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Britain Threatens Argentina with WAR over Falkan Islands
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argentinians and brits can do what they want. lets just stay out of it. whats the worse that can happen?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet
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The UK fought Argentina all on their own in 1982. They were pushed off the island and then retook it. It was an amazingly successful military campaign. Funny thing was they were able to take the Falkland Islands back with HMS Hermes which was to be decommissioned shortly before the war.
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The US, France and other nations provided support.
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Are there really people that want to remain British?
In any case, it takes a lot of courage to get out of the kitchen and dispute territory like that, even if she is completely wrong. Good for her.
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There will be no war.
The Falklands in 2013 are far more heavily and closely guarded by the British military than they were 31 years ago. In contrast Argentina is far weaker militarily than it was at the time. The technological gap between both countries has widened greatly since then.
Argentina's military has no power projection capabilities. They probably wouldn't win a war against Uruguay, whose population is less than 4 million. 30 years+ of technological advances have blessed Great Britain with satellite capabilities that would spot Argentine forces massing very much in advance. Argentina would not have the element of surprise it had in 1982.
Moreover, the Argentine economy is struggling yet again. Cristina Kirchner is a corrupt leftist and statist who is using state power as her predecessors did to plunder the nation's resources for her and her cronies' gain. You liberty lovers hate capital controls, eh? Well, Argentine banks now obligate Argentine citizens who travel abroad and use their credit cards in other nations to pay a percentage on all their transactions. And, the quantity of pesos they can exchange for USD is very limited. Yes, we who love sound money and follow Austrian economics know the USD is just a piece of paper, but in the Third World, the USD is still very much seen as a safe haven. Even in other nations in that area, like Brazil, whose economy is light-years ahead of Argentina's, wealthier Brazilians whose lifestyles are superior to the standards of living of many Americans often exchange their local currency holdings into USD. The Argentine people, barring the elite, are not doing all that well. Unemployment is high, and Kirchner and her government are widely disliked.
For her to launch an attempt to retake islands whose inhabitants are culturally, historically, and even racially British and who wish to remain an overseas British territory would be foolhardy, counterproductive, expensive, and it would earn her republiqueta of a country international scorn, even more than it did when her predecessors attacked. Outside of South America and perhaps Spain, the Argentine claim has no foreign support, and even if every country on Earth including the United States supported Argentina's sovereignty claim, Britain would never relinquish the islands, whether by negotiation or by force. The Brits are a proud people; they shed blood, spent money, and lost pilots, seamen, and ships while fighting Argentina in 1982. They would do it again - for pride, but also, because they firmly believe (and with very much just cause and historical claims) that the islands are legally and rightfully British.
Argentina will NEVER attack, and Argentina's flag will never fly over those small islands.
Nothing to see here. Move on now.
The Falklands in 2013 are far more heavily and closely guarded by the British military than they were 31 years ago. In contrast Argentina is far weaker militarily than it was at the time. The technological gap between both countries has widened greatly since then.
Argentina's military has no power projection capabilities. They probably wouldn't win a war against Uruguay, whose population is less than 4 million. 30 years+ of technological advances have blessed Great Britain with satellite capabilities that would spot Argentine forces massing very much in advance. Argentina would not have the element of surprise it had in 1982.
Moreover, the Argentine economy is struggling yet again. Cristina Kirchner is a corrupt leftist and statist who is using state power as her predecessors did to plunder the nation's resources for her and her cronies' gain. You liberty lovers hate capital controls, eh? Well, Argentine banks now obligate Argentine citizens who travel abroad and use their credit cards in other nations to pay a percentage on all their transactions. And, the quantity of pesos they can exchange for USD is very limited. Yes, we who love sound money and follow Austrian economics know the USD is just a piece of paper, but in the Third World, the USD is still very much seen as a safe haven. Even in other nations in that area, like Brazil, whose economy is light-years ahead of Argentina's, wealthier Brazilians whose lifestyles are superior to the standards of living of many Americans often exchange their local currency holdings into USD. The Argentine people, barring the elite, are not doing all that well. Unemployment is high, and Kirchner and her government are widely disliked.
