BREAKING: US Launches Tomahawks Into Syria

[Origanalist]

Well that power doesn't exist in a vacuum now does it? I agree if no one voted, there would be a huge power vacuum. I suppose that means that power would just vanish.

No, it wouldn't vanish. You would get the amount you're entitled to and they would lose the power they aren't entitled to.

 

[nikcers]

No it wasn't. No one made any such "point."



No one said that "this proves we should've voted for her."

Except for ghengis86, no one even mentioned Hillary until you replied to CaptUSA's accusation that "you wanted this $#@!" by saying "It's not like Hillary wouldn't have done this."

Hillary no longer has anything to do with anything, and she hasn't since she lost the election.

So I repeat: why do you and others persist in going on about what Hillary would have done (except in order to deflect criticism away from Trump)?

You know what no one is saying Gary Johnson would of done this. Mother fucker was so high he doesn't even know where Syria is.

 

[misterx]

No it wasn't. No one made any such "point."



No one said that "this proves we should've voted for her."

Except for ghengis86, no one even mentioned Hillary until you replied to CaptUSA's accusation that "you wanted this $#@!" by saying "It's not like Hillary wouldn't have done this."

Hillary no longer has anything to do with anything, and she hasn't since she lost the election.

So I repeat: why do you and others persist in going on about what Hillary would have done (except in order to deflect criticism away from Trump)?

The implication of CaptUSA's post was that by voting for Trump I wanted war. Not true, we were going to have war no matter what. We didn't get a vote on that. I voted for immigration reform and a conservative supreme court justice, among other domestic reforms.

 

[nikcers]

No, it wouldn't vanish. You would get the amount you're entitled to and they would lose the power they aren't entitled to.

Don't take away my gubmint cheese.

 

[Jan2017]

If Trump and advisors are correct - in that hitting this base (with Russian barracks) will prevent
future nerve gas attacks from Syria,
then that gas is now released after being hit and I'd expect to be waking up to Russian casualties from exposure.
Also so, (flippantly) "then the Russians are complicit in nerve gas attacks" - Marco Rubio, Thursday night

That would be the "gooder news"

Rather I think, it is gonna be that there was no nerve gas stored there for future attacks and Massie was right,
in that the nerve gas that killed civilians including babies, 48 hours ago was released when Syrian jet bombers
bombed an ammo depot in an obscure city, and that is where sarin nerve gas was stored and destroyed
but got released killing civilians.

No consulation if Massie's plausible explanation turns out right either.

A lose-lose move for Trump - for not thinking this through, with Russian casualties (?)

 

[jmdrake]

Congress matters when they make a new law. The person who voted no when the law was passed didn't matter for that law. Unless they made sure to get the stuff they wanted in it before voting no so they could say they opposed it. That happened, that's when Ron Paul mattered while he was in Congress. That was the decisions he made that had consequences, actual outcomes. How you get "congress doesn't matter" out of what I said is just some ignoring what I said I guess.

Decisions matter whether you get the desired outcome or not. And not all decisions a president makes have a desired outcome. Trump tried to get RyanCare passed. (Glad he failed). Really at this point you're not making a point. Everything you cited as a mistake Ron Paul made had no real effect on the country. Now you've admitted that Ron Paul made decisions in congress that mattered. (You were worrying me for a second. ) So he made some good decisions that mattered, he made some decisions that you think don't matter (I disagree because sometimes a "no" vote has persuasive authority on someone else for the next go round), and all of the mistakes you cite have no bearing on the country.

That's fine, you regret your votes. That's your personal feeling and you had your reasons. Tonight, Trump dropped bombs. I already said I don't support it. It also doesn't make me feel regret for voting for him.

Fine. You don't.

This is clearly a moral dilemma that folks here are trying to cast on Trump voters.

I honestly couldn't give a rats ass about Trump voters. I am bothered by those who over the past few months have viciously attacked others on this forum, me included, for daring to criticize Trump. To be fair I haven't seen you do that. I am also bothered, to a lesser degree, by the Obamabot like mental gymnastics I have seen from Trump supporters. "Oh he's attacking the Freedom Caucus in order to get rid of Paul Ryan! Oh it's really Rinse Prebutt who has temporarily taken over Trump's twitter account." That's gotten old. Again I haven't seen you do that.

 

[Origanalist]

Don't take away my gubmint cheese.

Try some of this;

You have to pay for it, but it's a hell of a lot better.

 

[newbitech]

No, it wouldn't vanish. You would get the amount you're entitled to and they would lose the power they aren't entitled to.

I am fairly certain that power is not something that is equally distributed among human beings. I am also fairly certain that individual power is going to fluctuate depending on circumstances and relationships between people.

