Bundy Saga Thickens: Ryan Payne Smoked Out --- Not a Ranger!!
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pcosmar
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Can someone show me where the man has ever said he was or is a "Ranger",, Other that his militia unit..
Any video that he says any such thing?
and yes,,I did read the description,, and all it says is that he was in an Infantry unit.
Where does he say he went to Ranger training,,or graduated from Ranger training.. or say that he is a "Ranger".?? aside from his militia unit (self named) ", the West Mountain Rangers, 41st Mountain Field Force".
anyone?
Any video that he says any such thing?
and yes,,I did read the description,, and all it says is that he was in an Infantry unit.
Also true,, that is history of the unit. But it is an Infantry unit.
Where does he say he went to Ranger training,,or graduated from Ranger training.. or say that he is a "Ranger".?? aside from his militia unit (self named) ", the West Mountain Rangers, 41st Mountain Field Force".
anyone?
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Or maybe you got a serious man love obsession going on? Way to pick and choose what words of his you want to quote.
I enlisted in the US Army at the age of 17, and served in F-Co, 51st Infantry, the 18th Airborne Corps Long Range Surveillance Company, a Ranger unit developed during Vietnam as Long Range Patrol, used for missions deep inside enemy controlled territory. I was involved in the initial invasion of Iraq, OIF I, and returned at the end of 2004 for OIF III. I was discharged as a Sergeant/E5, Assistant Team Leader of a LRS Team in 2006. My team planned and executed numerous combat missions in theater, usually at great distance from friendly support. I am not highly decorated nor was I an exceptional member of the unit, but I did the best job I could, and have attempted to hold myself to the Ranger Creed,
This guy is an arm chair Rambo. Or do you want to say they take 11Bs, and make them team leaders of SOG recon groups?
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Ryan Payne is not in that room.
I have seen several videos of Ryan Payne and have not heard him say he is a ranger.. and the history he gave, (on Operation Mutual Aid Website) does not make the claim that he is a Ranger,,
So this is a Straw man argument that is being attacked.
This all started with this post..
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/04/a-personal-message-to-agent-provocateur.html
But Ryan Payne has never (to my knowledge) claimed to be a "Ranger" other than with the West Mountain Rangers.(militia)
it is a strawman argument.
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See post above ^^^^.
YOU were not there yet you want to defend him regardless of your knowledge of what transpired. What he has or has not said in the presence of others. Others being plural. More than one mentioning the same. As Intoxiclown has noted that write-up that he did alludes to him claiming Ranger status. Defend it every way till Sunday. THAT is how it reads and from that, and his ego, I have no doubt that he would try to pass himself off as one.
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Apparently you can read.. Can you comprehend.?
He said he was in F-Co, 51st Infantry. Then there is (,) a comma.. and he goes on to describe,,,"the 18th Airborne Corps Long Range Surveillance Company, a Ranger unit developed during Vietnam as Long Range Patrol, used for missions deep inside enemy controlled territory."
And it was Long ago.. That is history of the unit.. But it is an Infantry unit. Not Ranger. He belonged to an Infantry Unit.. a Recon unit.
If you look up the unit,, and I had posted just such unit history,, you could see this for yourself.
He claims to have served in F-Co, 51st Infantry. He does not make any claim of being a Ranger.
That claim is made by someone else.
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No it does not. The unit was a ranger unit (a rather famous one) in Vietnam. But the Ranger unit (LRRP)was DEACTIVATED in 1968. The unit was re-activated in 1986.. as an infantry unit. Infantry still does Recon..just not as rangers..
It was a ranger unit in Vietnam.. but that was the only time it was a ranger unit. and he is far too young for Vietnam.
He never said he was a Ranger.. Mike V said he claimed to be a ranger,, but I have not seen that claim from Payne himself.
Mike V just got butthurt because he wouldn't answer his questions,,
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Mike V. and TWO other Oath Keepers. WHY wouldn't he answer Mike V.' questions? Or the other two? A simple claim of "I was never a Ranger" should suffice. YOU don't know that he never said he was a Ranger. Three others confirm it. Shitf*ck, dude, if you would take a step back and quit taking sides perhaps you could reason it out. As it is you've chosen your side and nothing else ANYONE says is gonna sway your opinion.