For her to launch an attempt to retake islands whose inhabitants are culturally, historically, and even racially British and who wish to remain an overseas British territory would be foolhardy, counterproductive, expensive, and it would earn her republiqueta of a country international scorn, even more than it did when her predecessors attacked. Outside of South America and perhaps Spain, the Argentine claim has no foreign support, and even if every country on Earth including the United States supported Argentina's sovereignty claim, Britain would never relinquish the islands, whether by negotiation or by force. The Brits are a proud people; they shed blood, spent money, and lost pilots, seamen, and ships while fighting Argentina in 1982. They would do it again - for pride, but also, because they firmly believe (and with very much just cause and historical claims) that the islands are legally and rightfully British.
Argentina will NEVER attack, and Argentina's flag will never fly over those small islands.
Nothing to see here. Move on now.
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There's a similar thing with Gibraltar. The Spainish claim it but "The Rock" is firmly British.
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I think a better comparison would be if Spain suddenly threaten a claim Puerto Rico via force, when a plurality of Puerto Ricans just voiced their approval for US Statehood.
You don't think **** would hit the fan really fast then. Hard even for a libertarian to not justify that war.
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The MIC, our foreign policy, etc. aside, I'd LOVE to see Canada try this.
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I think it would be simple enough to let the people who live on the Falkland Is. decide what they want to be. Someone mentioned Gibraltar and that's pretty much the same issue. Even if Argentina was successful in taking the Falklands (not likely), they'd still have to contend with an unhappy and possibly unruly population with closer ties to Britain.
Whether the British or the Argentinian governments want to lay claim to the Falklands is really irrelevant. It's really what the people on the islands want, which is important.
Whether the British or the Argentinian governments want to lay claim to the Falklands is really irrelevant. It's really what the people on the islands want, which is important.
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lets look at the IRA vs. Northern Ireland.
It's British Imperialism-Colonialism... which is done through conquest, strength, and force.
It is ALWAYS 'The Haves' compared to the weak 'Have Nots'. British power rule and migration to swing the majority to the conquerers favor.
British Protestants is Northern Ireland, British Protestants to the Flakland Islands...
Just like what the Jews have done in Israel. Notice they provide free fertility drugs to Jewish people only within the state. There's a little bit most people don't realize about USAID package to Israel. Allocated deep in the text is funding to migrate Jews back to Israel. The US aka US Taxpayers spends $50 Million a year, providing funds to migrate Jews to Israel to keep the majority race in place. They don't want a minority Apartheid on their hands in the State of Israel in the future.
Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland.
Las Malvinas belongs to Argentina
All of Palestine lands belongs back with the poor Palestinians, not a bunch racketeering globalist bankster's politicians, paid-off to give a specific connected group someone else land and given the green light to persecute the inferior poor that live there.
It's ALWAYS 'The Haves' taking from the 'Have Nots'.
It's British Imperialism-Colonialism... which is done through conquest, strength, and force.
It is ALWAYS 'The Haves' compared to the weak 'Have Nots'. British power rule and migration to swing the majority to the conquerers favor.
British Protestants is Northern Ireland, British Protestants to the Flakland Islands...
Just like what the Jews have done in Israel. Notice they provide free fertility drugs to Jewish people only within the state. There's a little bit most people don't realize about USAID package to Israel. Allocated deep in the text is funding to migrate Jews back to Israel. The US aka US Taxpayers spends $50 Million a year, providing funds to migrate Jews to Israel to keep the majority race in place. They don't want a minority Apartheid on their hands in the State of Israel in the future.
Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland.
Las Malvinas belongs to Argentina
All of Palestine lands belongs back with the poor Palestinians, not a bunch racketeering globalist bankster's politicians, paid-off to give a specific connected group someone else land and given the green light to persecute the inferior poor that live there.
It's ALWAYS 'The Haves' taking from the 'Have Nots'.
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Exactly - what would Ron Paul do if he was Pres?
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It was pathetic the first time they fought... the best the British could muster were those crappy sea Harriers... the 1980's equivalent of a wet noodle.
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Argentina > UK
Are they going to fight this war with guns or do they plan on using baseball bats and knifes? I bet they use guns and lots of them. And of course bombs, missiles, torpedoes, maybe even a nuclear submarine. Heck, weapons are only for the nations don't you know, not you little guys we call "citizens," or more correctly labeled "peasants!" hahahaha! No weapons for your average Brit are allowed, but plenty of them for the elites' sake.
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