In the context of voting, I am attempting to influence the direction of a much larger source of power. If no one attempted to do this, that larger source of power would still exist. It almost seems pointless to try and exert any influence since the power of an individual anonymous vote is infinitesimal compared to just the power of me deciding where I might shop for groceries. Bordering on almost non existent when considering how that vote might influence the massive social structures in a country of 300 million where that country is also dealing with external influence of a world of 10 billion.

Yet, that act, no matter how small and insignificant as it may seem doesn't give or take any power from anyone. It only expresses an individual will. It's a token reminder that as an individual, I have power that may influence another. Regardless if it does or does not it's still an expression that cannot simply be ignored. I am going to vote one way or another. So will you.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[rpfocus]

 

[jmdrake]

Hillary would have bombed everything, AND have sex with a baby.

LOL

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Trump has done what Obama was prevented from doing.

 

[Occam's Banana]

man I wish i could feel moral relief solely based on who i voted for..

I do. It's easy. I didn't vote for anyone.

Aaaaand, this is but one good example why that is a good policy.

I'm sure if everyone had this policy we'd all be angels.

Right. Because we're all angels with the policy everyone has now ...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Well, isn't this special? Promoted to front page. The neocons have scored their greatest victory since they pulled George W. Bush's strings. New puppet, same masters.

 

[Pizzo]

Try some of this;

You have to pay for it, but it's a hell of a lot better.

Dynamite stuff.

 

[nikcers]

Trump has done what Obama was prevented from doing.

Trump's son says he decided to run because of the Iran agreement. He will do everything the neocons tried to get Obama to do. I don't think Russia will sit back while we put Assads head on a pike, but I might be wrong.

 

[twomp]

Trump's son says he decided to run because of the Iran agreement. He will do everything the neocons tried to get Obama to do. I don't think Russia will sit back while we put Assads head on a pike, but I might be wrong.

I don't think they Russians will sit back either because this whole thing doesn't end with Assad's head on a pike. It ends with Putin's head on a spike.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

New strategy, I suppose. They ain't waiting around for people to get their wits about them.

Trump strategy code name: Craziest Motherfucker.

 

[newbitech]

Decisions matter whether you get the desired outcome or not. And not all decisions a president makes have a desired outcome. Trump tried to get RyanCare passed. (Glad he failed). Really at this point you're not making a point. Everything you cited as a mistake Ron Paul made had no real effect on the country. Now you've admitted that Ron Paul made decisions in congress that mattered. (You were worrying me for a second. ) So he made some good decisions that mattered, he made some decisions that you think don't matter (I disagree because sometimes a "no" vote has persuasive authority on someone else for the next go round), and all of the mistakes you cite have no bearing on the country.



Fine. You don't.



I honestly couldn't give a rats ass about Trump voters. I am bothered by those who over the past few months have viciously attacked others on this forum, me included, for daring to criticize Trump. To be fair I haven't seen you do that. I am also bothered, to a lesser degree, by the Obamabot like mental gymnastics I have seen from Trump supporters. "Oh he's attacking the Freedom Caucus in order to get rid of Paul Ryan! Oh it's really Rinse Prebutt who has temporarily taken over Trump's twitter account." That's gotten old. Again I haven't seen you do that.

Sounds like this board is full of disharmony which is why I rarely drop in and participate. Which is also why you don't see me doing any of those things you mentioned. I am not here to accuse anyone. I am here for the same reason I was here when I made my first post.

Also, I'd just like to say, it does seem like you are telling me that when Ron Paul makes a mistake (any mistake) it doesn't have an impact on the country. Yet when Ron Paul does anything right (regardless if it's a political decision of consequence) it impacts the country profoundly!

That's like the exact opposite of what I am saying. Maybe you aren't trying to say that and of course you are defending Ron Paul. I think you should as I have. But I am also not trying to attack him either. My whole point was that I've grown past being regretful of a vote. I regretted voting for Bush after 9/11 not because of what became of it. Not because of the bullshit that he started in the ME or the fucked up police state he gave us. I regretted it because I wanted him to go kill people in my name. Hell I was ready to join the killing. I regret that vote to this day because I knew it was wrong to retaliate without knowing the truth, but I didn't give a fuck. I wanted revenge for something I had no idea why happened. When I woke up one day playing video games while watching the embedded war coverage of desert storm I hit me hard. People are dying on TV and it's not a game. I asked for it, and there it is right in front of me. Slaughter. Not a game. My decision was immoral, I am sorry I wish I could take it back and certainly need to know why I acted that way. I had to find out why this was happening.

Here I am. I know why now. I know why I vote. I calculate it. I weigh it out and I make a moral conscious decision. It wasn't easy, but this is what my conscious told me was the right thing to do. Vote for Trump. It's the best way to express myself politically this time around.

 

[newbitech]

Right. Because we're all angels with the policy everyone has now ...

There are no angels