 40 cows either died from the ordeal or were shot by BLM employees and contractors.
The Feds even used the impoundment order to establish “First Amendment Zones” limiting freedom of speech in a 600,000-acre area to two small isolated parcels in the desert. …
When Bundy’s son Dave stopped on a state highway to photograph BLM snipers on local hillsides, BLM agents threw him down, ground his face into asphalt and falsely arrested him. …
In response, hundreds of citizens journeyed from all over the country to protest the BLM operation. … As a direct result of the national outcry, the BLM halted their cattle impoundment. …
Federal prosecutors spent tens of millions to build an elaborate criminal case designed to imprison Bundy and his sons and supporters for life. For two years, more than a thousand FBI agents combed through Facebook comments, posed as supporters or journalists, or surfed the internet to concoct a case against the Bundys. …
Meanwhile Bundy’s sons Ammon and Ryan became active in protests … in eastern Oregon. … Again the FBI spent millions in a show of force against the “domestic terrorists.” The entire town of Burns, Oregon … was fortified with razor wire, chain-link fences and concrete barriers. Military hardware rolled through the streets and buzzed overhead. Undercover informants dressed as rednecks in pickups harassed the populace. At a January 26, 2016 roadblock ambush, FBI and Oregon State Police opened fire on Ryan Bundy and shot 54-year-old LaVoy Finicum in the back as he stood surrounded in a roadside snowbank. …
In their zeal to destroy the Bundy “movement,” teams of federal prosecutors launched the most elaborate federal criminal cases in American history. [Defendants] were flown back-and-forth between Oregon and Nevada to face hearings in two, simultaneous criminal cases. Jurors in both jurisdictions were bussed from secret locations every day. … two helicopters followed overhead while defendants were transported … In all, the federal government has likely spent a quarter of a billion dollars reacting to, imprisoning, and prosecuting the Bundys and their fellow protesters.
In October 2016, jurors in Portland acquitted the Oregon defendants in the “trial of the century.” U.S. marshals tackled and tased Ammon Bundy’s attorney in the courtroom. Ammon and Ryan Bundy were denied release and transported to a Nevada prison to face the Nevada indictment …
Then came one of the most disgraceful “trials” in U.S. history. … the judge … barred the defendants from even mentioning most of their possible defenses. (They couldn’t even say that the BLM was overbearing or heavily-armed, or even that there were government snipers above them.) Jurors were treated to a one-sided display of 2014 photos … BLM witnesses—either exaggerating or lying—cried in the courtroom while claiming they saw the defendants pointing rifles at them. Not a single photo or video corroborates this—and there were hundreds of cameras recording almost everything at the time; there were even Nevada trooper dashcams capturing 80 percent of the movements of the defendants during the period. The judge even ordered Eric Parker off the witness stand for saying he looked “up and to the right” during the 2014 “standoff.” Prosecutors strenuously objected that such a statement might tell jurors that there were BLM snipers on a mesa above …
Defense lawyers were so stifled by the judge’s orders that they opted not to even make closing arguments—a gutsy move almost without precedent. It was like a cry for help to the jury. … On August 22, 2017, the jury fully acquitted Stewart and Lovelien, and acquitted Parker and Drexler of most counts. (They hung on a small number of charges for the two men.)
The not-guilty verdicts sent shockwaves throughout the Judiciary and the Justice Department. Here, in the biggest case in the country, with the prosecution spending untold millions of dollars and the judge imposing rules of evidence which almost choked the defense from speaking, the Justice Department was unable to get convictions.
When the “big trial” (involving Cliven, Ryan, Ammon, and Ryan Payne) began in October 2017, defense attorneys demanded to see evidence that had been withheld by the prosecution. There were pictures (but no explanations) of immense piles of shredded documents left by the BLM at the scene … surveillance cameras pointed at the Bundy house in 2014 yet Bundy had never been provided with the footage.
Prosecutors insisted they possessed no such evidence. Even if there was a surveillance camera here or there it hadn’t recorded anything … Ultimately it was revealed that there had been an elaborate FBI surveillance operation which had been concealed from the defense. And it seemed that prosecutors had been coaching witnesses to change their reports …
he very judge who had given prosecutors everything they wished for in the previous two trials—was visibly weary of the DOJ’s barbarous tactics. A mistrial was declared … the Judge granted Ryan Payne’s motion to dismiss. … The judge said further that she was unaware of a more egregious case of FBI misconduct. …
there are currently a half-dozen additional pending motions to dismiss, citing even graver prosecutorial misconduct. It has recently come to light that lead prosecutor Steven Myhre was approached during the first Nevada trial by a government case investigator who informed the prosecutor that he was breaking the law by withholding evidence from the defense. Myhre’s response … was to fire the agent …
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