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I know Rhodes, personally. I know the accusations are bullshit. There is only one person on RPFs who cannot see that. I can promise you that it is not 'everybody else' that's wrong.
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Yup. Even Mike V. stated that he hasn't seen eye-to-eye with Stewart on occasion but he clearly could see through the charade that Payne was constructing.
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Why do you think he mentions the history of the unit at a time he was not assigned to it and was not the mission of the unit at the time he was assigned to it? It is clear that he is trying to imply that he is Ranger qualified, and especially willing to accept the claim will be those who are not vets, while being able to explain to the vets why he failed a Ranger tab check, because he never claimed to be a Ranger.
Typical militia poser, Type II (vet who implies more experience than he has).
Ranger Creed my ass.
[h=1]RANGER CREED[/h] R ecognizing that I volunteered as a ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my ranger regiment.
A cknowledging the fact that a ranger is a more elite soldier, who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a ranger, my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other soldier.
N ever shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight, and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it may be, one hundred percent and then some.
G allantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
E nergetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
R eadily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
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Your assessment really predicates on the fundamental assumptions under which one acts and, therefore, their goals. If one is afeared of what people will think if the truth be told and the support of <insert entity here> is more important than truth, then I would agree. But if truth and truthfulness and personal integrity are more important, then I would have to assess your assessment as flawed.
In this case it appears the choice lies between pragmatism and principle. Bundy chose principle, apparently come what may. I cannot fault him for that. On top of all that, the media showed themselves for the varlets they tend to be by deceitfully editing his comments selectively so as to paint a very misleading picture of the man. People too lazy, stupid, stoopid, or corrupt to seek out the truth are not worth trying to bring to the truth in any case.
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At least Napoleon, in his career, made stops at intermediate ranks along the way.
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Well, I have no clue what went on or what is going on regarding the whole Bundy affair. What I see, however, is a lot of contradictory claims and statements that make my hair want to stand up straight.
Firstly, there is the discord of this thread - no idea whom to believe, and at this point that is not my concern, which is that there is such widely varying perception and opinion of who is telling the truth and who is not, who is good and who is not. Just look at it - division - and that is a serious problem.
And what in hell am I to make of the statements made by Rhodes and his buddy on the right about militia members threatening to kill other militia members? Jesus... am I the only one whose hair stands tall at hearing such things? If true, it underscores precisely why I believe freedom is almost certainly doomed in America - we can't have shit like that if we are attempting to preserve a nation the size of America from the predations of an endlessly coherent, experienced, well funded, and well trained entity. If false, my hair still stands like ten thousand little hard-ons atop my head because either there is dishonesty at work or perceptions are dangerously out of wack with reality.
None of this bodes well for the ostensible goal of saving America.
And seriously - a drone strike? I believe almost anything attributed to Themme... but this? Someone help me here - I'm serious - because my congitive dissonance is just wreaking havoc with me at the moment. I cannot for the life of me see how Theye could assess such a strike as being advantageous to the hand they are holding in the more general strategic situation of running America (into the ground, even). Am I to believe these people are that impossibly stupid that they would not see the potential for backfire in such a move? Perhaps I am just a fool, giving either too much credit to Themme or the American people? Seriously folks, I could really use some help here because this shit is disturbing to the point of near-fright.
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This silliness on site is why i conclude there was inadequate leadership present. (A) Disinformation works like a charm - you can be sure that a substantial percentage will fall for it (B) Accusations of "treason" when treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution - 150 years ago, violating the oath to the Constitution was considered perjury, and as a felony works for me (C) threats of violence against people who are supposed to be on your side indicates leadership failure - maybe we need to bring back floggings, too (D) the rugby scrum to be king of the hill and Commandante El Supremo of the militia is laughable - the thing about conflict is that the competent leaders rise to the occasion, and just about everybody around can see who the competent leaders are - the one who keep people alive and get the job done.
